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Re: No differentiation between only-mouse and mouse+window > movement (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) > 5. Re: Session-/Login-Managers? (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) > 6. Re: Do you plan to provide an Expos?? > (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) > 7. Re: Something QML-like!? (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) > 8. Re: Proposal for a new efm view (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:05:26 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] translucent efm 'panes' to arrange a 'Desktop' > per workspace > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825200526.cb361e78.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:24:42 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > first remember that session manager isn't relevant here. e manages itself > and.. > its own content is its own problem. as such e offers no such feature at the > moment. it'd be actually pretty trivial to add. the filemanager (desktop > icons) is really not that hard. the desktop bit. you just needs the same > thing > with icons occupying a specific geometry area with an optional background > design (that can be transparent, translucent or solid). but no one has made > this.. so you're stuck here. :) > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to have different 'Desktop' folders shown on different > > workspaces. Because 'traditionally', and in case of e17, the file > > manager handles the 'Desktop' folder, I guess, that efm is the right > > target. Because it is the most flexible product, I'd wish efm to > > do it. But I'm also fine, if not best pleased, with 'views' of type > > 'edge sliders' that look like translucent panes to be drawn in from > > aside or the like. The only four things I care about are that: > > > > 1. each pane can show a different directory > > 2. the panes are 'highly' configurable (translucent background, no > > borders [i.e. only a handle or automated slide-in], profile-based > > on/off for drag&drop and access from 'using' to 'working with') > > 3. these panes are sticky! > > 4. they are remembered by the session manager > > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:05:45 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] With 'sloppy mode', sometimes focus doesn't > follow mouse, though mouse actions are targeting correct window > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825200545.27fe7e4f.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:59:59 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > > Hello, > > > > Trac told me that I'm a spammer, so I try to spam on here ;) > > > > The problem seems to appear when switching workspaces. The window under > > the mouse pointer is not focused but gets the clicks. The focused > > window gets the keyboard input. > > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > works for me (tm) :) > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:10:10 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] better handling of file moves > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825201010.d5408320.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:01:57 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > > Hello, > > > > Efm, instead of other file managers, moves instead of copies files when > > dragged. I find this more natural and am fine with it. The only problem > > I see, and why other file managers act different, is that one could > > accidentially loose files to a removable or network media. My idea is > > to always move a copy to the trash bin if media borders are crossed. As > > far as I know, every media has its own trash bin. > > actually thats a good idea. the problem is when do you delete the trash? > you > move 4gb of photos from sd card to your photos folder... your sd card is > still > full of 4g of photos. very annoying. there probably should not be a simple > move > to trash, BUT... move the "already copied" files to a hidden dir (separate > from > trash) created for THAT specific operation only on the source media (if > source > media is writable. if src is not then its a copy not a move anyway, or > should > be - need to test this). then when operation is entirely done with no > errors, > delete this tmpdir and all its contents. its close to your idea - but it > doesnt > "pollute" the trash dir with temporary operations and cleans up when done. > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:21:35 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] No differentiation between only-mouse and > mouse+window movement > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825202135.95061880.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:08:58 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm quite active with my mouse on screen and very often touch edges and > > even corners (that's why I'm no fan of interactive corners). This is > > why I don't want the mouse to switch workspaces. But I still want to > > move windows across workspaces. Sadly, the configuration treats both > > cases via one option, only targeting the mouse as such. Other desktops > > offer separate options. > > given the way the edge bindings work thats a little tricker as dragging to > an > edge looks for a dinging for that edge and triggers it - no binding, no > action > there. i don't think we'll be adding this for e17 > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:31:43 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] Session-/Login-Managers? > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825203143.ac804444.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:16:27 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > > Hello, > > > > my system is reduced to what I need, and that's why I keep GNOME or KDE > > stuff from my disk. But that brings in some annoyances like the broken > > and incapable X Session Manager or the 'basic' slim login-manager. Do > > you have plans in these directions? > > we dont even have ANY x session manager. we dont have any plans to add one > (ie > bring back apps on log in u had runing before). you can MANUALLY set up > what u > want started on login via the remembers dialogs per window. and remember > location/size and other things, but its not "automatic". definitely not > going > to use x session management tho - just the relaunch we have already. maybe > we > can provide a "rememebr everything on my screen/this desktop/all desktops > now". > but no plans to do that before an e17 release. > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:29:34 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] Do you plan to provide an Expos?? > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825202934.40c83d4d.