**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 21 06:55:44 2008 May 21 10:00:00 >#fedora-devel< Meeting ping: Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, smooge, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in #fedora-meeting now! May 21 10:01:30 <stahnma> am I on time? May 21 10:01:54 <stahnma> !date -u May 21 10:02:06 * nirik is here for the epel meeting. May 21 10:02:06 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process May 21 10:02:18 <stahnma> woohoo May 21 10:02:20 <smooge> Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting? May 21 10:02:22 * stahnma makes a meeting May 21 10:02:33 * smooge likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule May 21 10:02:47 <smooge> if I had caught up with those tasks... May 21 10:02:50 * sahak has quit ("Ex-Chat") May 21 10:05:03 <smooge> ok for the record I am behind on reports May 21 10:05:23 <smooge> and I am unplugging my phone because people keep calling when my calender says I am busy.. May 21 10:05:48 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Old Business -- EL pushes May 21 10:06:19 <quaid> sorry, just finished a phone call May 21 10:06:21 <smooge> knurd has been pushing out EPEL on schedule.. so I think we are doing well with getting stuff out into testing and into production May 21 10:06:25 <nirik> going pretty well as far as I can see... I would remind people that if you build a security fix, please let the pushers know about it so it can get pushed to stable. May 21 10:06:56 <stahnma> I think I got most of the ruby packages in rawhide into F9 May 21 10:06:59 <smooge> I agree.. I think this is something easier with bodhi... May 21 10:07:11 <smooge> so we will have rails soon? May 21 10:07:53 <nirik> yeah, with bodhi it's easy to mark security updates... May 21 10:08:04 <smooge> I hope we will ahve asterisk soon since its last 'failing' is being dropped from the spec May 21 10:08:18 <stahnma> smooge: rails is in testing May 21 10:08:58 <smooge> cool. I have a 'client' who wants rails on EL boxes.. May 21 10:09:30 <smooge> stahnma, anything we can help with for further ruby testing? May 21 10:09:32 * nirik is going to try and work on finishing up Xfce testing this week and get in in epel5 soon too. May 21 10:09:42 <stahnma> smooge: just run some apps with it May 21 10:09:57 <stahnma> There were almost 0 tweaks from rawhide to epel, so that's good May 21 10:10:26 <smooge> nirik, ok thats sounds like a good plan. I want to test Xfce soon.. though I am going to be reformatting the laptop for travel to F9 for encryption... May 21 10:10:45 <smooge> then back to EL-5 when I get back from travel May 21 10:11:01 * SmootherFrOgZ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/SmootherFrOgZ) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:11:04 <nirik> smooge: cool. I should have Xfce in soonly... it's of course already in fedora. ;) May 21 10:11:18 <smooge> anyway.. I think that brings us to the next topic: bodhi May 21 10:11:21 * SmootherFrOgZ is back May 21 10:11:34 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Old Business -- Build system May 21 10:11:44 <smooge> hey! SmootherFrOgZ May 21 10:11:48 <smooge> glad you could make it May 21 10:12:11 <smooge> ok does anyone know what the status of koji patches for EL-4/5 builds? May 21 10:12:31 <SmootherFrOgZ> someone works on ? May 21 10:12:33 * nirik sadly doesn't know of any progress there. May 21 10:12:45 <smooge> did we get an intern on it? do we want to see if a Fudcon hackathon to beat it into submission? May 21 10:12:52 <smooge> quaid, ? May 21 10:14:15 <nirik> I would like to see a general epel hack session at fudcon. We could try and get that done or at least progressing as part of it. May 21 10:14:16 <quaid> hrm, sry May 21 10:14:28 * nirik wonders who all is going to be at fudcon? May 21 10:14:35 <smooge> ok I would like to do a hack session also. May 21 10:14:44 <quaid> I don't know that we have an intern for that May 21 10:14:47 <quaid> but hackfest is good May 21 10:14:47 <SmootherFrOgZ> nirik, i'll be there May 21 10:14:53 * quaid will be there May 21 10:15:00 <quaid> SmootherFrOgZ: excellent May 21 10:15:01 <smooge> I will be there also... May 21 10:15:13 <smooge> well 90% assured I will be