I give up.

All I'm trying to say is an Ercoupe will never be anything but a normal
category aircraft as far as the certification goes.  Some of them just
happen to meet the requirements of LSA and can be flown by sport pilots, but
that's as far as it goes. 

I still bet I can differentiate between a plane and a pilot in a dark
hangar...

John Cooper
Skyport Services
518 797-3064
www.skyportservices.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Burkhead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:02 PM
To: 'John Cooper'; efy
Subject: RE: [ercoupe-flyin] Messin' with the FAA

John wrote:
>  LSA is a certification category.  

Ah, that's the point!  "LSA" ISN'T a certification category.  Special Light
Sport Aircraft IS a certification category as defined by the regulation for
Sport Pilot (which actually amends a bunch of different regs but is
concisely summarized here:
http://sportpilot.org/learn/sp_rule.pdf 

and is elucidated by FAA Order 8130.2F CHG 3  http://tinyurl.com/3br6lv 
which implements FAR 21.191  http://tinyurl.com/2mcqjz 

You wrote:
> Specifically at issue are the parts and maintenance 
> requirements, as well as the pilot rating.  What I was 
> referring to I is that there are no certificated aircraft that 
> are eligible to be lsa certificated.  (Clearas mud, right?)

All aircraft which meet the LSA definition in Part 1, section 1.1
definitions may be flown by a Sport Pilot acting as pilot in command no
matter how they are certified.  That's the key.

And you'd better believe I got a headache parsing those regs and orders!  In
8130.2F chg 3, search down till you find the rules for certifying Special
LSA and also the section for ELSA and read through them.

Kevin, these terms must not be blurred.  They are set out in the items
listed above though you've got to take both two 500 mg Tylenol and at least
650 mg Asprin before you sit down to read them. (Take that last part from
repeated experience.  I helped the Sport Pilot and Sport Aircraft forums
parse these things and we were finding things and citing them to each other
for WEEKS!  I certainly did not find the majority of the key features but I
was first to find some of them.)

Ed



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