Hi Steve,

Let's put this "greater chance" thing, which is correct, into perspective as an overall and properly comparable risk.

First off, any aircraft design with tankage above the centerline of the engine (i.e. all that have gravity fed systems) have a "greater chance" in hard contact with terrain, etc. that ruptured tanks will spill fuel on a possible ignition source. Balancing that should be statistics that show aircraft designs with gravity feed fuel systems have a significantly reduced chance of off-airport landings resulting from fuel pump or electrical failures.

The Ercoupe is a hybrid, of sorts, since our "fuel pump" does not directly supply the engine with fuel, but serves instead to transfer fuel from tanks mounted low in the wings to the higher fuselage tank. Accordingly, the five or six gallons in the fuselage tank would logically pose a somewhat lesser threat than high wing designs that carry most fuel directly above the cabin and its occupants.

Many of the high wing designs have "conventional gear", and so if not flown so as to touch down fully flared at minimum speed would quickly tip forward and flip alighting on a soft surface with more vertical velocity. Aircraft with tricycle gear, as Linda has recently demonstrated, can touch down in a freshly plowed field. The tricycle gear actually helps to prevent nose-over and flipping so long as the landing is not at high speed and a full flare is possible prior to contact.

The "bottom line, here, is that the pilot's goal should be to reduce forward speed to a minimum and land aligned with and not across furrows or other features of terrain. Then, even if the nose gear does collapse, there should be insufficient forward energy to rupture any tanks. When landing on water it would seem that the risk of fire would be minimal, but one would still best either land aligned with the waves or try to touch down in a trough to minimize the danger of being incapacitated by impact and to assure that the aircraft structure retain maximum buoyancy as long as possible.

On the other hand, if one is in a high density altitude condition and takes off but cannot climb, the possibility of flying into rising terrain at full power is a real one likely to result in fatalities. Accident statistics that include post-crash fires following essentially uncontrolled impact should be omitted from any evaluation of dangers posed since risk that is not or can not be "managed" reduces any result to one of mere "luck of the draw", the study of which would seem pointless.

In any survivable accident, I believe it to be unlikely that the firewall will push back so as to rupture the fuselage tank. The danger I see is that the steel control column mounted vertically just below the fuselage tank is driven upward into said tank with sufficient force to rupture a seam (and cause a spark?) or fuel then escapes onto radios mounted below the panel. I don't know if gasoline could short out a radio, etc.

In every case, then, it would seem that the risk genuinely posed is best managed by getting instruction and maintaining proficiency in engine-out procedures that assure (in most cases, not all) that touchdown is at low forward speed and near zero vertical speed.

Regards,

William R. Bayne
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On Jul 10, 2010, at 14:17, ke1lg wrote:


On another GA Yahoo group I belong to,someone remarked that the Ercoupe, especially the 415-C, had a greater chance of fire during off-airport/rough-field landings due to collapse of the nose gear, and the firewall pushing the fuse panel into and igniting the header tank. He even said he personally knew of two pilots who had lost their lives to fire in that circumstance. As a prospective 'Coupe owner, and ex-Luscombe driver, I am really curious if their is any truth to that. My guess is that this has been discussed before, but I have been unable to find any archive information on the topic.

Many thanks,
Steve in Maine

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