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Hi guys Is it just my imagination or is there something going on with E-meters, link
10 or
whatever they are called now? Do we have a plague of "profiteers" as I have seen prices
almost $150 higher than when I bought one last year . Or is the product simply out of
production?
I have also seen lots of "out of stock" on the net too. Any one have info on where to
get
them and how to circumvent the "get rich quick" folks out there. Bill
Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
> EV Digest 2428
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) TEVan
> by James Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 2) Unsubscribe
> by "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 3) Re: EV digest 2427
> by billb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 4) Re: TEVan
> by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 5) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 6) Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 7) Re: EV digest 2427
> by "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 8) Re: LED Low Voltage indicator
> by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 9) Unscribe
> by "Bill Bruder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 10) How To Un-Subscribe
> by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 11) Re: charger
> by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 12) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 13) Re: Aspire Range
> by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 14) EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 15) Re: TEVan
> by "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 16) Raptor600 connection info
> by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 17) Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 18) RE: Raptor600 connection info
> by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 19) Re: Raptor600 connection info
> by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 20) RE: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 21) Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 22) RE: Evercel MB80 price
> by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 23) Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> by Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: TEVan
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:05:49 -0700
> From: James Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: EV list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Just when I thought life couldn't get better!
> I arrived home from work an Friday November 1st to find a message from
> my (now favorite) brother inlaw on my answering machine telling me about
> a 1993 Dodge TEVan that was to be auctioned the next day. I was going to
> be out of town for the weekend but he agreed to reach me by cell phone
> and agreed to bid on it for me. I, (we) were the high bidder. I owned a
> second EV! A very clean TEVan with 10,362 miles on the odometer and very
> dead batteries. In the paperwork was a MSDS for nickel iron batteries.
> Tuesday evening the tow truck dropped it at the house in time for my
> birthday. Saturday morning my son inlaw and I towed it 5 miles to his
> house where he has a nice concrete slab outside his shop. Saturday
> morning we started dropping the battery trays to kinda check out the
> watering system and the batteries themselves. First surprise was that
> they were ni-cads! The second surprise was the HUGE Black Widow spider
> above the battery tray that didn't want her picture taken! All the
> batteries checked out ok as did the watering system. I used a 5 Amp
> Variac in front of an isolation transformer with some capacitance after
> the bridge rectifier to start charging the pack. This setup only gave me
> a charge rate of 3 Amps for 48 hours but did indicate that the batteries
> were fairly even. They were down to .327 or lower as they have been
> sitting for at least 6 months. This past Saturday the batteries went
> back in with only one broken fitting on the watering system. I found a
> bad 20 amp fuse that wasn't allowing the 12 Volts to power up and when I
> replaced it and threw the pack disconnect, the "key in the ignition"
> dinger went off as I had the door open. I could have crowed about then
> and maybe I did! If I didn't then I did when I took it off the jack
> stands and drove it around the yard for a few minutes! Of course the
> charge didn't hold very long before the ((B)) red lite came on and the
> fuel gauge was on "E".
> Sunday the order of business was to see if the charging checked out. The
> shop has a 50 Amp welding receptacle just inside the door , so it was
> only a matter of rustling up a 4-11 box and a 4-wire 50 amp receptacle
> to adapt to the charge cords that were in the van. It didn't have much
> of a charge on the batteries, but by 7:30 last night after 6-1/2 hours
> the fuel gauge was sitting on full.
> I drove it home last night. Grinninn from ear to ear for the whole 5
> miles! Tonight after a stop at MVD to register it, I drove around the
> block for 20.6 miles with my fingers crossed that nothing would break.
> Nothing broke! The fuel gauge is still on 1/2 and it was still humming
> along fine, but I got bored. Besides, I thought someone might call the
> cops because some guy kept passing the park and grinning like a damned
> fool!
>
> Ahhh, life is good. It's kind feels like being a proud papa again.
>
> Jim
>
> I haven't posted it to the EVAlbum yet but I added a page for it at my
> web site at qsl.net/ki7cx.
>
> de. . .KI7CX - Jim
> www.qsl.net/ki7cx
> "see you on the radio"
>
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>
> Subject: Unsubscribe
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:55:18 -0800
> From: "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Unsubscribe me
> Too many emails for my inbox.
> I will relist when I get a new address.
>
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>
> Subject: Re: EV digest 2427
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:11:47 -0800
> From: billb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I am wondering if others are having email problems with the EV list
> too? It arives with the topics listing ok but only the 1st couple of
> messages are there???