there. May 21 10:15:17 <SmootherFrOgZ> We could take time to have a talk about at fudcon too May 21 10:15:18 <smooge> I will know tomorrow May 21 10:15:28 * kital ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:15:35 <quaid> this will be a bit of a bigger thing for EPEL, actually, this time May 21 10:15:39 <quaid> last year was the launch of EPEL May 21 10:15:42 <smooge> SmootherFrOgZ, I have it on the schedule in new business May 21 10:15:48 <SmootherFrOgZ> nice May 21 10:16:00 <quaid> this year we have talks, many leaders there, interest from ISVs and RHX (rhx.redhat.com) to sort out, etc. May 21 10:16:13 <nirik> yeah, and with redhat summit we might get folks coming over from that to see whats what. May 21 10:16:17 <quaid> +1 May 21 10:16:27 <smooge> any other old business? packages that ened a kick? May 21 10:16:34 <quaid> I'm pushing where I can to get that advertized, since it is an important crossover piece May 21 10:16:48 <quaid> all else fails, we walk around and talk to people in their little ISV booths :) May 21 10:16:51 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- New Business -- RH Summit + Fudcon May 21 10:17:00 <nirik> smooge: I would like to see us get rid of the broken deps in epel4 testing... some have been there a long time. May 21 10:17:02 <smooge> ok sorry I am slower than the conversation :) May 21 10:17:18 * nirik is slower still. ;) May 21 10:17:23 <quaid> sorry, I didn't mean to force change topics :) May 21 10:17:46 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Old Business -- Broken Deps May 21 10:17:55 <smooge> lets do the broken deps and then onto summit May 21 10:17:59 <quaid> k May 21 10:18:04 <SmootherFrOgZ> hm, there is also a package that need to be branched into epel, specificaly for EL-4 May 21 10:18:13 <smooge> how many do we have currently? May 21 10:18:33 * stahnma is back. May 21 10:18:39 <stahnma> I will be there too ^^ FUDcon May 21 10:18:45 <nirik> well, something is still wacky with the deps scripts. May 21 10:18:58 <nirik> Hopefully I can get with dgilmore or mmcgrath and see if we can track it down. May 21 10:19:12 <nirik> but the epel4-testing broken deps, many have been around for a long time... May 21 10:19:26 <nirik> should we just remove those packages from the repo? or prod maintainers again? May 21 10:19:54 <nirik> http://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2008-May/msg00041.html May 21 10:19:57 <stahnma> nirik: I would like to help fix that stuff too May 21 10:20:10 <stahnma> I need an excuse to get an infrastructure account anyway May 21 10:20:33 <stahnma> I would say lets prod maintainers one more time May 21 10:20:36 <nirik> I guess there is some epel5-testing ones that have been around for a while too. May 21 10:20:45 <stahnma> and if a week goes by with no action, then we pull them May 21 10:20:55 <smooge> I need to get my infrastructure account dealt with too.. May 21 10:20:57 <stahnma> I am less concerned about testing and stable.. May 21 10:20:57 <nirik> ok, sounds good. I will be happy to help track down/fix too. May 21 10:21:18 <nirik> well, the ones listed in that report for stable are mostly bogus. May 21 10:21:22 <smooge> stahnma, +1 on the week report and pull May 21 10:21:35 * nphilipp has quit ("Leaving") May 21 10:21:45 <nirik> yeah, +1 from me to prod and pull... they have lingered for a long time with no action. May 21 10:21:51 <smooge> If we need to get a 'devel' tree to allow for such broken ones to stick in.. thats a later conversation May 21 10:22:06 <nirik> stahnma: can you prod maintainers? many of them have bugs filed... but direct email might work better. May 21 10:22:17 <SmootherFrOgZ> +& May 21 10:22:19 <SmootherFrOgZ> 1 May 21 10:22:28 <stahnma> nirik: I can. I can hit you up later for the exact info if I can't track it down May 21 10:22:38 <nirik> stahnma: sure, happy to help. May 21 10:22:56 <stahnma> ok, moving on? May 21 10:23:05 <smooge> Ok lets put a schedule. we announce after the meeting and we pull on June 4th May 21 10:23:24 * _blah_ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/blah) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:23:39 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- New Business -- RH Summit + Fudcon May 21 