EV Digest 2684
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by "Humphrey, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: That time of the year again...
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Looking for a scooter
by "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Looking for a scooter
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) RE: Looking for a scooter
by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) hey, my car moves!!!
by "veena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Jack doesn't write the TdS Reports. Mike does.
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Looking for a scooter
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: That time of the year again...
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Looking for a scooter
by "Seth Dallob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16) RE: Escort EV limbo?
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Tranny Removal with Frozen Engine
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Sob... I didn't fry the motor it was the controller..
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 12:51 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, Humphrey, Timothy wrote:
We're talking about 206 turbines. That's an annual budget of $82667.00
just
for rent for a farm that they say will produce enough power for 85000
homes.
Almost $1000.00 per year per home, ain't gonna sell. Drop one of the
zero's
off that rent and I could see it happening.
Umm, I think your math is off a bit.
$82667/year for rent, to power 85000 homes is less than $1/year/home.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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On 3/27/03 12:28 AM, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A nice way to charge EV's in the Midwest.
> I wish we were more progressive in Ohio.
> It would be nice to charge the TEVan with something
> besides coal!
Hey Rod, what you could do is purchase wind generation credits so that some
of the electricity you use can be credited towards electricity generated by
wind power. Several folks in EVA/DC have signed on.
I'm a little sketchy on how all these credit things work. If I can get more
info I'll pass it on.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC Racing Chairman
http://www.powerofdc.com
EVA/DC Webmaster
http://www.evadc.org
144-Volt Ford Escort
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Oops!
Damned Back EMF gets me everytime.
Stay Charged!
Hump
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John G. Lussmyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
>
>
> At 12:51 PM 3/27/2003 +0000, Humphrey, Timothy wrote:
> >We're talking about 206 turbines. That's an annual budget of
> $82667.00
> >just
> >for rent for a farm that they say will produce enough power
> for 85000
> >homes.
> >Almost $1000.00 per year per home, ain't gonna sell. Drop
> one of the
> >zero's
> >off that rent and I could see it happening.
>
> Umm, I think your math is off a bit.
> $82667/year for rent, to power 85000 homes is less than $1/year/home.
>
> --
> John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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1sclunn wrote:
> I have been thinking of different way to deal with the cord...
>
> 2. after many winding and unwinding the cord gets twist in it.
I solve this by winding it in a figure-8. For example, suppose you have
two posts that you are winding the cord on. Instead of winding the cord
clockwise around both posts, you wind it clockwise around one, and
counterclockwise around the other. This results in no twist.
> 3. 120v outlets don't seem to be able to take 8 hours of 15 amps.
My corded mower doesn't draw that much. It runs 10-12 amps in heavy
grass, and I've never tripped the 15-amp breaker even when it hits heavy
wet leaves or other debris.
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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Hi!
Question: I'm thinking about buying an electric scooter. I have looked on
Ebay, and there are a lot of models, from tiny things up to almost mopeds.
I'd like one with lights/real wheels/reasonable motor/good quality. I weigh
210 pounds. Range can be variable.
Any thoughts on good quality ones? I am sure there is a lot of "junk" out
there as well...
Chris
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Christopher Zach wrote:
> Question: I'm thinking about buying an electric scooter. I
> have looked on Ebay, and there are a lot of models, from tiny
> things up to almost mopeds.
>
> I'd like one with lights/real wheels/reasonable motor/good
> quality. I weigh 210 pounds. Range can be variable.
>
> Any thoughts on good quality ones? I am sure there is a lot
> of "junk" out there as well...
Hi Chris,
I lurk on the Zappy list . The consensus there is to stay away from
ebay. Lots of cheap Chinese junk there. Go to a reputable dealer. EV
Deals is one of the best online at http://www.evdeals.com/. Check out
their reviews and industry-leading dyno tests. Also see
http://www.electric-scooter-world.com/ for a look at just about
everything of reasonable quality the industry has to offer. The closest
retail outlet to you that I know of is SkooterCommuter in Bethesda, MD
http://egobikes.com/.
Good luck!
