would that be _voluntary_ "loss of faith"? volunteering is pretty cool, but as i see "anarchism", it allows you to simply drop in and out of projects as you see fit. this creates confusion and disorder. cooperation requires some sort of order. order requires laws. there must be some way to keep said order. i also see "laws" as social behavior patterns. we each act by our mores and social upbringing. "a form of society without laws or government", to me, can only be practiced by one's self, because cooperation requires laws of a social nature related to how one acts. further, according to definition 3, "proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society." note : ORGANIZED SOCIETY, which is the opposite of definition 4, "chaos; confusion; disorder" i'm not saying "anarchy" is a bad way to live, i'm just saying they need a better word to describe it. as i see it, the only good reason to call it "anarchy" is so "anarchists" have something cool to spray-paint when they tag... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Maujean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EUG-LUG:2333] RE: anarchist conventionalism *big grin* note the _voluntary_ part of def#4 and it makes more sense when describing anarchism. at least as I see anarchism. Seth, please create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:05:25AM -0700, Justin Bengtson wrote: > unaware of definition 3, certainly not looking for an argument, very aware > of definition 1 and 4. > > definition 3 doesn't make sense... matter of fact, it's almost the opposite > of definition 4. (now i am cruising for an argument...) but you know what? > let's just drop it. you keep your views and i'll keep mine. we can both > feel enlightened by our "knowledge" and inside we can both "know" that the > other is wrong. cool? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [EUG-LUG:2320] RE: anarchist conventionalism > > > Justin Bengtson wrote: > > > no sarcasm here. read the definition of anarchy in a respectable > > dictionary. anarchy is best practiced by one's self. cooperation is > > anathema to anarchy. unless, of course, the definition of anarchy has > > suddenly changed on me... > > Looks like it has. I quote the Random House Unabridged, 2nd Edition, > copyright 1993, 1987: > > an.ar.chy ([pronunciation omitted for ASCII reasons]), n. > > 1. a state of society without government or law. > > 2. political and social disorder due to the absense of > governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a > year of anarchy. > > 3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct of coercive > government as a political ideal and that proposes the > cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and > groups as the principal mode of organized society. > > 4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy > followed his loss of faith. > > [1530-40; ( < MF anarchie or ML anarchia) < Gk, anarchia > lawlessness, lit. lack of a leader, equiv. to anarch(os) > leaderless (a- AN-[1] + arch(os) leader + os adj suffix) + > -ia -y[3]] > > So either you were unaware of definition 3, or you're looking > for an argument. You might also be thinking that cooperation > somehow requires government... > > In other news, here's my eug-lug code. I haven't seen anybody > else brave enough to post theirs yet... > > S++ v+ e++ eug++ bsd+ gnu++ Spfd- OCF+++ G9--- D++ BGOL2 efn? > freak++ anarchy- micros~1! > > -- > Bob Miller K<bob> > kbobsoft software consulting > http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher Maujean IT Director Premierelink Communications www.premierelink.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE encrypt all sensitive information using the following: GnuPG: 0x5DE74D38 Fingerprint: 91D4 09FE 18D0 27C1 A857 0E45 F8A4 7858 5DE7 4D38 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5DE74D38