>
> Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
>
> > EV Digest 2427
> >
> >Topics covered in this issue include:
> >
> > 1) Worm Klez.E immunity
> > by rmerwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 2) Aspire Range
> > by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 3) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 4) Re: Lightweight Jeeps - aluminum mighty mite
> > by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 5) 50 hp 240Vdc shunt motor
> > by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 6) Re: My Charger Is Toast (Not)
> > by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 7) Re: LED Low Voltage indicator
> > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 8) 1984 VW brake light problem
> > by "Sell, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 9) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 10) Re: Lightweight Jeeps - aluminum mighty mite
> > by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 11) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > by "Ed Koffeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 12) My Charger is Toast/Not
> > by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 13) wiring
> > by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 14) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > by jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 15) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > by "Robert Salem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 16) charger
> > by "Elizabeth R. Strautin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 17) Re: Zebras - info and some diary (longish)
> > by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 18) VW Rabbit adapter plate
> > by "Roy Reker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 19) Re: Evercel MB80 price
> > by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 20) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > by gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 21) Re: Aspire Range
> > by "Vince" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 22) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 23) Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 24) Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> > by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 25) Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 26) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 27) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 28) Re: Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> > by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> >
> > Worm Klez.E immunity
> > From:
> >
> > rmerwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date:
> >
> > Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:43:09 -0500 (EST)
> > To:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:45:08 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548)
> >From: Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >I was talking with Brian a few days ago about this as I'm planning
> >another conversion, this time high powered (1000 amp T-Rex), and I
> >wanted to find a contactor that could take it. Don't think I'll be
> >using the CIII... I believe the Wild EVolutions Maniac Mazda uses an
> >Allbright SW200 with upgraded magnets. If it works for them it works
> >for me! I'm only going to have 1 T-Rex, not 4... :-)
> >
> > Seth
> >
> >
> >On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 09:34 PM, Jim Coate wrote:
> >
> >>Brian Matheny recently sent me this description of how a Czonka III
> >>contactor failed by welding shut when carrying (not interrupting) a
> >>brief high current.
> >>
> >>This is of concern to me as I have 2 of these as the main contactors
> >>in my truck and I know some others out there also use them as main
> >>contactors:
> >>
> >>>Brian wrote:
> >>>[...] Tried hooking up the heat in my MR2 last week. Unfortunately
> >>>there is apparently a short in the heater cores or wiring since the
> >>>first time it was switched on it blew the 35A fuse I had inline.
> >>>When I dropped in a replacement fuse it blew in a spectacular
> >>>fashion. Turns out the little Kilovac had welded! Amazing there
> >>>would be enough current since its supposed to interrupt 2000A and
> >>>it seems unlikely the approx 20 feet of 12ga wire feeding the
> >>>heater would allow more than that since the batts are only rated
> >>>for 3000A short circuit. In other words, it seems like they will
> >>>provide you absolutely no possible protection in the event of a
> >>>shorted controller. Just thought you might want to know.
> >>>-Brian
> >>>63,500+ EV miles since 5/97!
> >>>http://home.attbi.com/~bmatheny/ws3f.htm
> >>>
> >>[reposted to the list by permission as Brian isn't on it right now]
> >>
> >>_________
> >>Jim Coate
> >>1992 Chevy S10
> >>1970's Elec-Trak
> >>http://www.eeevee.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
> >
> >http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
> >http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/387.html
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: TEVan
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:16:36 -0600
> From: Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Wow Jim, now that is a great birthday present. Glad to see another TEVan
> rescued from oblivion. Please keep us all informed of your progress.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
> EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:26:23 -0800
> From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Steve Clunn wrote
> This has happed to me while letting somebody else "see what it would do"
> ( I don't think it imprested them ) I by passed the bat and we were on our
> way (this imprested them) . Here is another little trick to finding bad
> connections . With car on charger charging take you meter set to mv and
> take a voltage reading from the + post of bat A to the - post of bat B (like
> you were measuring the voltage drop of the cable connecting the two bats)
> you'll get a reading in the millavoltes (you will have to push hard on your
> probe and have them on the posts). Do a couple and they should be close to
> the same voltage . When you find one with a higher than normal voltage drop
> you know were your problem is . Then measure from the post to the connector
> on each bat and you will know which post and connector to clean . If your
> charging at 10 amps and see an average of 1 millvolts you have 1 mill ohm of
> resistance . 1mR x 20 (bats) = .02 ohms
> this means when you pull 500 amps from you bats your losing 10 volts on your
> battery connections which at 100v is 10% ( more info than you wanted to
> know? ;-) be careful not to get shocked ,don't touch the bats or meter probe
> ends . You could also put a 10 amp load on the batteries and do the test
> that way ( so that bad boy won't bite you ). Hope I explanded this good
> enough as it works better that looking at them although I like Bob's way
> also .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:11 PM
> Subject: Toasted T-125 battery
>
> >
> > So, yesterday my son and I were tooling around in my comutacar, which has
> > a pack of Trojan T-125s (8 of them). On the way back to home, we smelled
> > something burning, and then observed a big cloud of smoke coming from the
> > rear battery compartment.
> >
> > We hopped out, lifted the cover, and one battery terminal was ON FIRE! So,
> > using my super power (bad) breath, I blew it out. (From now on, we will
> > carry a CO2 extinguisher). My 9 year old son was quite impressed. ;-)
> >
> > Well, that battery is toast. The positive terminal melted completely off,
> > and into the battery. Wow.
