On Sun, 1 May 2016 12:12:09 +0930 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said: > > > On 05/01/2016 10:47 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:26:16 +0200 Davide Andreoli <d...@gurumeditation.it> > > said: > > > >> 2016-04-30 19:30 GMT+02:00 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Yes, all that is in place, there are APIs and E calls them if you're > >>> running efl 1.18. > >>> The problem I'm trying to figure is how can an E dialogue say "use elm > >>> icons for apps" as it only applies to a subset of apps. > >>> > >> > >> Maybe this can help: the new icons I'm going to put in elm will also be > >> available > >> as a "normal" fdo icons theme. With the idea that non elm apps can use the > >> same > >> icons as the elm ones > > > > that's only doable for icons hat are just single images. if you look at > > things like efm's icons for files, they are not. they are full edje designs > > with multilpe components. i know these are not the elm icon variety but > > they are AN icon and a good sample of when this falls over. > > > > the reason to do edje for icon is this reason AND that we can animate and > > have icons react to events (signals) which make them massively more useful > > than fdo icons. you can tell them to go look disabled or active/normal, or > > so much more. :) > > When i'm referencing the FDO theme, i'm talking about a separate FDO > theme that uses icons from the elm theme (Yes this may involve squashing > some elm icons). The point of this icon theme is so that gtk/Qt apps can > use the same icon theme as the elm icon theme elm apps would continue to > use the existing elm theme. Someone might come up with a way to color > gtk/Qt apps in the same way as the efl theme and also want there icons > to match. This is similar to the concept in the "GTK Applications" tab > which has a checkbox for "Match Enlightenment theme if possible"
then you need some magic tool + script that can extract not just single images into an fdo theme but also render the complex ones into single images. > Dave rasied the point on IRC that his FDO theme won't contain > application icons for the ibar etc, but that should be fine as if > distro's are following the FDO spec correctly each application will have > atleast one icon stored in the hicolor icon theme or in > /usr/share/pixmaps which e correctly falls back to. yeah. i don't expect this theme to do app icons at all. it's kind of an endless problem. there's always a new app that an existing theme can't cover. it's forever growing. (app icons that is). :) > >>> Following a suggestion I've updated the elm_config to list fdo sets > >>> alongside an alternative "use icons from elementary theme" checkbox - they > >>> are mutually exclusive. > >>> Is the only sensible option then to have another checkbox in the E icon > >>> settings that similarly applies this value? If so its going to get mighty > >>> unintuitive I think... > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Andy > >>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 at 12:56, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 23:55:45 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me > >>>> > >>>> said: > >>>> > >>>>> So I've updated elm to offer a user choice to use an fdo theme from the > >>>>> list installed - or to use the built in elm icons. This is in > >>> elm_config. > >>>>> I hooked in E the ability to set this if the user selects an fdo theme > >>>> and > >>>>> "apply to apps" is set. So far so good. > >>>>> What I'm not sure about is the condition where users sets an fdo theme > >>>> for > >>>>> apps but really wants to use elm icons for any e apps... > >>>>> This conflicts with what E can set, so I'm hesitating from forcing e > >>>>> configuration on elm. > >>>>> > >>>>> Question: is it even sensible to allow the user to do this? Can we > >>> assume > >>>>> that anyone in E cannot use the elm icon set if they have specified an > >>>> fdo > >>>>> theme as their icon source for apps? Should the elm icon theme option > >>> be > >>>>> hidden if you're running in e? > >>>>> Then more complications of what if they have different desktop envs... > >>>> > >>>> the above seems sensible. it only applies to e apps anyway, so either use > >>>> configured fdo icon theme or the elm theme icons. setting what fdo theme > >>>> to use > >>>> is kind of necessary too as otherwise we have to do xsettings and then > >>>> what in > >>>> wayland? we could support an env var too... > >>>> > >>>> anyway it's kind of a necessity to be able to select fdo or elm theme and > >>>> then > >>>> select what the fd theme is > >>>> > >>>>> My thoughts are to either: > >>>>> 1) leave it as is and allow users to set up the complex configuration > >>>> above > >>>>> 2) force e's icon selection on elm if "use for apps" is chosen in e's > >>>>> config. > >>>> > >>>> e can just swizzle elm's config. elm api's for that. :) > >>>> > >>>>> Mostly I like 2 because it is a better first use experience for users > >>> of > >>>> E > >>>>> as they probably don't want elm icons by default (but we technically > >>> use > >>>> it > >>>>> as the default so that outside of e (Tizen etc)) it works as previously > >>>>> agreed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry for the brain dump, > >>>>> Andy > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications > >>>> Manager > >>>>> Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple > >>>> tiers of > >>>>> your business applications. 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