Hi Donald,

Skyport has no "dog in the fight" of inactivity or poor maintenance. I always recommend without hesitation or reservation the retrofit of the cups for the "later" 0-rings. Frozen oleos are distinctly uncommon on Ercoupes actively operated and properly maintained. It is always a "new owner" that "discovers" the insufficiency of prior activity and/or maintenance.

Just as there is a huge difference possible between "rebuilding" an engine (factory overhaul vs. "field" overhaul, new limits components vs. acceptable service limits components, etc.) the log book entry you refer to tells you nothing. "Paper" annuals take place, and not uncommonly. Until and unless you get one of those oleos apart, you don't personally know that the cups described in the log were actually installed.

I find it difficult to believe your frozen oleos were actually disassembled three years ago and reassembled with the Skyport cups and brake fluid. Have you tried to contact the mechanic signing off that work? Mechanics that just "go through the motions" and are unfamiliar with Ercoupes more often than not just squirt fluid into the cap as the plane sits static on the floor or ramp without taking the time to see that it hits the piston and comes right back out. "Well, it's full", they incorrectly presume; and another year passes until someone who knows or cares gets involved in the process.

Let's speculate. If they were refilled with hydraulic oil, the cups would have failed and much of the oleo fluid would have exited. It is not my understanding that hydraulic fluid absorbs water (like DOT 3 brake fluid). A cup so deteoriated would not "clean the surface" of the piston or cylinder all around so as to freeze the oleo parts together so solidly as you describe. Just how the oleos would have frozen due to rusting with any hydraulic OIL present at all in the ensuing three years is a mystery to me...a sequence of events unlikely as described. How could water get in there and rust an oil covered surface (absent a flood)?

Oleo pistons and cylinders have no taper or "choke". Accordingly, I find it hard to believe that the accumulation of rust from moisture absorbed by DOT 3 brake fluid would have dimensional effect between annuals presuming a plane to be flown even once a month. To such extent that it did, the process could not occur if non-hygroscopic DOT 5 Silicone brake fluid is used. That's likely as "legal" as a nitrile cup ;<)

Incidentally, it's really a challenge to center the hole in the cup properly (for those that order Wagner cups and "do it themselves"). An off center hole can cause premature failure, I would think...particularly if the cylinder were not properly honed before cleaning and reassembly.

Regards,

William R. Bayne
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(Copyright 2010)

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On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:04, Donald wrote:

At the risk of offending Skyport, which is not my intent, I feel I should share some observations about the MLG upgrade with the brake fluid and "rubber cups". I notice in my aircraft history, about three years ago the MLG struts were totally rebuilt, with new donuts and the Skyport rubber cup upgrade. I recently removed them because they were stuck in the compressed position, making them absolutely solid links. To my surprise, several others quickly reported the same problem! I have been trying to pull them apart with several mechanisms, with no success as of now, in other words they are complete junk, I think I will probably pull the ears off the piston before they break loose. They have been soaking in several types of rust solvent! The problem appears to be that the brake fluid cleans the surfaces and then moisture in the air rusts them, and the first landing they stay compressed. If I ever get them apart, I will share photos of what happened. I would suggest that if you have such strut upgrade, that at least every annual you pull the bottom bolt and drop the bottom part down enough to at least check for corrosion of the piston (and bore). This is a very quick and simple procedure, and costs far less than a replacement set of MLG sturts (if you can even find them). Of course, you must not try to lubricate the surfaces with a petroleoum product because of the incompatibility with brake fluid. I had a spare set of struts with belleville spring washers I used on mine, and I put new O rings and hydraulic fluid. If they leak, I will go for a nitrile cup and stay with hydraulic fluid.
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