Hi Jenny I have noticed over the years that Ostrya has quite a noticeable feature in that its branches are almost always at right angles from the trunk. I have to say that the bark looks similar to Hop Hornbeam.... On 3-Apr-09, at 4:10 PM, JennyNYC wrote:
> > Steve, > > You're way ahead of me with branching patterns, but I don't know if > Betula nigra bark would flake in that way. Wouldn't you be able to see > a trace of the horizontal lenticels? Also, the tree may not be growing > straight because of soil erosion. It's on a bit of an incline - which > I didn't show very well since I didn't get the base of the trunk. > > I added 3 pictures of the guy next door which I think is a big (to my > inexperienced eyes!) Betula lenta. Can you tell from the photo? It > could certainly be a river birch, though. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp?feat=directlink > > Jenny > > On Apr 3, 3:44 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: >> Jenny- >> >> After looking at your other photos more carefully--not focusing on >> the >> bark--I think the tree in your photo is a river birch, Betula >> nigra. The >> reasons I think it's not a hophornbeam are: >> >> 1-The branch attachment to the trunk. The tree in your photos >> displays sort >> of a "saddle" at the point of attachment, which is a >> characteristic of >> birches but not of Ostrya. Compare the attached photo to your >> photo #4. >> >> 2-Ostrya tends to be very vertical, straight, and single-stemmed; the >> general habit of your tree is arching and leaning, with a couple >> of main >> stems. >> >> Both species are found in similar habitats where native. River birch >> approaches its northern native limit in the NYC area(as it does >> here in NE >> Ohio), and the northern river birches look very different from the >> popular >> cultivars such as Heritage birch and Dura-heat birch, both of >> which have >> much lighter and more exfoliating bark. Either species can retain >> a few >> shriveled leaves over the winter. >> >> Steve >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM, JennyNYC <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks! It sounds unanimous. Please send on any pix of hophornbeam. >>> Looking forward to one from Cleveland, Steve. >> >>> Jenny. >> >>> On Apr 3, 8:05 am, William Morse <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> i agree as well. those 'not typical' traits you've pointed out >>>> are all >>>> still within the variation found in the species. >> >>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Will Fell <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> Looks like a hop-hornbeam to me also. I've seen a some with >>>>> flaky bark >>>>> and some with tighter bark, but the leaves hanging on is not >>>>> unusual >>>>> for it. >> >>>>> On Apr 2, 11:29 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Jenny- >> >>>>>> It looks sort of like hop-hornbeam, but not typical for the >>>>>> way it >>> looks in >>>>>> my area--the smaller trunk is more similar to what I've seen, the >>> larger >>>>>> more "flaky" (but hey, you're in NYC)! Tomorrow I'll take a >>>>>> pic and >>> send on >>>>>> to you what i think is typical(for Cleveland). >> >>>>>> Steve >> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:13 PM, JennyNYC >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> ENTS, >> >>>>>>> Can you help me identify this tree? I am thinking it's a >>>>>>> hophornbeam >>>>>>> (Ostrya virginiana), but do their leaves cling in winter? It's >>>>>>> growing just above the Bronx River flood plain. I couldn't get a >>> close >>>>>>> look at the buds. >> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp? >>>>>>> feat=directlink >> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> Jenny- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> Ostrya branching habit.jpg >> 189KViewDownload > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