Chris
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hi all
a big thanks to all those who patiently answered my questions. my car
finally runs now as an electric vehicle. but the controller is very bad and
does not take up much current. infact we burnt it twice and reworked on it.
we will be making the systems perfect and taking some tests. we should be
running the vehicle as a HEV once the controller is ready!
veena
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yup, I switched the two.
--- M Bianchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Every year Jack does great coverage of this EVent.
> > Newbies can expect more if his daily Tour de Sol reports to
> > come through on the EV List. Look for them.
>
> Bruce,
>
> I'm sure you were just confused by all that stuff at the end of the
> Report.
> Jack Groh does media publicity for the Tour de Sol. I, Mike
> Bianchi, write
> the Reports.
>
> > Where are the EV charging? etc.
>
> If you look at past reports, there is usually at least one "Tails
> from the
> Charging Trailer" Report. The details don't change much
> year-to-year.
>
> Too answer some of your questions ...
>
> > Are all EVs charging at the same points in a coordinated effort?
>
> Absolutely.
>
> > Where are the EV charging?
>
> They all are plugged into "The Charging Trailer" which is a
> collection of
> outlets of various sizes and capacities and charging paddles. The
> teams must
> provide an extension cord from their vehicle to the plug. All the
> plugs have
> Ground Fault Interrupters (GFI).
>
> > How are they arranging the charging?
>
> There are set times to "go on the plug" and "come off the plug".
> The teams are
> responsible for monitoring their vehicle's charging. If the
> breaker trips,
> they need to notice that and wake up the keepers of the Charging
> Trailer to get
> it reset. There is a lot of team-work between the keepers and the
> individual
> teams, and often between the teams.
>
> There are digital Watt-hour power meters (like the one on the side
> of your
> house that the electric company uses to measure your usage), one
> for every
> charging vehicle, that are monitored by the Tour de Sol. Those
> numbers go into
> the efficiency calculations.
>
> The Tour de Sol rules, including how the various energy sources are
> scored, are
> all spelled out in a pair of PDF documents available from NESEA.
> http://www.nesea.org/transportation/tour/2003RulesEmail.php
>
> > Can someone look and make contact with the Heibao EV team?
>
> Nancy Hazard, Director of the Tour de Sol, tells me that the Heibao
> team is
> planning to come. They are the TBA entry from Whitby, Ontario
> Canada.
>
> > : Wishing I was there :
>
> Bruce, we know you are here in spirit! The support of the EV
> listers over the
> years has been one of the reasons I keep doing this.
> http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports
>
> --
> Mike Bianchi
> Foveal Systems
> 190 Loantaka Way
> Madison NJ 07940-1910
>
> +1 973 822-2085 Voice and Fax
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Create videos of auditorium and classroom presentations without a
> crew?
> Yes!
> http://www.AutoAuditorium.com
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I just picked up one from ebay that was converted from 36v to 48v for an
article in electric scooter magazine. If UPS will ever finally deliver it,
I will post a performance review. But it is maybe a good option to pick a
scooter that you can easily modify to meet your specific requirements.
At 09:30 AM 3/27/2003, you wrote:
Hi!
Question: I'm thinking about buying an electric scooter. I have looked on
Ebay, and there are a lot of models, from tiny things up to almost mopeds.
I'd like one with lights/real wheels/reasonable motor/good quality. I weigh
210 pounds. Range can be variable.
Any thoughts on good quality ones? I am sure there is a lot of "junk" out
there as well...
Chris
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15amp circuits can take 10 amps for a long time. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: That time of the year again...
> >
> > - Gas mowers are smelly, dirty, noisy, unreliable, and high
> > maintenance.
>
> Your telling me
>
>
> .
> >
> > The cord. Someone showed me how to deal with the cord. Run the cord up
> > one arm, over the neck, down the other arm. That keeps the cord right
> > at your hand should you need to move it around and gives you tactile
> > feedback about what the cord may be doing. Mow back and forth and
> > always turn away from the power source.
>
> I have been thinking of different way to deal with the cord problems one
has
> with EV's .
