On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:22:23 +0200 (EET) Robert Krambovitis <rob...@split.gr>
> said:
>
>> > From: "Carsten Haitzler"
>> > To: "Enlightenment users discussion & support"
>> > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "P Purkayastha"
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:30:29 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [e-users] wsod
>> >
>> > On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:17:29 +0800 P Purkayastha
>> > said:
>> >
>> > > On 11/06/2012 05:53 PM, Stefano wrote:
>> > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:16 AM, P Purkayastha
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >> Well, that's what you get for not reading what is written on the
>> > > >> screen.
>> > > >> It is very clearly written what each option means. If you
>> > > >> approach any
>> > > >> software (not only E) with the mentality of clicking random
>> > > >> buttons
>> > > >> whenever a dialog pops up, a disaster will happen some time or
>> > > >> the other.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sure thing, however a good design should avoid such slips.
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010204.html
>> > > >
>> > > > ;-)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > All that is ok. But what kind of "good design" can you have with an
>> > > xmessage like alert box? The one thrown by e has got *only* two
>> > > options:
>> > >
>> > > F1 Recover
>> > > F2 Exit
>> > >
>> > > It should be clear that what we want to do is "recover" our work.
>> > > Hence,
>> > > why would I even bother to exit?
>> > >
>> > > Secondly, this kind of dialog shows the user that something went
>> > > bad. If
>> > > you restart it silently then the user has no means of knowing why E
>> > > suddenly started to restart by itself. There could be a
>> > > notification,
>> > > but the user who doesn't read such popups won't read notifications
>> > > as
>> > > well. And the developer or more curious user who wants to debug
>> > > can't
>> > > debug either (part of the reason for the dialog is to aid in
>> > > debugging).
>> >
>> > if you get into segfault cycles (ie it keeps segving eery time
>> > immediately)
>> > then u WANT to be able to exit. its a necessary evil.
>>
>> @carsten: afaik if it crashes repeatedly, the modules are automatically
>> unloaded, which in many cases stops the crashing. At the end of the day, I
>> can always ctrl+alt+backspace/f1 and do something about it.
>
> many distros turn off ctrl+alt+backspace. if bug is not in a module you have
> this problem anyway. and if it is the novice user in your example above.. they
> have no idea how to do this anyway.
>
>> @ppurka: f2 exit -> exit what ? What is enlightenment ? You think that
>> everyone that uses is knows what it is ? Why will exiting enlightenment kill
>> all my applications ? I didn't say exit browser, or exit email, or exit
>> whatever else, and especially not exit X .. ! In the event of my colleague,
>> he comes from a computer environment that "just works".
>>
>> What I'm saying is that it's hazardous (in the computer sense), and users
>> will (at least once) select the wrong option. I go back to my original post
>> and request a "configuration option". Therefore devs can have it one way,
>> system builders can have it the other way. Especially since system builders
>> will first test for problems before pushing updates to repositories for the
>> end users.
>>
I, too, agree, that doing auto-restart is not the way to go, however,
I, too, have accidentally pressed F2 when I wanted F1.
So how about just taking the simple solution and move from F2 to, say, F12? :)
Patch attached.
--
thomasg
From af4a8278872bae2c712a2fd465a6007c2a62daa4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: =?UTF-8?q?Thomas=20Gst=C3=A4dtner?= <tho...@gstaedtner.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 22:56:30 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] WSOD: change exit from (F2) to (F12) to avoid accidents
---
trunk/e/src/bin/e_alert_main.c | 4 ++--
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/trunk/e/src/bin/e_alert_main.c b/trunk/e/src/bin/e_alert_main.c
index 1333f24..b33bee8 100644
--- a/trunk/e/src/bin/e_alert_main.c
+++ b/trunk/e/src/bin/e_alert_main.c
@@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ main(int argc, char **argv)
title = "Enlightenment Error";
str1 = "(F1) Recover";
- str2 = "(F2) Exit";
+ str2 = "(F12) Exit";
_e_alert_create();
_e_alert_display();
@@ -427,7 +427,7 @@ _e_alert_handle_key_press(xcb_generic_event_t *event)
ev = (xcb_key_press_event_t *)event;
if (ev->detail == 67) // F1
return 1;
- else if (ev->detail == 68) // F2
+ else if (ev->detail == 96) // F12
return 2;
else
return 0;
--
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