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I am not familiar with the California accident. Can someone enlighten me? A few years ago two young men were killed in an Ercoupe accident here in Virginia, and I believe that it was determined they were doing aerobatics. Ted Morris: 1946 C15 N2237H -----Original Message----- From: Ercoupe Hangar Flying <[email protected]> To: Ercoupe Hangar Flying <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:58 AM Subject: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying >----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > >Message list: > >1. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif >2. [COUPERS-FLYIN] Need Left wing for Alon A2 >3. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif >4. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif >5. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif >6. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif >7. RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif >8. RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >Messages: > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >Here is an update on the crash: > >http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8267459p-9111225c.html > > >Apparently Ercoupes have rudders on the wings. You learn something everyday > > >Scott > > >---------------------------- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Need Left wing for Alon A2 > >Good Morning, > >I own a 1966 Alon A2 Aircoupe and need to replace its left wing. Does >anyone have a left wing and aileron for an Alon A2? > >Thanks, >Cory > > >---------------------------- >From: "Artie Langston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Artie Langston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >I don't know which is worse - speculation by a journalist who doesn't know what they're talking about, or speculation by some hanger bum who thinks he knows what he's talking about. > >Appaently they found the one guy willing to shoot his mouth off. It sounds like old Don may have seen an Ercoupe once making him "familiar" with it. > >Artie > > >---------------------------- >From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Artie Langston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Coupe-List" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif > > >Yep, Artie. I just e-mailed the writer and offered to help with >fact-checking and providing resources. With the support of you "guys," >we can make sure any information we give her is correct. > >Ed Burkhead >http://edburkhead.com/ >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove the QQQ) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Artie Langston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:53 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SPAM] Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in >Calif > > >----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following >any advice in this forum.]---- > > >I don't know which is worse - speculation by a journalist who doesn't >know what they're talking about, or speculation by some hanger bum who >thinks he knows what he's talking about. > >Appaently they found the one guy willing to shoot his mouth off. It >sounds like old Don may have seen an Ercoupe once making him "familiar" >with it. > >Artie > >======================================================================== >====== >To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > >---------------------------- >From: Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[email protected] >Reply-To: Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif > > >---------------------------- >From: Georgia Trehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Reply-To: Georgia Trehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >Greg, > >You really outdid yourself this time. Greaaaat >writing. Beautiful! > >Spook > > >--- Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >--------------------------------- >At 09:44 AM 3/16/2004 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Here is an update on thecrash: > >http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8267459p-9111225c.html >And here's my email to the author: > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam >http://mail.yahoo.com > >---------------------------- >From: "Don Mack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Artie Langston'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Don Mack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >I have talked to "the press" several times both for personal and business >articles. When you read your "quotes" it is amazing the amount of >information they miss and the amount they add that you never said. > > _____ > >From: Artie Langston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:53 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >I don't know which is worse - speculation by a journalist who doesn't know >what they're talking about, or speculation by some hanger bum who thinks he >knows what he's talking about. > >Appaently they found the one guy willing to shoot his mouth off. It sounds >like old Don may have seen an Ercoupe once making him "familiar" with it. > >Artie > > > >---------------------------- >From: "Tim and Martha Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Greg Bullough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Tim and Martha Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif > >Bravo Greg. > >Your reply is right on the mark. The article and its so-called "expert" >familiar with the Ercoupe is typical of general media ignorance of anything >related to GA. > >Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Bullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe crash in Calif > > > At 09:44 AM 3/16/2004 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Here is an update on the crash: > > http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8267459p-9111225c.html > > And here's my email to the author: > > Ms. Miller: > > Although the Modesto Bee's coverage of the tragic death of two young > people in an Ercoupe in your area has been better than most, your most > recent article contains some mis-information that suggests your > source, Mr. Monaco, may not be as familiar with Ercoupes as he > seemed. > > One quote refers to a possible 'structural failure from being too old.' > > The age of an aircraft does not, in and of itself, cause a structural > failure. Rather, it is the diligence with which the aircraft has been > inspected, maintained, and if necessary repaired which dictates > its structural safety. A poorly inspected or maintained aircraft that > is five years old may be more structurally unsound than a vintage > aircraft which has been properly stored and cared for. > > Contrary to your information, many Ercoupes do have foot (rudder) pedals. > With or without rudder pedals, however, there is virtually no similarity > to an 'automatic car.' Ercoupes require the same level of pilot >proficiency > and sound judgement as any light aircraft of similar performance > characteristics. > > Ercoupes are both highly popular, and they are in fact about ten > percent faster than most other aircraft of similar horsepower from the > same era. > > The Ercoupe does in fact have "the sturdy framework for quick turns." > > However, like many modern aircraft built by Piper, Cessna, and Beechcraft, > it is not designed to safely execute aerobatic maneuvers such loops and > rolls if they are initiated by the pilot in violation of the aircraft >manual. > > Aerobatics must only be performed in properly approved aircraft, by >trained > pilots, while wearing parachutes. > > Once again, '50 years old' (actually, the serial number of the plane in >question > suggests that it rolled off the assembly line 56 years ago) does not in >and of > itself indicate any more 'potential problems' than the average general >aviation > aircraft. Like all aircraft, Ercoupes must be inspected annually by an >FAA-certified > mechanic and declared to be airworthy. Indeed, recent FAA requirements >have > mandated even more thorough inspections of key structural components of >Ercoupes, > as they have with other vintage aircraft. This inspection should recently >have been > completed on the airplane which crashed. > > The accident in Oakdale is consistent with the outcome when a pilot >attempts aerobatic > flight in an aircraft, any aircraft. not designed for such uses. It is >also consistent with > the result of severe structural deterioration of an aircraft's structure, >which would have > been detected in a properly and legally maintained aircraft. > > Properly maintained and operated consistently with its design limitations, >the Ercoupe > is, even when nearly 60 years old, one of the safest and finest general >aviation aircraft > ever designed. > > Responsible commentators will await the result of the NTSB investigation, >which will > make it clear whether it was pilot error or poor maintenance which >resulted in the deaths > of two young people in your area. > > Greg Bullough > > >---------------------------- > > >========================================================================= == === >To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
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