On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 18:58 +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > On 26 Jan, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Peter Harvey wrote: > > ... > > http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/t6.png > > > > I also need feedback from people on the topic list combobox. Should we > > remove it? Do people still want the flat list? Is anyone having > > trouble with having topics arranged by Selection/Subtopics/Others? > > ... > > I've had a lot of trouble understanding the topics selector in the > various mockups. I think it's quite a bit more complicated than the > bookmark properties windows in other browsers, when the original idea > of topics in Epiphany was supposedly making bookmark management > simpler. > > I think topics could be renamed to keywords, and entered in a single > text field with an autocomplete menu. > ______________________________________________________ > |(x) ::::::::::: “Slashdot” Properties :::::::::::: (-)| > | ________________________________________ | > | Name: [Slashdot________________________________] | > | ________________________________________ | > | Address: [http://slashdo|_________________________] | > | _________________________________ __ _ | > | Keywords: [_________________________________][+v][-] | > |______________________________________________________|
At one time I had such a text entry. You can see some screenshots here: http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/t1b.png Ignoring the duplication between the text entry and the list, the criticism it received was: 1. a "rigid" input format would create problems. 2. it didn't offer an easy way to use the mouse to select topics. 3. we have autocomplete with the treeview so a text-input wasn't improving things for keyboard users. I think I'd need to have these concerns addressed before I tried introducing it again. It is also doesn't help the user manage their list of topics. One key thing I wanted to do with the topic selector was take away the burden of maintaining "consistency" in your bookmarks. For reference, see this animation of how I would bookmark the Epiphany blog, and how it prompts me with the topics that I probably want to select: http://home.exetel.com.au/harvey/epiphany/capture.gif Note that in that animation I have 35+ topics over a wide variety of things. Hunting up-down for Applications and Open-Source, or even *remembering* that I have an Applications topic, is not something I want to have to do myself. > A full menu of keywords would be available from the "+" menubutton next > to the field. > ______________________________________________________ > |(x) ::::::::::: “Slashdot” Properties :::::::::::: (-)| > | ________________________________________ | > | Name: [Slashdot________________________________] | > | ________________________________________ | > | Address: [http://slashdot.org/____________________] | > | _________________________________ __ _ | > | Keywords: [(geek)(news)(tech)_______________][+v][-] | > |___________| architecture 1 |A|____| > | beer 4 |:| > | cricket 4 |:| > | geek 13 |:| > | golf 7 |:| > |_golfing_________________________1_|V| I assume that the numbers represent the number of bookmarks in each topic. Should that perhaps be the number of bookmarks which are in all of the selected topics *and* those topics? Knowing that "cricket" has 4 bookmarks is not useful for a user once he's selected "geek,news,tech" - the bookmark clearly has nothing to do with "cricket". > And once del.icio.us suggestions were implemented, they could be > presented as two buttons that would operate on the contents of the > Keywords field. > ______________________________________________________ > |(x) ::::::::::: “Slashdot” Properties :::::::::::: (-)| > | ________________________________________ | > | Name: [Slashdot________________________________] | > | ________________________________________ | > | Address: [http://slashdot.org/____________________] | > | _________________________________ __ _ | > | Keywords: [_________________________________][+v][-] | > | ( Get Suggestions ) ( Submit Suggestions ) | > |______________________________________________________| I agree with this. I think del.icio.us will eventually be integrated into the "New topic" button or similar. > I think that would be the kind of simplicity that people like Epiphany > for. In all the work I've done, I've been aiming for something subtly different - making the life of users 'easier' by avoiding time spent managing data structures. I liked Epiphany's bookmarks system because you didn't have to think about how to develop a hierarchy, you just selected topics. "Constructing a hierarchical menu automatically" meant that users now had a hierarchy with *zero* effort. What I'm trying to achieve here is "ensuring the user always selects all the topics he intends to", as this is important for topic-based systems. Thanks heaps, Peter. _______________________________________________ epiphany-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
