On 3 Aug 2012, at 20:34, David Bruant <[email protected]> wrote:

> Le 03/08/2012 12:58, Allen Wirfs-Brock a écrit :
>> substr is in Annex B, which in ES5.1 is an informative annex.  In ES6, the 
>> content of Annex B will be optional normative.  Required for web user 
>> agents, but optional for other hosts.
> Ok. Is it planned to extend ES6-test262 scope to include tests for Annex B?

FWIW, String#substr is mentioned in http://mathias.html5.org/specs/javascript/ 
(as well as in the ES6 draft). I’ve written some tests too: 
http://mathias.html5.org/tests/javascript/string/

> I'm wondering what's the downside of adding it in the normative part of the 
> spec. It's in every browser, it's in Node.js, it's likely to be in MongoDB JS 
> (I haven't tested, but it's based on SpiderMonkey 1.7, and soon V8), likely 
> in all the mostly used JS platforms (which are often based on 
> browser-included JS interpreters).
> It's likely that platforms that support ES6 without substr will suffer from 
> interoperability from libraries/modules that use it and rely on it and will 
> be forced to add substr anyway.

This is why it’s been included in Web ECMAScript/JavaScript, FWIW.

> I guess I should ask the question: Are there known and used platforms that do 
> not include substr? If the answer is no, then it probably should get in the 
> spec for the sake of interoperability.

I couldn’t agree more. IMHO, the whole Annex B should be made normative for all 
engines for interoperability/compatibility reasons.

“Support Existing Content” is one of the [HTML] Design Principles 
(http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#support-existing-content), and it 
would make sense to apply it to ECMAScript as well.

Just my €0.02.
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