On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:40:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
*blah blah - lots of emails - reply to all* i set up track for project timeline/status/completion tracking - ti deos things bugzilla doesn't. 1. it doesn't piss me off so much that i might actually use it. 2. it is not meant to replace bugzilla 3. this is the age of the internet - put in links to buzilla items if they are relevant on a TODO 4. it was intended for handling the TODO file in e. people still ask "what is there to do? how can i help? what's the status?". trac provides a roadmap with a nice nice nice nice summary per project - items to do, items done. a percentage bar. it's simple. 5. i don't intend to use trac for svn. it's just hanging about 6. the wiki is only there for documenting the todo items and providing some central hook to get to them all - nothing else. trac's wiki is too limited for much moe 7. did i mention - this is the a web page. we can use things like links back to the "real' wiki etc.? 8. bugzilla may be working for ewl - great! fantastic! keep using it. it isn't working for me for e - and the TODO file has been in cvs and still is there and is only being updated there. i waned to move it more into a public space. trac seemed to fit the bill. i set it up. 9. bugzilla annoys me to hell - every time i do use it it encouages me to run away and spend as long as possible away from it until i get back. just somehtng simple like "list all bugs open for E17" or just "all bugs open" i can't do. i select "open" and "17" in bugs search but then i need to put in words - i dont wan to search. i want a LIST. come on bugzilla. how hard is it to just list the bugs! so instead i have to spend time int he advanced search fiddling with a bunch of things to create a saved search simply to list the bugs... sure then i can go create a bunch - go share them.... and people can track progress based on how long the list of bugs are for some saved search they have to go find and select. it just annoys me that the simpl things have to be so complex. providing a simple public status and a simple like like: top priority: * do a * create b * fix c nice to have: * do x * delete y * re-color z etc. doesn't exist with bugzilla. bugzilla also looks ugly :( filing a bug (or for a simple task/todo item) is quite an exercise in filling out forms. there is no ability to do any nice formatting (text only - though i don't mind much, trac does handle this nicely) etc. etc. if you want to use bugzilla as a way of putting down a request or todo item then using bugzilla to also discuss and refine it - draw nice diagrams, tables, etc. etc. it will get ugly. trac seems to lend itself to this much better. as i said - do NOT STOP USING BUGZILLA. i want to use trac for tracking TODO items for E - they are NOT being tracked in bugzilla. i want to have the TODO list for e much more visible. let people directly comment on it and maybe provide ideas or shortcuts etc. some TODO items are very fuzzy and need more solidification. trac seems to be a good tool for that. > On Nov 15, 2007 5:40 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I set up Trac: > > > > http://trac.enlightenment.org/e > > > > As per the news: > > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=6 > > > > it's intended for project tracking. tracking our TODO items, etc. etc. it > > seems it's only me that likes TODO in CVS. no one else except a few core > > devs even knows its there. so i am thinking that we use trac to put up the > > TODO items and file tickets for them - then we can track what is to be > > done, even have discussions on each item - draw up wiki-like documents on > > them, find out who is doing them etc. etc. > > > > it even provides a NICE wishlist system. it's friendlier than bugzilla, but > > not as powerful. > > > Ok, I really like trac, but keeping both doesn't solve the previous > problem of people not using bugzilla, instead it create another point > of replication. > > I also like bugzilla completeness, but unless we'll create > hierarchical bug dependencies, it doesn't worth the pain. > > So, let's try to eliminate one? > > Pro-Trac: it's simpler and provides wiki and scm view (I know git and > svn works, but does cvs?) > Pro-Bugzilla: it's complete, you can have hierarchical bugs and with > that have todo lists. > > I rather keep the bugzilla + mediawiki instead of going Trac. Maybe > someone could customize bugzilla's UI? > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > -------------------------------------- > Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ#: 17249123 > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