10:23:43 <smooge> Ok now back to quaid May 21 10:24:08 * stahnma really needs to start finalizing material :) May 21 10:24:28 <smooge> stahnma, your talk is at RH summit or Fudcon.. I lost track sorry May 21 10:24:33 <stahnma> luckily I have to give a similar presentation next week, so I will have mine pretty stable by then May 21 10:24:36 <stahnma> smooge: RH summit May 21 10:24:39 <stahnma> it's about Updates May 21 10:24:43 <stahnma> for EL May 21 10:24:46 <stahnma> and managing them all May 21 10:24:47 <smooge> cool. anything we can do to help May 21 10:25:09 <stahnma> My talk will be mostly high-level process oriented May 21 10:25:26 * mmcgrath is here, sorry guys May 21 10:25:33 <stahnma> I had planned on using RHN/Satellite during hte talk, but then my talk was moved to the open source track May 21 10:25:44 * smooge gives mmcgrath a wet noodle May 21 10:25:53 <stahnma> so I will talk a bit about the concepts of updates and applying them in large-scale environments May 21 10:26:03 <stahnma> and probably sell EPEL in there a few times May 21 10:26:10 <stahnma> as, we use it heavily May 21 10:26:12 <smooge> cool May 21 10:26:28 <nirik> mmcgrath: if you have some time sometime this week, could I get your assistance to try and track down the wonkyness with the epel broken deps script? or get access to look at the repos so I can try and figure it out? :) May 21 10:26:41 <mmcgrath> nirik: yeah I'll get you access. May 21 10:26:47 <nirik> mmcgrath: thanks. May 21 10:27:09 <SmootherFrOgZ> i'm available for help nirik May 21 10:27:11 <nirik> stahnma: sounds good... and since it's in the open source track we can all come and heckle you. ;) May 21 10:27:32 <nirik> SmootherFrOgZ: cool. Discuss after meeting? May 21 10:27:38 <smooge> stahnma, that sounds great. Getting how you manage large scale environments is one of the things my boss has given me as homework for letting me to go May 21 10:27:40 <SmootherFrOgZ> nirik, sure ;) May 21 10:28:11 <smooge> I am supposed to ramp up an 'open-source-isp-like environmnet' by end of summer May 21 10:28:50 <smooge> Anyway.. quaid you around still? May 21 10:29:09 <quaid> I am back May 21 10:29:23 <smooge> What items would you like see done at FUDcon? May 21 10:29:41 <quaid> OK ... May 21 10:30:13 <quaid> * Meet with any ISVs that show up and talk with them about what "concerns" they have, etc. ... some of it is putting a human face on Fedora EPEL May 21 10:30:27 <stahnma> quaid: I completely agree May 21 10:30:34 <stahnma> maybe we should get business cards May 21 10:30:44 <quaid> tweak the Ambassadors cards? May 21 10:30:48 <stahnma> perhaps May 21 10:31:08 <quaid> in terms of contributors May 21 10:31:27 <quaid> that would be the other part, what do we need to encourage? how can we use the gathering of Fedorans to improve EPEL? May 21 10:31:36 * stahnma needs to leave May 21 10:31:43 <smooge> ok thanks stahnma May 21 10:31:48 <nirik> thanks stahnma May 21 10:31:50 <stahnma> quaid: I can speak with you later about some ideas May 21 10:31:51 <stahnma> thanks May 21 10:31:57 <quaid> ok May 21 10:32:07 <nirik> I think we should look at getting our announce list setup before then... tell people to subscribe to that? May 21 10:32:08 * No5251 has quit ("Kein Anschluss unter dieser Nummer!") May 21 10:32:38 <SmootherFrOgZ> +1 May 21 10:32:48 <smooge> quaid, one of the big issues that I know is that people want a lot but some of those items do not fit into Fedora packaging or other schemes May 21 10:33:05 <smooge> ok +1 on announce list May 21 10:33:19 <smooge> mmcgrath, is the fedora mailman available for that May 21 10:34:07 <quaid> smooge: we could look at how to market Fedora packaging as being worth the effort for people who wouldn't otherwise want to do it ? May 21 10:34:19 <mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, you just want to announce it? May 21 10:34:49 <nirik> also, if we could, might be good to setup some mentor thing... ie, get a mentor who knows the ropes to try and help you with packaging your thing in a sane way for epel. May 21 10:34:56 <smooge> mmcgrath, announce fedora mailman or announce epel-announce (and any other lists)? May 21 10:35:48 <nirik> a epel-announce-list for possibly announcing new packages, announcing