Pierce Nichols wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 00:15, David Masten wrote: > > > I had figured that to yaw left decrease left engine thrust and increase > > right engine thrust simultaneously. Since opposite motors generate > > torque in the same direction this should mean no (little) torque change. > > Neither the strategy you propose nor John's strategy eliminate > cross-axis coupling. Both strategies still produces coupling to the roll > axis when maneuvering in both pitch and yaw at the same time. Neither > addresses the coupling that occurs when rolling is combined with > manuevers in those axes. However, I think John is right about being able > to mostly ignore the cross-coupling. If you keep the engine cants small > and make only small control actions, then whatever coupling occurs > should be simply damped out by the control system, assuming that it is > fast and well-damped. > If precision pointing is required, as for a sounding rocket carrying a > telescope or earth-sciences package, then this will not be enough, of > course.
Hmmmm.... in a vehicle with 4 alternate-canted base-mounted engines, I think Pierce is right... there _is_ gonna be a weird cross-coupling: Assume: \ A B << +Pitch C D ^ \ ^ \ | + Roll + Yaw I.e. positive Roll is the way it twists when you fire engines A,D, etc., so we have, for a given R, Yaw, Pitch and Thrust (positive T is all 4 firing equally), and mix with appropriate signs to get engine commands from maneuver inputs: A = T + Y + P + R B = T - Y + P - R C = T + Y - P - R D = T - Y - P + R So if you put in T=2 P=+1 Y=+1 R=0 for a pitch maneuver while climbing: A = 2+1+1+0 = 4 B = 2-1+1-0 = 2 C = 2+1-1-0 = 2 D = 2-1-1-0 = 0 So B and C will combine their lateral forces into a roll torque and a thrust, but A (not balanced by D during the yaw-pitch maneuver) will introduce an unbalanced lateral force at the vehicle base, since it's one of a canted pair and the other isn't firing. This force is going to push sideways on the base - i.e. - at right angles to the intended maneuver. So I ask myself, why doesn't this manifest if we just pulse a yaw pair or a pitch pair for example? Answer - it does, but it's on-axis, so it doesn't skew you sideways - it makes the vehicle either harder or easier to steer in yaw than in pitch, depending on the orientation of the nozzle tilt rectangle - i.e., whether the yaw or the pitch pairs get a more favorable tilt relative to the axis of action of that pair. This would suggest that for easiest steering, the orbital vehicle should in fact make its "horizon turn" as a maneuver on either the pitch or roll axis (depending on which way came out "easy") after selecting the desired azimuth in a vertical roll. -dave w _______________________________________________ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.erps.org/mailman/listinfo/erps-list