> >
> > Strange thing is NOTHING ELSE GOT HOT!!???? The 300 A fuse didn't blow,
> > and the battery cables were not any warmer than usual. No shorts were
> > found, etc.
> >
> > So, has anyone ever seen a Trojan (or any other battery for that
> > matter) develop a high resistance that then causes high temp, and then
> > self destructs?
> >
> > I'm going to replace out the battery, and keep close eye on operating
> > current from now on. Any thoughts? It was kinda creepy to have a battery
> > go up in flames!!!!
> >
> > Maybe need a smoke detector in the battery bays. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > --
> > Jon Kenneke KA7PGB
> > Kenneke Communications
> > http://www.kenneke.com
> > Radio Takena KTK
> > Listen at: http://www.live365.com/stations/kenneke
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:24:00 -0800
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Comments inserted...
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marvin Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:30 AM
> Subject: My Charger is Toast/Not
>
> > What I meant to ask was: how would you wire an adapter that only makes use
> > of one of the hots? My car plugs into a 14-50 (220) in my garage, but only
> > one of the hots is attached inside the plug, so it's only getting 110, but
> I
> > can run my charger at 30A.
> >
> > It's easy with the 14-50 as it has a blade for neutral, two blades for
> hot,
> > and a ground pin. Leave one hot unattached and, voila, 110v!
> >
> > Is there a way to wire an adapter for 6-30 that only uses one of the hots?
>
> No. You need a neutral.
>
> A 240 VAC center tapped autotransformer would fabricate a neutral for you
> from the two hot wires and would provide 60 amps of 120 for you to use. I
> would recomment it.
>
> It is not wise to use the ground as a neutral because the ground wire is not
> rated for carrying as much current as the breaker will pass.
>
> > > As you said, both hot legs should be 120 from neutral.
> >
> > And where is the neutral on a 6-30?
>
> It does not leave the breaker panel.
>
> > > It should have worked.
> >
> > And it would have worked if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
> > (Sorry...obscure Scooby Doo reference)
>
> I recognized it.
>
> > Yeah, that PFC-50 looks like just the ticket to me! With all the buck
> > enhancements!
>
> I have one. They are great on anything above a 10 amp circuit. It comes on
> with as little as 50 volts on the input. I am converting one to run off DC.
> It runs cool enough that it should put out over 100 amps. The PFC-20 has a
> better power factor under about 10 amps of line current
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: EV digest 2427
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:31:15 -0800
> From: "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I am using a hotmail account so I only get my first 2megs of email. This is
> fine when I am home, but not when I am away for more than 12 hours.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "billb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: EV digest 2427
>
> > I am wondering if others are having email problems with the EV list
> > too? It arives with the topics listing ok but only the 1st couple of
> > messages are there???
> >
> > Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
> >
> > > EV Digest 2427
> > >
> > >Topics covered in this issue include:
> > >
> > > 1) Worm Klez.E immunity
> > > by rmerwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 2) Aspire Range
> > > by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 3) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > > by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 4) Re: Lightweight Jeeps - aluminum mighty mite
> > > by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 5) 50 hp 240Vdc shunt motor
> > > by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 6) Re: My Charger Is Toast (Not)
> > > by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 7) Re: LED Low Voltage indicator
> > > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 8) 1984 VW brake light problem
> > > by "Sell, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 9) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > > by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 10) Re: Lightweight Jeeps - aluminum mighty mite
> > > by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 11) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > > by "Ed Koffeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 12) My Charger is Toast/Not
> > > by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 13) wiring
> > > by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 14) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > > by jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 15) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > > by "Robert Salem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 16) charger
> > > by "Elizabeth R. Strautin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 17) Re: Zebras - info and some diary (longish)
> > > by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 18) VW Rabbit adapter plate
> > > by "Roy Reker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 19) Re: Evercel MB80 price
> > > by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 20) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > > by gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 21) Re: Aspire Range
> > > by "Vince" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 22) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 23) Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> > > by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 24) Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> > > by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 25) Re: My Charger is Toast/Not
> > > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 26) Re: 1984 VW brake light problem
> > > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 27) Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> > > by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 28) Re: Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> > > by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > > Worm Klez.E immunity
> > > From:
> > >
> > > rmerwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date:
> > >
> > > Mon, 18 Nov 2002 02:43:09 -0500 (EST)
> > > To:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:45:08 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: Czonka 3 contactors not safe?
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> > >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548)
> > >From: Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >I was talking with Brian a few days ago about this as I'm planning
> > >another conversion, this time high powered (1000 amp T-Rex), and I
> > >wanted to find a contactor that could take it. Don't think I'll be
> > >using the CIII... I believe the Wild EVolutions Maniac Mazda uses an
> > >Allbright SW200 with upgraded magnets. If it works for them it works
> > >for me! I'm only going to have 1 T-Rex, not 4... :-)
> > >
> > > Seth
> > >
> > >
> > >On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 09:34 PM, Jim Coate wrote:
> > >
> > >>Brian Matheny recently sent me this description of how a Czonka III
> > >>contactor failed by welding shut when carrying (not interrupting) a
> > >>brief high current.
