On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Alexander Mikhailov wrote: > there is a somewhat theoretical question. It is often > assumed that for bigger (liquid) rockets it's easier > to get the good mass ratio than for smaller one.
Correct, and in general it's true. > Usually one says that the mass of, say, tanks - a > major contributor to the rocket dry weight - is > proportional to the second power of their size... Only very sloppy people say that. :-) Tank loads are primarily pressure loads -- even in pump-fed systems, at least with orthodox designs -- and pressure-vessel dry mass scales with volume, not surface area. As you note, wall thickness has to grow as the pressure vessel grows. > So, where do the savings come from? Is it the case > only for tanks with small inner pressure, so their > wall thickness is determined by other considerations? There is some of that. Notably, "minimum gauge" issues -- how thin a sheet the material comes in, and also possible constraints imposed by the difficulty of handling large but very thin sheets -- often dictate the wall thickness for small low-pressure tanks. A more subtle issue is that it's often easier to apply sophisticated manufacturing techniques to larger systems. > It's also said that if an engine uses a higher chamber > pressure, it has smaller and therefore lighter chamber. Again, only quite naive people say that. Chambers and nozzles are pressure vessels, and higher pressure drives up the wall thickness. Higher-pressure engines actually tend to be heavier, because all sorts of supporting plumbing gets more difficult to make for high pressures. What *is* true, mind you, is that high-pressure engines tend to be more compact. This can matter in systems with volume constraints; notably, the SSMEs must fit within the shuttle orbiter's body cross-section to avoid heating problems during reentry. Henry Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.erps.org/mailman/listinfo/erps-list