On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 15:01 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 01:39:06PM +1000, Mike MacCana wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 21:17 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Mike MacCana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 13:07 -0700, David Lutterkort wrote: > > > > I am pleased to announce a new configuration management project: > > > > Augeas, > > > > a low-level configuration API and editing tool. > > > > > > > > Augeas' main goal is to make programmatic changes of configuration data > > > > on Linux/Unix systems simple and safe. The main stumbling stone for this > > > > is that configuration data is stored in numerous files in widely varying > > > > formats. This is both next to impossible to change and is valuable in > > > > many situations. > > > > > > > > ???The amount of effort spent creating and re-creating tools to parse, > > > > edit > > > > and transform a variety of unnecessary, unstructured data formats over > > > > the > > > > last 30 years, and to continue doing this for the next 10 years, is less > > > > than that required to: > > > > > > > > (create a standard format, proactively patch apps to support a standard > > format, make an editor for that format, and start shipping packages) > > Back in the real world people also want to be able to manage existing deployed > production applications today. Even if you convince upstream to adopt your > grand unified configuration scheme
I'm not proposing to get upstream acceptance of anything. You can't fix these things without pissing a few people off - luckily, upstream doesn't ship operating systems - distributions do. Not saying tools like cfengine, puppet, augeas aren't useful solutions, but let's recognise them for what they are - bandaid solutions. Cheers, Mike ________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Technical Specialist Linux Services IBM Global Services Level 14, 60 City Rd Southgate Vic 3000 Phone: +61-3-8656-2138 Fax: +61-4-8656-2423 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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