>
> 1. having a long extension cord when most of the time all you will be
using
> is 15 feet /////
> one way I have gotten around this is by having my cord in two coils then
I
> can uncoil the short coil with the male end on it and leave the other all
> coiled up
> 2. after many winding and un winding the cord gets twist in it . ////// I
> have no solution for this one but think there must be a way to wind the
cord
> back up and take the twist out .
>
> 3 120v outlets don't seem to be able to take 8 hours of 15 amps ////////
> don't have a good answer for this , If the charger can controller its self
> than running two cords with two plugs has worked or I have put two mail
ends
> on a cord and pluged them both in , of course the problem is once one is
> pluged in you have a live male end .
>
>
> > They don't cut quite as well and should be sharpened about once
> > a year. you can sharpen them yourself in about 15 minutes with no
> > special tools, but send email if you are interested in the procedure
> > since it doesn't belong on this list.
> >
> In the summer I sharpened mine every day
> Another summer is about to start , I'll be cutting grass from morning to
> night ( my record so far is 18 yards in on day) and yes I'll be making
some
> money but there won't be time for all the EV stuff I'm trying to do.
> The nice thing is WHEN my EV bis starts to make some money or even starts
to
> brake even I'll just let some of my coustermers go. Well I gess I'm
> dreaming here . sorry
> Steve Clunn.
>
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wow.. even if it requires 5 acres per windmill.. say that is 30,000 of
farmland.
and if you paid 5% interest for that money.. that would only be %1,500 a
year.
I guess the land could be worth more.. but then, it usually ends up not
being farmland.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humphrey, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
>
>
> It also says they'll pay the farmers $4000.00 per year per
> turbine. Which
> means they will operate in the Red for their entire life
> cycle. Unless a
> high premium is paid by the customers who would elect wind power.
>
> Take my case for instance, I can leave my house on my way to
> work, and on a
> clear day see the turbines on the ridge on the other side of
> the valley. I
> think it's a beautiful sight. It cost me an EXTRA 1.5c per
> kwh to opt to use
> them. I gladly pay it. Crank it up to a nickel and I think it
> would be a
> hard sell.
>
> We're talking about 206 turbines. That's an annual budget of
> $82667.00 just
> for rent for a farm that they say will produce enough power
> for 85000 homes.
> Almost $1000.00 per year per home, ain't gonna sell. Drop
> one of the zero's
> off that rent and I could see it happening.
>
>
> Stay Charged! (cleanly)
>
> Hump
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Shay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:04 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> >
> >
> > Beware the flaws in this story.
> >
> > The first sentence says a wind farm will be built. Later the story
> > says regulatory approval is needed and legislation is being sought
> > for renewable energy credits. So the wind farm might or might not
> > be built.
> >
> > The story says the project uses no state money. So where will the
> > money come from for the renewable energy credits?
> >
> > The story says today's turbines are 15 times more efficient
> than those
> > made in the 1980s which is utter nonsense!
> >
> > Tom Shay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> >
> >
> > > A nice way to charge EV's in the Midwest.
> > > I wish we were more progressive in Ohio.
> > > It would be nice to charge the TEVan with something
> > > besides coal!
> > > Dare I say Warren Buffet may be called a terrorist by the
> > > Bush adminastrastion, cutting into those oil profits
> > > by producing sustainable energy!
> > >
> > > DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) A massive wind farm of 180 to 200
> > wind turbines will
> > > be built across 200 acres of northern Iowa farm fields, a
> > MidAmerican
> > Energy
> > > Holdings Co. official said.
> > >
> > > "We're here to announce the largest wind facility to be
> > constructed in the
> > > world will be built in Iowa," the company's president
> Greg Abel said
> > during
> > > Tuesday's announcement.
> > >
> > > Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Omaha,
> Nebraska-based company,
> > > Berkshire Hathaway Inc., owns most of MidAmerican Energy.
> > >
> > > The company's $323 million wind farm will generate 310
> megawatts of
> > > electricity, enough to power 85,000 homes, he said.
