Seth,Paul I was wondering if I could get a copy burnt of Debian (woody). It would be great if it had helix-gnome and any other bells and whistles. The install on slink is ok but after playing around with woody and helix.gnome I think I'll stick woody. I guess Potato would be ok too. Include all those good /etc/apt/source.list and I'd be happy. If any of you haven't tried helix.gnome it's worth downloading. It's very clean. I'm liking it more than kde. I like the fact that each virtual window has listed the programs in it not in all of them. I also like the fact you can drag a window from one desktop to another. The only drawback is no keyboard window switching or at least none that I know. Like in KDE if you hit the window key the kde start menu pop's up. These things are minor compared to how much more you can configure gnome ie look and feel. I was wondering if Lubbock was going to be on the server for burning. This way the EUGLUG could test it out. Seth now I now why Lubbock is based on Debian. It's easy to configure what things you would like on it. Tim