On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Luke Hoban <lu...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> Brendan Eich wrote: > >> > Kevin's analysis contradicts your assertion. Expression-bodied > >> > functions with bound |this| (or var self=this outside) predominate in > >> > the code he surveyed. > > >> See thread headed by this message: > > >> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2012-March/021126.html > > Yeah - I followed the earlier discussion on the data Kevin gathered, which > is great input. From the spreadsheet linked in Kevin's mail above, it > looks like 81% of function expressions had statement bodies, and >50% did > not reference this. While these were cast as BTF candidates, they are also > just as much candidates for benefitting from no-frills function shorthand. > > There are a couple of separate topics being tackled simultaneously here > (1) 'function' is cumbersome (2) 'var self = this' is cumbersome (3) '{ > return }' is cumbersome. We can separate concerns if we want, and solve > only a subset of these problems. From Kevin's analysis - solving (1) helps > 100% of function expressions, solving (2) helps 45% of function expressions > and solving (3) helps 9% of function expressions. That's the basis of my > claim that just solving (1) would be a big win. > Your claim is based on assuming that the value of this improvements are all the same. I think this is wildly inaccurate. I don't think the difference between 'function' and any proposed alternative can even be measured scientifically. Maybe after a year of intense training the difference between typing "function" and "fn" could be measured. The difference for readers could be larger, but does anyone have clear measurements showing more symbolic syntax is always faster/better/cheaper or even that any proposal fits this criteria? I think no. I am not claiming that any such test need to be applied. All I am saying is that the net advantage here is not equal to the other categories. On the other hand, failing to bind 'this' is something that I believe every single JS developer hits routinely. It has cost them time to recognize and recover. The net advantage of a better bind mechanism still depends upon many issues, but this problem has much bigger impact that eight vs two characters. The third problem is too obscure for me. Deciding based on Kevin's data to support an alternative to 'function' but not support bound 'this' would be unwise in my opinion. jjb > > Note: Kevin had a follow up where the % of functions with statement bodies > was revised, using examples like 'text => { console.log(text) }'. Since > these don't really hit the 'cumbersome' path in case (3) above, I'm quoting > the original numbers which characterized where problem (3) was a current > pain point. > > Luke > > _______________________________________________ > es-discuss mailing list > es-discuss@mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >
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