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:58:15 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:17:03 +0200 > > Martin Koelewijn <martinkoelew...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Is that the wall-like zoomed out desktops overview, > > > > Yepp! > > > > > Anyway, try the comp-scale module. Load module, then > > > configure keybindings. > > > > i found out that this is in a modules-extra package but couldn't find a > > download. Is this repo-only? > > yes. svn. > > > Btw., I was able to switch on the compositor with OpenGL and Tex-to-Pix > > on my Radeon 9250 (RV280/128bit). But the speed is like in 2D-mode, no > > comparison to Compiz, except that workspace-switching is even slower. > > oh you poor bugger. ati card. i feel sorry for you :( my experience with > ati > has been poor over the years. their closed drivers are messy and > unreliable. > they have horrible hacks that mean if u arent compiz - u just dont work. > dont > even bother. i am not kidding when i LITERALLy found i had to change the > xecutable name of my initial compositor test to be compiz for it to work at > all > with the fglrx drivers. THATs how bad they are. they hunt and check process > name and only work if u are "compiz". they fixed that in later driver > versions > but that alone made me throw in the towel with ati. thats so wrong on so > many > levels. also with fglrx any resize (or creation) of a new texture is so > horribly > slow (it seems to be doing readback from video mem to cpu then back to > texture > again or something) that its unbearable. thats WHY compiz doesnt do "solid > resizes" and offers a box for resize. fglrx. thats why. i dont know if the > open > drivers are better. a while back i understood they didnt work well because > they > didnt properly support GLSL. e requires shaders to work. it actually works > like > a charm on embedded gpu's even (phones) - smooth and silky. it works very > well > on intel drivers (not gallium - the normal intel ones - though bleeding > edge > versions may have bugs) and it works stellarly on nvidia drivers. i don't > know > about nouveau. > > so... your biggest problem i think is... your gfx card and its drivers. if > it > doesnt handle GLSL shaders well in hw - you are in deep trouble. if it > doesnt > optimize them well (poor GLSL compiler in the opengl lib) then it will not > be > good. it's not that high a bar to get over these days, but it seems so many > people have poor drivers of gfx chips. and no - we aren't dropping GLSL > because > we need it for several evas features already (like yuv video support) and > we > are expanding its use. we simply cant survive without shaders and its a > royal > pain to support embedded GLES unless you choose shaders (GLES2 requires > shaders. no shaders - no render). > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:34:14 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] Something QML-like!? > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825203414.8fcb3cdd.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:49:13 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > for writing apps in js - look at elev8. it's being brought up to speed so > its > still a bit simple, but its on its way. as for js etc. inside theme > elements - > not a brillian move. js enignes are not small or lean. lua/pawn for edje > target > only customising the theme and its actions and behavior. not apps. elev8 > targets doing apps. there are also python and ruby bindings for efl. > > > Hello, > > > > this seems to be a bit off topic but, at least to me, it seems to be > > more crucial than one might guess. Re-thinking how a login manager for > > e17 would look like and how to make that work, I found, that too many > > toys draw in the need for 'just another' scripting language or > > dependency (like Python or lua). E17 already has a lot to offer, like > > the edje storage format, embedded pawn, etc. But, looking at their > > purposes and capabilities, they don't seem to target a ready scripting > > platform for e17. I find QML quite interesting because, if more modules > > appear, it can put the developer of, say, a login screen straight into > > the object tree and let him 'do it all' from there. File access and > > other modules are a must, though, drawing in an access-management > > model.) Do you have thoughts to this? > > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:37:33 +0900 > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > Subject: Re: [e-users] Proposal for a new efm view > To: Enlightenment users discussion & support > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <20110825203733.094dcee4.ras...@rasterman.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:48:36 +0200 Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de > > > said: > > not planning on doing major surgery to efm. its icon view can wrap names. > it > does here. list view is simple ans will stay as its used by the file > selector. > we basically dont want to go do a lot of work thats not on our todo list as > we > want to get e17 released and not forever add every feature someone asks for > :) > (we're woefully short on time to do that anyway). > > > Hello, > > > > am quite active today :) > > > > What really bothers me is this strange icon view in file browsers. To > > me it is of no worth. I can't find anything in this fancy wallpaper. It > > also draws in further problems like that the label is pushing the > > neighbours out of sight in efm. Breaking the labels or even placing > > thumbnails irregularly by their individual size, like done by nautilus, > > is worse too. > > > > However, the list view is too lame, and the detailed view too compact. > > I'd rather like to have a view that shows both thumbnail and details in > > one block (a bit like in card-based layouts), and the blocks cascaded > > and with fixed size. If one wants to see more of the label (if one > > line is not enough) there is a handle to open the full text-view, > > stretching the block and pushing the blocks below downwards. > > > > Something like this: > > > > ################################# > > # # > > # #### Very_long_name_not_wa v # > > # #### # > > # #### details # > > # listed here v # > > ################################# > > > > Best wishes, > > Dennis Heuer <dh-mailingli...@online.de> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K > The only unified storage solution that offers unified management > Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. > Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > End of enlightenment-users Digest, Vol 61, Issue 24 > *************************************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K The only unified storage solution that offers unified management Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. 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