> > >>
> > >>This is of concern to me as I have 2 of these as the main contactors
> > >>in my truck and I know some others out there also use them as main
> > >>contactors:
> > >>
> > >>>Brian wrote:
> > >>>[...] Tried hooking up the heat in my MR2 last week. Unfortunately
> > >>>there is apparently a short in the heater cores or wiring since the
> > >>>first time it was switched on it blew the 35A fuse I had inline.
> > >>>When I dropped in a replacement fuse it blew in a spectacular
> > >>>fashion. Turns out the little Kilovac had welded! Amazing there
> > >>>would be enough current since its supposed to interrupt 2000A and
> > >>>it seems unlikely the approx 20 feet of 12ga wire feeding the
> > >>>heater would allow more than that since the batts are only rated
> > >>>for 3000A short circuit. In other words, it seems like they will
> > >>>provide you absolutely no possible protection in the event of a
> > >>>shorted controller. Just thought you might want to know.
> > >>>-Brian
> > >>>63,500+ EV miles since 5/97!
> > >>>http://home.attbi.com/~bmatheny/ws3f.htm
> > >>>
> > >>[reposted to the list by permission as Brian isn't on it right now]
> > >>
> > >>_________
> > >>Jim Coate
> > >>1992 Chevy S10
> > >>1970's Elec-Trak
> > >>http://www.eeevee.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
> > >
> > >http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
> > >http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/387.html
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: LED Low Voltage indicator
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:38:45 -0800
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The insulation needs to be rated for pack voltage.
>
> If you use the small wire at the battery you will save the sheathed wire
> from frying. In automobiles, they call these "Fusible Links."
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Coate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: LED Low Voltage indicator
>
> > As in use #30 wire for the entire run (ribbon cable etc) or use a larger
> > gage wire for the run with a short length of #30 at the battery
> > terminal? Also, this type of thing always confuses me... does the
> > insulation on the wire need to be rated for the 6 - 12 volts of the
> > battery, or for the 144 - 192 volts etc of the total pack, in case
> > somehow things short together? It occurs to me that telephone/ethernet
> > cable with 4 pairs of #24 would work nicely for each group of 4
> > batteries (and short lengths are easy to come by) but may not have the
> > insulation needed.
> >
> > And thanks Lee for great ideas (as always).
> >
> > Lee Hart wrote:
> > > >> If you want an LED that turns on when battery voltage drops, there
> > > >> are "low battery" LEDs with built-in voltage detectors. For example,
> > > >> a Lumex SSL-LX5093LBI-SRD (Digikey 67-1195-ND, $1.11 each) turns on
> > > >> when the voltage across it drops below 2.5v. For a 10.5v threshold,
> > > >> put an 8v zener in series.
> > > Yes, you want a fuse or fusible device in each wire. Not so much because
> > > the zener or LED might fail, but because the wires themselves may get
> > > accidentally shorted. Real fuses are expensive. For applications like
> > > this, where the exact fusing current and time aren't important, you can
> > > use #30 wire as a fuse, or put a 1/4 watt resistor in series with each
> > > lead.
> >
> > _________
> > Jim Coate
> > 1992 Chevy S-10
> > 1970s Elec-Trak E20
> > http://www.eeevee.com
> >
>
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>
> Subject: Unscribe
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:57:52 -0800
> From: "Bill Bruder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Unscribe me. I'll revisit later.
> Sorry if this is the wrong way to unscribe. I had the instructions in a
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> Bill
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> Subject: How To Un-Subscribe
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:55:43 -0600
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>
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>
> Subject: Re: charger
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:33 -0800
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Try a Guest model 2745
> http://www.boatersworld.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId
> =10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&productId=7080764
>
> Three stage, Switchmode, Waterproof, Literature does not say if AGM
> compatible.
>
> Three separate outputs so all batteries charge independently.
>
> West Marine has something similar at
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1
> 0001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=58457&catalogId=10001&classNum=683&
> subdeptNum=544&storeNum=9
>
> Joe Smalley
> Rural Kitsap County WA
> Fiesta 48 volts
> NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth R. Strautin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:27 PM
> Subject: charger
>
> > We have three Hawker 12GA75 batteries in series. Do any of you have a
> > recommendation for a charger that we could use?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth Strautin
> >
> > "Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
> of
> > trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and
> > success achieved."
