It would appear that on Feb 12, Kim Woelders did say:
> You can disable the menu "pointer warp" in the Menu Settings dialog.
>
> >> Trough the bindings file, you can have your menu at-a-key; I don't see
> >> how you could pre-define where it would pop though...
> >
> As is the menu pop-up position is determined by the pointer position
> (and the "Always pop up menus on screen" setting).
Thank you Kim. disabling "warp" helps... The menu on screen setting
winds up with my menus sometimes not being visible and therefore is
not suitable for my needs...
Still If I can just remember to sling my mouse pointer towards the
upper left corner of my screen before tapping out a keyboard shortcut
then disabling warp will work for me...
There is another small thing I'm hoping you could give me a clue
about... "Buttons" and such config screens and some pop-ups...
Is there any way to select them with the keyboard???
Most of these don't bother me too much in e16 as they are large
enough, and I don't use them often enough for my issues with mouse
activities to become an actual "problem" But I would dearly love to
be able to tab my way to the column of buttons in the "Enlightenment
Settings" pop-up, arrow down to the particular category {such as the
"Menus" button} select it with enter, Then tab my way to the list of
options and then arrow down to the "warp pointer" choice, then check
or uncheck it with the enter key. and finally tab my to the apply
button...
Heck even if only the tab worked and it went through all the choices,
I could select "Menu Settings" from the settings menu and tab my way
to the "warp pointer" choice...
This is going to be a bigger problem for me when I wind up with e17
however. ( At least if the version of it I got for my OpenSuSE install
via an "dmitry_serpokryl" repository on ftp5.gwdg.de is any
indication.
It looks like I'll like some things about e17 But it's got me worried.
I mean I "LIKED" kde3, but kde4 makes me queasy... Sooner or later e17
will be THE stable E and the various linux repos/package management
systems will want me to dump e16...
On e17 I can't even use the keyboard to accept the logout confirmation
pop-up. (Since I use startx the multi-choice version doesn't make
sense for me) With e16 and some experimentation I found I could say:
"NO don't log out" with the escape key. And "Yes do logout" with an
<cttl>+<enter>... With e17 I cant find a way to gracefully logout
unless I actually use the mouse to confirm it...
Also the configuration screens on e17 were giving me fits. Oh they
look more visually appealing than the some what boxy looking pop-ups in
e16. But they are definitely being developed by someone who can't
imagine that some users have a problem with mouse methods.
For example: Once I know what shortcuts And menu adjustments I want
(such as moving rarely used win-ops choices to the miscellaneous sub
menu and (since e16 the Sabyon linux on my laptop doesn't respond to
ANY of my keybindings until I give it a restart I added restart to
all my e16 win ops menus with which I can point at any window (even a
pager...) and do an "<alt>+<right-click> {select restart} <enter>" and
it's good to go) Any way Once I really knew what I wanted the bindings
and menu files to look like then with vim, and lots of copy paste and
a restart I was able to get it set up my way in about one and a
quarter hours. Then it took me about another 2 hrs to clone that
set up on the other 5 e16 installations:
[ (Kubuntu, OpenSuSE, And Sabayon) * (desktop + laptop) = 6 total
Once I knew the diff between multiple desktops and Virtual ones AND knew
how to stop the mouse from edge flipping the virtual ones. It took me
less than 4 hours to set up 6 different e16 installations to each have 9
desktops with a 2x2 virtual desktop setting AND configure each of the 9
desktops to have it's own wallpaper.
When I tried to set up those same things with only ONE e17*
(not counting the time it took to learn that I couldn't just edit the
config files anymore and learning that as far as I can see the
multiple desktop and virtual desktop features appear to be combined.
It took me over 8 hours (actually nearly 16 hours but I'm not counting
the time I had to stop to let my hands recover from numbness do to
excessive mouse work...) Just to configure my short cuts It might have
taken less time if it was possible to see what an existing shortcut
was mapped to without selecting it. I mean with both kde and gnome
style shortcut gui's they have a list of possible actions and you can
see what shortcuts are assigned to what without clicking on each one.
I don't mind the idea (in fact I like it) That if I delete all, and
then only crate 5 key bindings, my list will be only 5 items long. But
I don't know why it can't display what the binding does without it
having to be individually selected... And to top it off there were some
that I had to do several times... I had a copy of my e16 bindings in
front of me as I tried to clone them as close as possible on e17.
sometimes I'd create a shortcut key sequence only to realize that I'd
fat fingered the shortcut and need to delete it. Usually after I did
that one of my other shortcuts would mysteriously get resigned to a
different function ( most commonly I had put my show win-ops short cut
back onto the <ctrl>+<alt><+space> key about 6 times because it kept
getting reset to logout??? Then of course I had to double check each
and every one of the bindings I had so far configured...
The next day, after copying my current wallpaper images to
~/.e/backgrounds I started the task of selecting one image for each of
the virtual desktops. Now admittedly instead of having 9 desktops with
a 2x2 virtual desktop grid (assigned to <ctrl>+<F[1-9]>) I had a grid
of 3x4 virtual desktops (one for each <ctrl>+<F-key> on my keyboard.
But 12 vs 9 isn't that big a diff.
But anyway this was after I figured out that I needed to select a .jpg,
and then install it as wallpaper (selecting if I want it stretched,
centered, tiled or whatever) when it would create an .edj file...
Unfortunately every so often I would forget to select advanced and
override the default to put the one wallpaper on ALL desktops which
would make me have to start over. Until I hit on the idea of Not
closing the pop-up tool but sending it to the next Virtual desktop via
the win-ops pop-up (which refused to offer the iconify choice for the
settings tool that it would have offered for a regular application)
Anyway once I started doing it that way I got about half way through
when I accidentaly closed it... Wouldn't you know when I restarted it I
forgot to reset the all desktops option <sigh> {I didn't say I was the
brightest bulb in the box...}
Anyway. I wasn't sleepy so I started the wallpaper project for E17 when
my lady went to bed around 9pm... When she got up at 5am to ask me if:
(her words: "Since you hadn't bothered to go to bed, would I pul-ease put
away that {her expletive deleted} computer and start a pot of coffee?" )
I discovered that I had spent all night and I still have three desktop
backgrounds to fix... If I get klutzy with that all desktop setting
again I'll probably need a new laptop Cause I just know I'll take a
hammer to it...
I don't know if anybody here has any pull with the people actualy
developing E17. But if you do, PLEASE ask them to consider adding
keyboard support to the configuration setting tools...
Aside from that. Once I eventually get everything configured just so.
It looks like I'll like using E17. But I'm thinking it's going to be a
real pain setting up 6 installations to be all the same... Unless. If
ALL the linux disto's adopt the same release of it so That I can
configure one. and then make a tarball out of ~/.e and extract exact
copies of all those non-human-editable files to the other distros
without something choking on an old/new <incompatible> file format...
I guess I'll just have to enjoy the heck out of E16 until I'm forced
to upgrade the same way kubuntu pushed {retch} kde4 on me...
:r $sig/cry
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