I cannot imagine coyotes ever becoming so dangerously efficient and so heavily 
reliant on deer that they would "crash" the deer population.  There is one 
location in the White Mountains were the deer density was low to being with and 
in winters with deep snow, the coyotes hammered the deer.  But on a regional or 
landscape scale, nothing even close to that has happened.  Having said that, I 
totally agree that we all have to be careful what we wish for.  I recall some 
folks wishing for a more open canopy through the Whites to allow for a little 
bit more diversity.  Then we got the ice storm!




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From: DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:01:40 AM
Subject: [ENTS] Re: coyotes

 Christine-
We have similar thoughts on this subject...my only addition to your post would 
be, "we gotta be careful what we wish for", should the coyotes pack up, and 
successfully 'crash' the deer population, what would the subsequent coyote 
explosion be like?
-Don

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:12:33 -0800
From: [email protected]
Subject: [ENTS] coyotes
To: [email protected]


The red wolf reintroduction was not the hoped-for success in the southeast due 
most likely to the presence of coyotes, but not because coyotes have filled the 
niche as suggested.  Red wolves are the only wolves known to breed with 
coyotes.  The presence of a large established coyote population means that any 
red wolf dispersing outward for a life of its own is more likely to run into a 
coyote than into another red wolf.  They breed and their offspring of course 
dilute the red wolf population.  In time and with enough hybridizations, 
genetic swamping occurs and you end up with a red wolf/coyote mix (a king of 
super coyote).  It is probably also significant that after the USFWS caught and 
eliminated all but the "purest" red wolves, they were only able to release a 
few individuals back into the wild.  If the critical population had been larger 
the red wolves might have had a better chance for a little longer, but the 
coyote inevitability factor is a big
 card and not much can overcome that fact.
In every instance except one or two cases, whenever humans have tried to 
eliminate a local population of coyotes we have failed.  They breed 
compensatorily (they breed younger and have larger litters) and before long 
there are more than ever.  Coyotes are a species that cannot be "managed" 
except to leave them alone and let density dependent factors work.
Whether coyotes will control the deer population is a good question.  Here in 
the northeast we have some very large coyotes because of the wolf component 
that characterizes them. They interbred with a southern Canadian wolf before 
they dropped down into New England around 1930 or so.  Since their arrival they 
have become larger and larger and they have learned to pack up and take deer.  
Deer only comprise a small part of their diet, however (more fawns in the 
spring), with smaller prey and vegetation still favored.  However, I believe 
that in time, depending upon environmental factors such as snow depth and 
disease transmission (heartworm, Lyme's etc) deer will comprise more of their 
diet, particularly if they continue to increase their body size.  There is no 
reason why our coyotes shouldn;t continue to get bigger because there is a 
niche to fill.
Down in the southeast I am not certain how large the coyotes are but obviously 
a few interbreed with red wolves and so the same dynamic may be taking place.  
The coyotes that emigrated from the west and occupied the south east and 
eastern states did not breed with wolves along the way and so have smaller 
overall body types. But with the red wolf component working through that local 
population and as those wolf genes for size are favored, you may see more deer 
impacted.  It is fascinating to watch, during my lifetime, the evolution of 
coyotes both physically and behaviorally as they have 'learned' to pack up to 
take advantage of deer.  
Having offered this, I have to say that even with our large coyotes which do 
pack up and appear to be wolf wanna-bes, coyotes do not have any appreciable 
impact on the deer population.  They would still prefer easier smaller prey and 
to refine the art of scavenging.  So, if a deer eating coyote population is on 
the way, I'm afraid it may still be a long way off.





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