> > -Helen Keller
> >
> > Elizabeth Strautin
> > Duke University
> > Engineering '03
> > http://www.duke.edu/~ers7
> >
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Toasted T-125 battery
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:19:53 -0800
> From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Steve Clunn wrote
> sounds like you are not using the automotive type connectors (the ones that
> go around the post and squeeze it ) . I have been getting some nice
> connectors from the bat store here where the connector is soldered into a 00
> cable all for around $9 . Have not had any problems with them . If your bat
> has bolts sticking up from the post and you are using the bolts to connect
> to this is your weak spot . you may be able to have a new stud put on that
> bat .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Toasted T-125 battery
>
> >
> > Thanks all to the help on this one! You are all exactly right: Bonehead me
> > didn't tighten that terminal. So, I learned a good lesson, and it only
> > cost me a new T-125. ;-(
> >
> > In the future, I will use a copper washer above and below the cable, spray
> > with Deoxit, and check tightness. Then, try a short run to feel any
> > heating (or invest in an infrared thermometer). This is only a 24V pack,
> > so it's safe to touch the terminals. But, I appreciate the warning for
> > folks with higher power packs.
> >
> > Which, bring up a question: For folks that have high voltage packs, what
> > is the protocol for tighening/checking terminals? Rubber gloves?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> >
> > > Classic case of a loose connector. If you don't keep all and I mean all
> the
> > > connections tight the loose one will melt. Check the connections often
> if
> > > not sooner. Lawrence Rhodes....
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:11 PM
> > > Subject: Toasted T-125 battery
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So, yesterday my son and I were tooling around in my comutacar, which
> has
> > > > a pack of Trojan T-125s (8 of them). On the way back to home, we
> smelled
> > > > something burning, and then observed a big cloud of smoke coming from
> the
> > > > rear battery compartment.
> > > >
> > > > We hopped out, lifted the cover, and one battery terminal was ON FIRE!
> So,
> > > > using my super power (bad) breath, I blew it out. (From now on, we
> will
> > > > carry a CO2 extinguisher). My 9 year old son was quite impressed. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Well, that battery is toast. The positive terminal melted completely
> off,
> > > > and into the battery. Wow.
> > > >
> > > > Strange thing is NOTHING ELSE GOT HOT!!???? The 300 A fuse didn't
> blow,
> > > > and the battery cables were not any warmer than usual. No shorts were
> > > > found, etc.
> > > >
> > > > So, has anyone ever seen a Trojan (or any other battery for that
> > > > matter) develop a high resistance that then causes high temp, and then
> > > > self destructs?
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to replace out the battery, and keep close eye on operating
> > > > current from now on. Any thoughts? It was kinda creepy to have a
> battery
> > > > go up in flames!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe need a smoke detector in the battery bays. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jon Kenneke KA7PGB
> > > > Kenneke Communications
> > > > http://www.kenneke.com
> > > > Radio Takena KTK
> > > > Listen at: http://www.live365.com/stations/kenneke
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jon Kenneke KA7PGB
> > Kenneke Communications
> > http://www.kenneke.com
> > Radio Takena KTK
> > Listen at: http://www.live365.com/stations/kenneke
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Aspire Range
> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:58:30 -0800
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Using the standard 5speed tranny. 3rd gear seems useful from 25 to 60 mph.
> High speed I use 4th gear. 5th is useful going down hills. Third gear at
> 45 seems good. I can pull every freeway hill at this speed so far. 2nd
> gear seems to pull most hills at 25 mph. 1st gear for the really steep hills
> for one block at a time. I am afraid of welding the comutator to the
> brushes and have started slipping the clutch at some of the very steep
> stops. I have a lot of weight and starting up is slow. I tried reverse on
> a very steep car park ramp and it stalled. A few seconds of that kind of
> abuse will weld things in the motor together. If I loose my speed on a hill
> I have to use use 1st and go 15 to 20mph max. The boards are bare but they
> are covered by the hood. I like them open to cool better. They are just on
> a sheet of plastic with wire ties to hold them in place. 10 batteries up
> front. One in the hump. 8 where the gas tank was and the rear box holds
> 11. It is open around the top (just welded to the frame in a few places. I
> was going to use expanding foam to seal it. It rained and the box got wet
> inside. Hopefully the foam will stop the leak and sound proof the road
> noise. The box is the same level as the orginal spare tire well. All the
> batteries fit under the car and no space was lost in the car. Lawrence
> Rhodes.....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:07:50 -0700
> From: Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: EV Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Just over a year since I backed the Citroen D into the garage under dino
> power for the last time, I completed a small wiring fix, I set my beret to
> a rakish angle and drove her out tonight for a test drive to the
> neighbours. YaHOOOO! IT'S ALIVE!
>
> Ok so there's no body yet, no windshield, and the headlight was a small
> flashlight taped onto the hydraulic line but hey, she has throttle,
> electric forward and reverse, and a cool green lighted "Canadian Electric
> Vehicles Ltd" logo on the dash. Comfy seats, brakes that work, power
> steering. What more could you want? Anyway, the moon is full, who needs
> lights?