> > >
> > > Each wind turbine will produce about 1.5 to 1.65
> megawatts of power.
> > >
> > > Currently, the world's largest wind facility is located in
> > Washington and
> > > Oregon and produces 300 megawatts of electricity, Abel said.
> > >
> > > The project will place Iowa third in the nation for wind
> > energy production
> > > behind California and Texas.
> > >
> > > Governor Tom Vilsack said the project fits perfectly with
> > his vision for
> > the
> > > state to increase renewable energy sources, create jobs and
> > help farmers.
> > >
> > > Farmers in northwest and north-central Iowa where the
> > turbines will be
> > > located will be paid about $4,000 a year for each turbine,
> > Abel said.
> > >
> > > The governor has proposed a $50 million fund to promote
> > renewable energy
> > as
> > > part of his economic development plan.
> > >
> > > "This is the beginning of the new Iowa that we've talked
> > about. This is an
> > > example of what can happen in our state if we're willing to
> > act boldly and
> > > act now," he said. "It will enable us to begin the process
> > of marketing
> > our
> > > state as being a forward-thinking state where activities
> > are taking place
> > > notwithstanding the national economy."
> > >
> > > The project, which uses no state money, will require
> > regulatory approval.
> > >
> > > MidAmerican is seeking legislation that will ensure that
> the company
> > > receives renewable energy credits for constructing and
> > owning its own wind
> > > turbines. Current law gives the credits only to companies
> > that purchase
> > > renewable energy from other sources.
> > >
> > > Legislative leaders said they expect to begin working on
> > the bill this
> > week
> > > and plan to have it passed and to Vilsack by early May.
> > >
> > > "You can expect that this will be a high priority issue for
> > us," said
> > House
> > > Speaker Christopher Rants, R-Sioux City.
> > >
> > > MidAmerican customers will benefit because the company
> > negotiated with the
> > > state a rate freeze through 2010.
> > >
> > > Attorney General Tom Miller said his office wanted to
> make sure that
> > Iowans
> > > would not pay more for the generation of renewable energy.
> > >
> > > "It's a wonderful balance, very successfully, of many
> > public policies --
> > the
> > > environment, energy security, consumer rates, economic
> > development in our
> > > state," Miller said.
> > >
> > > Abel said new technology -- today's turbines are 15 times
> > more efficient
> > > than those made in the 1980s -- has made wind energy more
> > cost effective.
> > >
> > > MidAmerican has agreed not to raise electricity costs in
> > Iowa and if the
> > > company generates higher than expected revenues, a portion
> > will be shared
> > > with customers, Miller said.
> > >
> > > MidAmerican Energy Co., based in Des Moines, serves more
> > than 673,000
> > > electricity customers in Iowa, South Dakota and Illinois.
> > >
> > > The company's plans call for the first turbines to be
> > operational by the
> > end
> > > of 2004.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Windmills generally take up far less than 1 acre possibly less than 1/2
acre per turbine.
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 11:09, Crabb, David wrote:
> wow.. even if it requires 5 acres per windmill.. say that is 30,000 of
> farmland.
>
> and if you paid 5% interest for that money.. that would only be %1,500 a
> year.
>
> I guess the land could be worth more.. but then, it usually ends up not
> being farmland.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Humphrey, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:51 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> >
> >
> > It also says they'll pay the farmers $4000.00 per year per
> > turbine. Which
> > means they will operate in the Red for their entire life
> > cycle. Unless a
> > high premium is paid by the customers who would elect wind power.
> >
> > Take my case for instance, I can leave my house on my way to
> > work, and on a
> > clear day see the turbines on the ridge on the other side of
> > the valley. I
> > think it's a beautiful sight. It cost me an EXTRA 1.5c per
> > kwh to opt to use
> > them. I gladly pay it. Crank it up to a nickel and I think it
> > would be a
> > hard sell.
> >
> > We're talking about 206 turbines. That's an annual budget of
> > $82667.00 just
> > for rent for a farm that they say will produce enough power
> > for 85000 homes.