things like incompatible updates, etc... for end users. May 21 10:36:04 <mmcgrath> smooge: if you just want to send out an announcement use fedora-announce if you want to create an epel-announce list I'd leave it at the @redhat.com list (I can get that setup for you) until we figure out how the non fedorahosted lists are going to be. May 21 10:36:23 <smooge> quaid, the issue that I saw was that a lot of ISV things usually bring in their own 'stack' of open source stuff because it conflicts with existing EL-5/EPEL packages. (the whole using /opt for one ISV wanting to get included in epel) May 21 10:37:06 <smooge> mmcgrath, nirik, the wish is to create an [EMAIL PROTECTED] email list where we can announce new/old packages and rebuilds and such? May 21 10:37:48 <mmcgrath> smooge: I'm fine eith that or leaving it where it is. May 21 10:37:55 <nirik> well, yeah... but even more low traffic... not all updates/pushes... but things when end users need to know something... May 21 10:38:12 <SmootherFrOgZ> +1 for mmcgrath May 21 10:38:27 * mbacovsk has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) May 21 10:38:38 <nirik> perhaps we should discuss further on list the exact needs/scope? May 21 10:38:54 <smooge> ok lets discuss on list and get it nailed down. May 21 10:39:12 <quaid> smooge: right, and if we want ISVs as contributors, and I reckon we do, we need to find ways to teach them why that is a bad way :) May 21 10:39:21 <quaid> ah, one other item ... May 21 10:39:45 <quaid> * ISV relationship discussion with EPEL and RHT's ISV partner managers May 21 10:39:45 <nirik> quaid: yeah, a mentor type thing (if we can find people with time to mentor) would help there too. May 21 10:39:53 <smooge> quaid, well if their apps don't work without perl-5.8 or ruby-999999 its a bit hard :) but thats another discussion May 21 10:39:55 <quaid> that would be a Thursday hackfest/discussion topic May 21 10:40:22 <quaid> nirik: right, and some training for the mentors in the differences in relating to ISVs as opposed to the rest of the known universe May 21 10:40:33 <nirik> yep. May 21 10:41:34 <smooge> +1 Thursday discussion on ISV interaction , +1 on mentor training for packaging for enterprise May 21 10:42:01 <quaid> ok, I'll continue on trying to setup that meeting; that will mean spending part of Wednesday walking around talking with the ISVs May 21 10:42:01 <SmootherFrOgZ> +1 for both May 21 10:42:35 <quaid> if stahnma is there then (iirc he is), we could partner on that discussion, maybe grab Spot or someone else to talk about why the packaging methodology is great, etc. May 21 10:42:54 <quaid> that discussion == walking around the exhibit hall inviting people to meet with us on Thursday, etc. May 21 10:43:05 <quaid> plus I'll work on it in advance May 21 10:45:10 <smooge> ok I have not set up my travel yet. If RH doesnt mind me being there on the 18th I could come in on the 17th and leave the 22nd. that would let me be there on the 18th for you May 21 10:45:13 <SmootherFrOgZ> +1, i'll be part of the exhibiter at RH summit (including my employer) May 21 10:45:28 * nirik gets in wed afternoon. May 21 10:46:00 <smooge> otehrwise I will be there on the afternoon/evening 18th May 21 10:46:18 <smooge> and able to do stuff on the 19th May 21 10:46:49 <quaid> smooge: +1 to that, that's what I'd prefer, feel free to pass that along to the RH handlers :) May 21 10:47:17 * fab has quit (No route to host) May 21 10:47:34 * izaac ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/izaac) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:47:34 <smooge> ok 3 items left. I will be on travel from 2008-06-03 to 2008-06-11. I need someone to run the meeting on the 4th May 21 10:47:50 * fab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:47:55 * nirik should be around... happy to run the meeting. May 21 10:48:07 <SmootherFrOgZ> same May 21 10:48:08 <smooge> And maybe the one on the 18th :) but I think we will try to do that online May 21 10:48:17 <smooge> or in person.. or somesuch\ May 21 10:48:31 <SmootherFrOgZ> hm...in person could be nice :) May 21 10:48:33 <smooge> actually lets move the 18th meeting to the 19th so we can meet May 21 10:48:51 <nirik> +1 for in person meeting on 19th. May 