>
> The hydraulic pump motor and regulator make a series of whirring and
> clunking noises that impress the heck out of the neighbours when I cruise
> into their driveway and ring the doorbell. I took Larry for a spin to the
> end of their driveway, got Ruth to take an historic picture. Smooth quiet
> power. I'm keeping the speed and amp draw down because I have only one
> string of old 26Ah Hawkers connected; watching the voltage-drop and keeping
> her above 85 volts. Regen is not yet configured. That will come when I
> get the second string of batteries paralleled in and start playing with the
> controller parameters. Today was the 'proof of concept' run which will
> make my upcoming CBC Radio interview a little more credible. Hey, does
> this make me a real EV guy or what? YaHOOOOOOOO! (you guys should know
> that I have invested a lot of personal energy and overcome great personal
> obstacles (related to illness) to get to this point so this is huge for me,
> huge, really big)
>
> She has a Kostov sepex motor (field coils rewound by CEV to better
> insulation specs), the original 4 speed tranny and a Zapi sem-3 96 volt
> sepex controller. The donor is a 1970 Citroen ID. Hydraulics are powered
> by a grossly overworked 0.4 HP treadmill motor with v-belt gear reduction
> (soon to be replaced by one of two much better motors that I have
> acquired). She's got power brakes, steering and hydro-pneumatic voodoo
> suspension. The GVW is perhaps a little shy of the optimal if I end up
> with 16 US 250HC's that I've been planning for, but if it looks bad, I have
> an alternative, a '72 ID Break (station wagon) that I picked up locally a
> couple of weeks ago that has a gvw of 4500 lbs. That sucker has the
> Citromatic transmission. Dare I try to make that work with
> electric? Maybe not. The main reason for getting the station wagon was
> the opportunity to put a bumper sticker on it saying "My other Citroen is
> Electric!" That gross polluter sets off the CO2 alarm in the condo
> underground parking garage when I drive it 100 feet!
>
> Mike Hoskinson
>
> -Edmonton, Alberta, where the provincial Energy Minister recently said (I'm
> not making this up) that most CO2 emissions come from people breathing
> out! Don't hold your breath waiting for green legislation in Alberta.
> :) These guys are owned by the oil companies and will go to any extreme to
> prevent our country from ratifying the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Proud to be a Canadian, not so proud to be an Albertan, except that I've
> one of 3 EV's in this province (and my other car is a hybrid that can go
> 1200 km on less than 40 litres of gas). And proud to be a member of the EVDL!
>
> Gotta get a few winks before the Leonid meteor shower. Hope you guys all
> had clear skies; not too promising here...
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: TEVan
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:51:26 -0500
> From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jim,
> Congratulations! I don't even want to ask how much you paid for this one!.
> NiCd batteries are pretty amazing and one of the few chemistries that will
> survive a discharge down to 0 Volts. The DC/DC converter will discharge
> the batteries
> to about 90 Volts before dropping out. This takes a few months to happen.
> I usually park my van during the winter months to avoid salt and snow.
> I always unplug the main pack from the black control box to prevent
> discharge.
> Well, I'm going to check out the picks on you qsl.net site...
>
> Rod
>
> Just when I thought life couldn't get better!
> I arrived home from work an Friday November 1st to find a message from
> my (now favorite) brother inlaw on my answering machine telling me about
> a 1993 Dodge TEVan that was to be auctioned the next day. I was going to
> be out of town for the weekend but he agreed to reach me by cell phone
> and agreed to bid on it for me. I, (we) were the high bidder. I owned a
> second EV! A very clean TEVan with 10,362 miles on the odometer and very
> dead batteries. In the paperwork was a MSDS for nickel iron batteries.
> Tuesday evening the tow truck dropped it at the house in time for my
> birthday. Saturday morning my son inlaw and I towed it 5 miles to his
> house where he has a nice concrete slab outside his shop. Saturday
> morning we started dropping the battery trays to kinda check out the
> watering system and the batteries themselves. First surprise was that
> they were ni-cads! The second surprise was the HUGE Black Widow spider
> above the battery tray that didn't want her picture taken! All the
> batteries checked out ok as did the watering system. I used a 5 Amp
> Variac in front of an isolation transformer with some capacitance after
> the bridge rectifier to start charging the pack. This setup only gave me
> a charge rate of 3 Amps for 48 hours but did indicate that the batteries
> were fairly even. They were down to .327 or lower as they have been
> sitting for at least 6 months. This past Saturday the batteries went
> back in with only one broken fitting on the watering system. I found a
> bad 20 amp fuse that wasn't allowing the 12 Volts to power up and when I
> replaced it and threw the pack disconnect, the "key in the ignition"
> dinger went off as I had the door open. I could have crowed about then
> and maybe I did! If I didn't then I did when I took it off the jack
> stands and drove it around the yard for a few minutes! Of course the
> charge didn't hold very long before the ((B)) red lite came on and the
> fuel gauge was on "E".