> > Almost $1000.00 per year per home, ain't gonna sell. Drop
> > one of the zero's
> > off that rent and I could see it happening.
> >
> >
> > Stay Charged! (cleanly)
> >
> > Hump
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thomas Shay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:04 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> > >
> > >
> > > Beware the flaws in this story.
> > >
> > > The first sentence says a wind farm will be built. Later the story
> > > says regulatory approval is needed and legislation is being sought
> > > for renewable energy credits. So the wind farm might or might not
> > > be built.
> > >
> > > The story says the project uses no state money. So where will the
> > > money come from for the renewable energy credits?
> > >
> > > The story says today's turbines are 15 times more efficient
> > than those
> > > made in the 1980s which is utter nonsense!
> > >
> > > Tom Shay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:29 PM
> > > Subject: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> > >
> > >
> > > > A nice way to charge EV's in the Midwest.
> > > > I wish we were more progressive in Ohio.
> > > > It would be nice to charge the TEVan with something
> > > > besides coal!
> > > > Dare I say Warren Buffet may be called a terrorist by the
> > > > Bush adminastrastion, cutting into those oil profits
> > > > by producing sustainable energy!
> > > >
> > > > DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) A massive wind farm of 180 to 200
> > > wind turbines will
> > > > be built across 200 acres of northern Iowa farm fields, a
> > > MidAmerican
> > > Energy
> > > > Holdings Co. official said.
> > > >
> > > > "We're here to announce the largest wind facility to be
> > > constructed in the
> > > > world will be built in Iowa," the company's president
> > Greg Abel said
> > > during
> > > > Tuesday's announcement.
> > > >
> > > > Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Omaha,
> > Nebraska-based company,
> > > > Berkshire Hathaway Inc., owns most of MidAmerican Energy.
> > > >
> > > > The company's $323 million wind farm will generate 310
> > megawatts of
> > > > electricity, enough to power 85,000 homes, he said.
> > > >
> > > > Each wind turbine will produce about 1.5 to 1.65
> > megawatts of power.
> > > >
> > > > Currently, the world's largest wind facility is located in
> > > Washington and
> > > > Oregon and produces 300 megawatts of electricity, Abel said.
> > > >
> > > > The project will place Iowa third in the nation for wind
> > > energy production
> > > > behind California and Texas.
> > > >
> > > > Governor Tom Vilsack said the project fits perfectly with
> > > his vision for
> > > the
> > > > state to increase renewable energy sources, create jobs and
> > > help farmers.
> > > >
> > > > Farmers in northwest and north-central Iowa where the
> > > turbines will be
> > > > located will be paid about $4,000 a year for each turbine,
> > > Abel said.
> > > >
> > > > The governor has proposed a $50 million fund to promote
> > > renewable energy
> > > as
> > > > part of his economic development plan.
> > > >
> > > > "This is the beginning of the new Iowa that we've talked
> > > about. This is an
> > > > example of what can happen in our state if we're willing to
> > > act boldly and
> > > > act now," he said. "It will enable us to begin the process
> > > of marketing
> > > our
> > > > state as being a forward-thinking state where activities
> > > are taking place
> > > > notwithstanding the national economy."
> > > >
> > > > The project, which uses no state money, will require
> > > regulatory approval.
> > > >
> > > > MidAmerican is seeking legislation that will ensure that
> > the company
> > > > receives renewable energy credits for constructing and
> > > owning its own wind
> > > > turbines. Current law gives the credits only to companies
> > > that purchase
> > > > renewable energy from other sources.
> > > >
> > > > Legislative leaders said they expect to begin working on
> > > the bill this
> > > week
> > > > and plan to have it passed and to Vilsack by early May.
> > > >
> > > > "You can expect that this will be a high priority issue for
> > > us," said
> > > House
> > > > Speaker Christopher Rants, R-Sioux City.
> > > >
> > > > MidAmerican customers will benefit because the company
> > > negotiated with the
> > > > state a rate freeze through 2010.
> > > >
> > > > Attorney General Tom Miller said his office wanted to
> > make sure that
> > > Iowans
> > > > would not pay more for the generation of renewable energy.