21 10:49:12 <smooge> ok lets work out the details in email then May 21 10:49:43 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- New Business -- SIG/Project/Elections May 21 10:50:27 <smooge> Ok the next to last topic is getting the governance of this unit down. THere is an EPEL SIG, an EPEL project and probably an EPEL zoo May 21 10:51:01 <quaid> well, there is the whole new viewpoint of SIGs and subprojects to throw in there May 21 10:51:11 <quaid> spoleeba: you around to help here? May 21 10:51:26 <quaid> spoleeba: I like ctyler's matrix bands idea, btw May 21 10:51:27 <smooge> are we 2 different groups with the same governance ;) or just one and what is the connection (ok I realized this from reading other Jeff May 21 10:51:31 <smooge> s blog) May 21 10:51:44 <nirik> well, also part of the confusion I think is due to 'extras' merging with 'core', and epel is kinda like extras was before the merge... but we haven't merged anywher.e May 21 10:51:48 <quaid> I think EPEL is a SIG in that definition May 21 10:52:05 <quaid> with people who are embedded in the other subprojects that EPEL requires to survive -- infra, websites, marketing, docs, etc. May 21 10:52:26 <quaid> that definition == Spaleta-san's May 21 10:52:40 <smooge> ok that sounds like what I was thinking also. May 21 10:52:57 * nirik isn't sure, and isn't sure it matters too much. Call us what you like as long as we can get the things done we need to do. May 21 10:53:02 <spoleeba> quaid, what huh? May 21 10:53:12 <quaid> spoleeba: is EPEL a SIG? or a subproject? May 21 10:53:30 <spoleeba> quaid, in my new world order its a subproject May 21 10:53:39 <spoleeba> quaid, like Fedora packaging is a subproject May 21 10:54:01 <smooge> nirik, my main issue with it is whether we need to have regular elections, what our board structure should be etc so that we aren't seen as not even a meritocracy but an old boys club May 21 10:54:24 <smooge> SIG's seem to need regular elections.. Projects no. May 21 10:54:28 <nirik> well, if we are a SIG, sigs don't do elections. May 21 10:54:37 <smooge> or I could be completely wrong May 21 10:54:43 <nirik> everyone interested joins in and splits up the work the way they like. May 21 10:54:58 <spoleeba> smooge, i dont think there are any rules concerning..governance May 21 10:55:02 <quaid> spoleeba: SIGs -- elections or no? May 21 10:55:05 <quaid> right May 21 10:55:19 <quaid> a SIG could choose to do elections or not, right? May 21 10:55:21 <SmootherFrOgZ> SIGs souhldn't May 21 10:55:35 <spoleeba> quaid, i dont think enough groups have bought in to the new world order..to really know what best practices in terms of governance should be May 21 10:55:48 <smooge> ok... I must have been reading some out of date docs or unapproved stuff or just been snortin the fairy dust again :/. May 21 10:56:05 * nirik always thought SIGS == loose assocation around a common area, and project == elections, more formal setup. May 21 10:56:15 <spoleeba> quaid, a SIG could choose to throw darts...or even yarts May 21 10:56:17 <nirik> but hey, like I said, I don't much care as long as we can do our work. May 21 10:56:24 <quaid> spoleeba: not sure I agree that EPEL == Packaging; I think instead we are relying entirely upon Packaging and built on top of that, to many degrees May 21 10:56:28 <smooge> which is ok.. since I just want to make sure we aren't missing the obvious rules where Jun 1st we should have re-elected everyone. May 21 10:56:39 <spoleeba> quaid, shrug May 21 10:57:01 <spoleeba> quaid, EPEL crosses a lot of easily defined topical software boundaries May 21 10:57:07 <spoleeba> quaid, i wouldnt make it a SIG May 21 10:57:39 <spoleeba> quaid, id find a way to get EPEL role into SIGs that have software which is useful to EPEL users May 21 10:57:51 <quaid> ok May 21 10:58:18 * sereinity ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 10:58:23 <spoleeba> quaid, i refuse to have a world view that is cookie-cutter May 21 10:58:45 <quaid> smooge: so this doesn't help much, but at least we know more of what we don't know May 21 10:58:52 <quaid> smooge: I'd say, take elections discussion to the list :) May 21 10:59:15 <quaid> spoleeba: but star shapes! and pagan holiday trees! and snowdudes! May 