> Sunday the order of business was to see if the charging checked out. The
> shop has a 50 Amp welding receptacle just inside the door , so it was
> only a matter of rustling up a 4-11 box and a 4-wire 50 amp receptacle
> to adapt to the charge cords that were in the van. It didn't have much
> of a charge on the batteries, but by 7:30 last night after 6-1/2 hours
> the fuel gauge was sitting on full.
> I drove it home last night. Grinninn from ear to ear for the whole 5
> miles! Tonight after a stop at MVD to register it, I drove around the
> block for 20.6 miles with my fingers crossed that nothing would break.
> Nothing broke! The fuel gauge is still on 1/2 and it was still humming
> along fine, but I got bored. Besides, I thought someone might call the
> cops because some guy kept passing the park and grinning like a damned
> fool!
>
> Ahhh, life is good. It's kind feels like being a proud papa again.
>
> Jim
>
> I haven't posted it to the EVAlbum yet but I added a page for it at my
> web site at qsl.net/ki7cx.
>
> de. . .KI7CX - Jim
> www.qsl.net/ki7cx
> "see you on the radio"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Raptor600 connection info
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:15:50 +0000
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've managed to get my hands on a used Raptor600
> controller, which will go into my Mini Cooper.
>
> But, there's no remote LED display or rpm pickup,
> and there's no diagram of the connections to the
> green terminal block.
>
> Can anyone send me connection info?
>
> Madman, you got yer ears on?
> ( reply off-list if you like )
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Bebbington
> Electric Mini pickup
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:58:55 -0700
> From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hello to All,
>
> Michael Hoskinson wrote:
>
> > Just over a year since I backed the Citroen D into the garage under dino
> > power....drove her out tonight for a test drive to the
> > neighbours. YaHOOOO! IT'S ALIVE!
> > ...this make me a real EV guy or what? YaHOOOOOOOO!
>
> Congrats, Michael!!! You've certainly come a long way since our early days, when you
>and I
> met over our fondness for our Insights...that was when I told you that they were
>training
> wheels for future EVers....Hah! I saw that EV grin on your face when you drove Blue
> Meanie, but I bet it's a far wider and more pronounced EV grin, now that you've put
>all
> that hard work and dedication into your own EV!
>
> Any possibility you and Gisele can haul your pride and joy to the Canadian EV show
>this
> year for a reunion? We missed seeing you guys at that fun show this past June :-(
>She
> could scout the road ahead in the Insight, while you do the towing duties. Tell you
> what...you bring your EV and the Insight, and I'll do the same, so that guarantees at
> least four 'long-distance-travel' EVers and four cool enviro cars for the show next
>year!
>
> See Ya.....John Wayland
>
> PS: How's ShoeBox Sub #1 working? Still pumping away?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: Raptor600 connection info
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:08:59 -0800
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Richard,
>
> The manual is available online:
> http://www.dcpowersystems.com/r600man.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:16 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Raptor600 connection info
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've managed to get my hands on a used Raptor600
> controller, which will go into my Mini Cooper.
>
> But, there's no remote LED display or rpm pickup,
> and there's no diagram of the connections to the
> green terminal block.
>
> Can anyone send me connection info?
>
> Madman, you got yer ears on?
> ( reply off-list if you like )
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Bebbington
> Electric Mini pickup
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Raptor600 connection info
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:44:35 -0500
> From: Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> check http://www.dcpowersystems.com - they have all the manuals right
> there
>
> Seth
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 08:15 AM,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I've managed to get my hands on a used Raptor600
> > controller, which will go into my Mini Cooper.
> >
> > But, there's no remote LED display or rpm pickup,
> > and there's no diagram of the connections to the
> > green terminal block.
> >
> > Can anyone send me connection info?
> >
> > Madman, you got yer ears on?
> > ( reply off-list if you like )
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard Bebbington
> > Electric Mini pickup
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
>
> http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/387.html
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:09 -0500
> From: "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Michael Hoskinson wrote:
>
> > Just over a year since I backed the Citroen D into the garage
> > under dino
> > power for the last time, I completed a small wiring fix, I
> > set my beret to
> > a rakish angle and drove her out tonight for a test drive to the
> > neighbours. YaHOOOO! IT'S ALIVE!
> >
> > Ok so there's no body yet, no windshield, and the headlight
> > was a small
> > flashlight taped onto the hydraulic line but hey, she has throttle,
> > electric forward and reverse, and a cool green lighted
> > "Canadian Electric
> > Vehicles Ltd" logo on the dash. Comfy seats, brakes that work, power
> > steering. What more could you want? Anyway, the moon is
> > full, who needs
> > lights?
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Congratulations! I remember when you first proposed the idea of
> converting a Citroen DS19 I offered you my sincerest encouragement. I
> think my actual words were, "Are you crazy?"
>
> I am in awe of your boldness, determination and twisted taste in
> automotive transport. Not only did you choose *for your first
> conversion* to convert a car that no one else has done, you also picked
> one with some truly diabolical design elements, then added a sepex
> system for a little more flair. And got it rolling in a year, some of
> which probably involved working in mittens.
