Bruce,

Pardon my ignorance.  Beyond shock resistance, these penetrator 
probes seem to obey KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) which is always a 
good thing, at least in oceanography.  Can you please inform us about 
the Earth analogs that have been working?  Also, any information on 
the Japanese Lunar-A and Russian Mars penetrator probes would be most 
welcomed.

I believe the US military uses depleted U metal for armor-piercing 
bullets, tank armor, etc., so one could use a super-heavy metal like 
Pu for the dual purpose of energy generation and penetration power. 
However, some of the problems with melt-through mechanisms include 
(a) keeping it on path and (b) deflection/stoppage at any non-ice 
boundary (salt, sediments).  Maybe worth a try, though.

Gary


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary McMurtry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:20 PM
>Subject: Re: How to combine the Europa Orbiter and Lander
>
>
>  >
>  > Bruce, et al.,
>  >
>  > My sincere belief is if we can get the "powers that be" in NASA and
>  > JPL to place  a viable lander on the Europa orbiter mission, the
>  > "combo mission", then we can all rest assured that we have made a
>  > significant contribution to the expedition of science.
>  >
>  > Toward that goal, I'm getting involved with some planetary scientists
>  > in proofing the concept of a projectile-like probe that can use
>  > gravity to burrow into the planet's "soil" or ice/salt crust.  Yep,
>  > you guessed it, I'm doing the mass spectrometer development.  Now, as
>  > a marine geologist (dusting off an old hat), we have this device
>  > called a free-fall corer.  It is a perfect sampling tool when you are
>  > not too sure of the exact target or terrain.  One launches several
>  > off the fantail of a ship into the areas of interest, and you can rig
>  > them for various sediment depths.  Also, since you have many, a few
>  > loses are not mission-killers.  I'll tell you more details of this
>  > planetary sampler project when I'm authorized to do so.
>
>
>I think what you're talking about is, simply, penetrators -- which have been
>routinely discussed as a way of exploring Europa (and most other worlds) for
>decades.  The only two attempts to use them for that purpose so far -- the
>U.S. micro-penetrators on Deep Space 2 and the larger Russian ones on Mars
>96 -- both failed, but Japan will make the next attempt in 2003 with large
>ones on Lunar-A, and at some point the technology is bound to work (since
>it's worked routinely on Earth for decades).
>
>A multiple Europa penetrator mission has its definite positive points, and
>in fact the Europa Icepick website (including me) has very often discussed
>them in the past -- namely, the facts that they're light enough that you
>could land several of them on different promising sites during one mission,
>and that they bury themselves deeply enough in the ice to get largely below
>the radiation-scrambled top layer without having to drill.  What we really
>need is a penetrator that doubles as a Cryobot -- that is, that can then
>melt its way a modest distance further down into the ice.  Since this
>doesn't need to be done in any precisely direction-controlled way -- or for
>any great depth -- on this initial mission, maybe the steel tips on the
>penetrators could themselves be stuffed with enough Pu-238 that each
>penetrator would continue slowly melting its way downward after its initial
>impact?
>
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