On 2/7/02 2:25 PM, "Ben Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sheesh, I'll keep my excitement to the activism list, maybe. Or not. I did not mean to sound brash, there. I just felt that it implied misinformation and responded. > What I was reporting to the list about was another "win" for linux. > The press release Sun put out seems clearly like a "win" for linux. As > I see it, linux is gaining momentum b/c it's hard to compete! It appears that it was GNOME's (and GNU's?) win moreso. But, in fact, you're correct, Sun also announced this morning updates to its line of low-end Linux servers (Basically their rebranded Cobalt stuff). (Did anyone else note the emphasis Sun tried to place on "low-end"?). Sun is actually starting to listen to it's customers for once, by integrating more user/admin-friendly things into it's environment. Sure, I can download a .tar.gz file and set up my environment to compile correctly, But why? When I have ports...or apt-get? Sure, I use sed to edit text files, and netcat to browse the web, but why? There are much better tools out there. Finally, Sun is starting to get a clue. > Personally, I do NOT see linux and bsd competing. True, my own [lack > of] experience twists my bias away from bsd, but I do know it to be a > working system, and a good one at that. Incidentally, I was speaking of > the Solaris GUI. I'm sure the OS will live on, Mac OS6 still has a Technically, the brand "Solaris" refers to the combination of the SunOS and graphical components, and a few other proprietary crufty bits. There is no Solaris GUI. There is the well-known Open Windows interface (based on the OpenView API), and the newer (but less-used & crufty) CDE interface. Let's not even discuss sun's old NeWS windowing environment, which I think was actually superior to X11 in a lot of ways. I think I'm the only one in the world who finds Open Windows aesthetically pleasing. Again, not to nitpick or sound anal :-) > great following for instance, and Amiga's even making a comeback. > Granted those are in another boat altogether, but classics will never > die. I guess 'dead' gives the wrong idea. I'm simply impressed that > YACGL (yet another company goes linux)... is this not a major win, or at > least indication of *more* good things to come from Sun? BTW, has > anyone heard about linux at SGI? I had a nice time at their 'linux day' > in Portland a couple years ago, free beer and all. I guess SGI doesn't > mess with x86 much, whereas Sun has adopted x86 a platform or two. > On another note: does anyone use Gnome or KDE (or other X11 WM) on M$ > 'doze, under cygwin?? I know xfree was ported, but I'd love to see > 'panel' compete with the start bar... Again, I don't trust Sun very much. They're a lot like Microsoft, which is what successful businesses are like, most often. I don't see them embracing Linux as much as using it to their advantage. I've never messed with IRIX or 4DWM much, but I'd love to. I used them from a user standpoint in the military (Intel units generally use SGI boxes). SGI's OS has always had an air of mystique about it to me. And, their hardware looks way cool. I know people have gotten GNOME components to run under CYGWIN. I remember seeing screenshots of it running alongside Explorer. Pretty scary. Supposedly, it's no speed hog, though. I've even seen Enlightenment on win32.