>
> I'm sure you have friends who think you should be committed. Just
> remember there are others like me who appreciate exquisitely loopy
> behavior. ;^)
>
> Please keep us posted on your progress.
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:12:18 -0500
> From: Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Can we see some pictures please? What a unique car for conversion!
>
> Seth
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 03:07 AM, Michael Hoskinson wrote:
>
> > Just over a year since I backed the Citroen D into the garage under
> > dino power for the last time, I completed a small wiring fix, I set my
> > beret to a rakish angle and drove her out tonight for a test drive to
> > the neighbours. YaHOOOO! IT'S ALIVE!
> > ...
>
> --
> QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
>
> http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/387.html
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: Evercel MB80 price
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:51:20 -0800
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> John,
>
> No, the price actually appears to be going down.
>
> Your posting on 11/12 showed "pallet" quantity prices as higher than these
> new individual pricing:
>
> TYPE 11/12p 11/18i
> MB100-12 $370 $350
> MB80-12 $310 $294
> MB50-12 $185 $175
> MB40-12 $119 $133
> MB15-12 $ 53
>
> So it's actually looking more encouraging. Your potential order cost (less
> shipping, etc) has gone down from a group buy price of $4030 to buying just
> by yourself for $3822 (5-6% price reduction).
>
> -Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lussmyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Evercel MB80 price
>
> Well, it looks like their prices are going up as they get closer to reality.
> I just called Evercell today, and was told:
> Availability: Late December
> Price: MB40 $133
> MB50 $175
> MB80 $294
> MB100 $350
> No quantity price breaks until the 100+ unit mark.
>
> I just may place an order for 13 of the MB80's, as I am now in the
> situation where my YT's won't quite get me to work. (i.e. they are
> probably down to 85% of new capacity.)
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Bardsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I called the Evercel office in MA a couple days ago and was quoted a
> price for the MB80 of $240 each for quantities of 20 or more. They
> wouldn't tell me when the batteries would be available. I didn't ask
> about shipping, since that price was a show stopper for me. I'm getting
> Optimas instead.
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: EV Grin! Electric Lemon's First Juice.
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:55:01 -0700
> From: Michael Hoskinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks for all the kind words. After part of a night's sleep and a few
> Leonid fireballs witnessed before the clouds rolled in, I still feel like
> that guy in the viagra commercials, bouncing into work.
>
> John, I still have not received word as to whether or not I can get the
> time off next June for REV-2003. If I do, I will make EVery effort to be
> there. After all, I need advice about a stereo for it. :)
>
> I didn't have my camera last night, and Gisele could not make it out for
> the grand first drive (my workshop is 50 km from town). Will rectify that
> tonight and get a picture on the web site. Warning: it doesn't look much
> like a Cit just now - no body at all, just a pair of seats and a
> frame. Hopefully the camera flash will be enough illumination - it gets
> pretty dark out here well before 5pm this time of year.
>
> Gotta figure out a good model name for it. The D in DS and ID (the ID was
> a lower trimline and had manual transmission) was for the motor, so I could
> be justified in calling it an "E". Or, in the style of the bilingual
> Canadian cereal box, the "Electric D Electrique". Or the CitEV.
>
> Decisions, decisions. Also gotta get to work screwing the body back together.
>
> Mike
>
> At 07:58 AM 19/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello to All,
> >
> >Michael Hoskinson wrote:
> >
> > > Just over a year since I backed the Citroen D into the garage under dino
> > > power....drove her out tonight for a test drive to the
> > > neighbours. YaHOOOO! IT'S ALIVE!
> > > ...this make me a real EV guy or what? YaHOOOOOOOO!
> >
> >Congrats, Michael!!! You've certainly come a long way since our early
> >days, when you and I
> >met over our fondness for our Insights...that was when I told you that
> >they were training
> >wheels for future EVers....Hah! I saw that EV grin on your face when you
> >drove Blue
> >Meanie, but I bet it's a far wider and more pronounced EV grin, now that
> >you've put all
> >that hard work and dedication into your own EV!
>
> Yup. Blue Meanie was a real inspiration; proved to me that EV can be fun
> fun fun.
>
> >Any possibility you and Gisele can haul your pride and joy to the Canadian
> >EV show this
> >year for a reunion? We missed seeing you guys at that fun show this past
> >June :-( She
> >could scout the road ahead in the Insight, while you do the towing duties.
> >Tell you
> >what...you bring your EV and the Insight, and I'll do the same, so that
> >guarantees at
> >least four 'long-distance-travel' EVers and four cool enviro cars for the
> >show next year!
> >
> >See Ya.....John Wayland
> >
> >PS: How's ShoeBox Sub #1 working? Still pumping away?
>
> Oh yes.. Beautiful stereo, love that sound.
>
> Mike
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