21 10:59:17 <smooge> ok ok I think we will put that down that we are currently a SIG so we don't do elections, but we are open to discussing it further with new definitions May 21 10:59:39 <smooge> and move the discussion to the list May 21 11:00:00 <smooge> and the last thing on the list May 21 11:00:13 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- New Business -- New Wiki/New Documents May 21 11:00:21 <spoleeba> smooge, do you have a clear idea of the number of contributors to EPEL at the moment? May 21 11:00:37 <quaid> spoleeba: as a note, it was the Board what set the definition of a project, and that it must have an elected governance, and this is why it matters in the current moment, right? ... so, this is why I ask now of what we are considering, so we can send the right signals and help people with getting ahead May 21 11:00:39 <smooge> spoleeba, no. May 21 11:00:49 <quaid> new wiki! May 21 11:01:05 <nirik> so do we have someone tending the new wiki epel pages? May 21 11:01:07 <quaid> good point, has anyone here looked at the new instance to see if our stuff transferred over well? May 21 11:01:17 <quaid> new instance, to be clear, May 21 11:01:19 <spoleeba> quaid, we actually have a definition of what a project means? May 21 11:01:25 <SmootherFrOgZ> smooge, we have a sort of contributors list May 21 11:01:28 <quaid> is a test instance to test how the ransfer script worked May 21 11:01:30 <quaid> spoleeba: yep May 21 11:02:03 <quaid> not that the wiki is loading for me to point you at it, but it's there May 21 11:02:10 <spoleeba> quaid, shrug... governance mandates are just not that important to me..so i havent even thought about it May 21 11:02:12 <smooge> I have looked at the new pages and they need some love and care.. but most of it is stuff we need to take care of in the current wiki.. after that its uhm how do you make it look pretty May 21 11:02:25 * fabian_a ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #fedora-meeting May 21 11:02:43 <smooge> quaid, search for it in the new wiki.. its faster :) May 21 11:03:22 <smooge> my major goal for the fudcon is to work on each page and get them all edited to what is going on with our current structure May 21 11:03:25 <SmootherFrOgZ> spoleeba, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/ContributorStatusYes May 21 11:03:56 <quaid> spoleeba: it's going to be part of the successful buy-in for the SIG/Subproj model, I reckon, so worth considering or at least addressing in terms of when in the process it should be considered. May 21 11:04:19 <nirik> smooge: cool. You might revamp them more like the top fedora join page... ie, join as a user, package maintainer, ISV, etc... May 21 11:04:25 <smooge> SmootherFrOgZ, thanks.. my no was more on that I do not know who the number of 'active' number out that list. May 21 11:04:32 <smooge> nirik, that is my idea May 21 11:05:01 <smooge> but I had not mentioned it yet.. so you get credit ;) May 21 11:05:29 * smooge has had 8 cups of coffee since 0100 and is getting a bit bouncy May 21 11:05:39 <smooge> ok I think we are running into the next meeting May 21 11:06:10 * nirik needs to go get more coffe soon. ;) May 21 11:06:31 <spoleeba> quaid, governance really comes down to dispute resolution May 21 11:07:23 <quaid> no it doesn't! May 21 11:07:30 <quaid> sorry, couldn't resist May 21 11:07:35 <quaid> +1 to </meeting> btw :) May 21 11:07:44 <smooge> ok /meeting in 5 May 21 11:07:47 <smooge> ... May 21 11:07:48 <smooge> 4 May 21 11:07:50 <smooge> ... May 21 11:07:52 <smooge> 3 May 21 11:07:53 <smooge> ... May 21 11:07:55 <smooge> 2 May 21 11:07:57 <smooge> .... May 21 11:07:58 <smooge> 1 May 21 11:08:00 <smooge> ....... May 21 11:08:15 * smooge has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule May 21 11:08:17 * quaid collapses in suspense May 21 11:08:24 <spoleeba> quaid, as long as a SIG or subproject can articulate there plan for dispute resolution when consensous cant be reached..and can commit to using that process through a release cycle timeframe before ditching it for something else...im cool May 21 11:08:50 * quaid nods **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 11:25:32 2008
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