> > > >
> > > > "It's a wonderful balance, very successfully, of many
> > > public policies --
> > > the
> > > > environment, energy security, consumer rates, economic
> > > development in our
> > > > state," Miller said.
> > > >
> > > > Abel said new technology -- today's turbines are 15 times
> > > more efficient
> > > > than those made in the 1980s -- has made wind energy more
> > > cost effective.
> > > >
> > > > MidAmerican has agreed not to raise electricity costs in
> > > Iowa and if the
> > > > company generates higher than expected revenues, a portion
> > > will be shared
> > > > with customers, Miller said.
> > > >
> > > > MidAmerican Energy Co., based in Des Moines, serves more
> > > than 673,000
> > > > electricity customers in Iowa, South Dakota and Illinois.
> > > >
> > > > The company's plans call for the first turbines to be
> > > operational by the
> > > end
> > > > of 2004.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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I have a 1 year old Currie Phat Flyer for sale - I have brand new batteries
for it, and it is in great shape. I weigh 210 lbs. as well and it will take
my 14mph for about 8 miles on a charge. I have a custom basket mounted on
the back wheel, too.
I live in Pasadena, CA. Paid $450, looking for $200.
Contact me if interested.
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From: "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:30 AM
Subject: Looking for a scooter
> Hi!
>
> Question: I'm thinking about buying an electric scooter. I have looked on
> Ebay, and there are a lot of models, from tiny things up to almost mopeds.
>
> I'd like one with lights/real wheels/reasonable motor/good quality. I
weigh
> 210 pounds. Range can be variable.
>
> Any thoughts on good quality ones? I am sure there is a lot of "junk" out
> there as well...
>
> Chris
>
>
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Here's a pic of some of the NY windmills that I was talking about below.
<http://departments.colgate.edu/envir_stud/Newsletter/nov01/wmill-lndscapeB.htm>
IIRC this farmer gets $3000/yr for each. Plus a 15 yr property tax break from the
state. Not really a break, it just states that his property taxes won't go up anytime
within the next 15 yrs as a result of increase in value due to the windmills being
added. (it is and it isn't)
Anyway, the pic shows that he is giving up very little land.
When my Ev becomes my EV these monsters will be powering it.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 27 Mar 2003 11:55:28 -0700
To: EV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> Windmills generally take up far less than 1 acre possibly less than 1/2
> acre per turbine.
>
> On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 11:09, Crabb, David wrote:
> > wow.. even if it requires 5 acres per windmill.. say that is 30,000 of
> > farmland.
> >
> > and if you paid 5% interest for that money.. that would only be %1,500 a
> > year.
> >
> > I guess the land could be worth more.. but then, it usually ends up not
> > being farmland.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Humphrey, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:51 AM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> > >
> > >
> > > It also says they'll pay the farmers $4000.00 per year per
> > > turbine. Which
> > > means they will operate in the Red for their entire life
> > > cycle. Unless a
> > > high premium is paid by the customers who would elect wind power.
> > >
> > > Take my case for instance, I can leave my house on my way to
> > > work, and on a
> > > clear day see the turbines on the ridge on the other side of
> > > the valley. I
> > > think it's a beautiful sight. It cost me an EXTRA 1.5c per
> > > kwh to opt to use
> > > them. I gladly pay it. Crank it up to a nickel and I think it
> > > would be a
> > > hard sell.
> > >
> > > We're talking about 206 turbines. That's an annual budget of
> > > $82667.00 just
> > > for rent for a farm that they say will produce enough power
> > > for 85000 homes.
> > > Almost $1000.00 per year per home, ain't gonna sell. Drop
> > > one of the zero's
> > > off that rent and I could see it happening.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stay Charged! (cleanly)
> > >
> > > Hump
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thomas Shay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:04 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Beware the flaws in this story.
> > > >
> > > > The first sentence says a wind farm will be built. Later the story
> > > > says regulatory approval is needed and legislation is being sought
> > > > for renewable energy credits. So the wind farm might or might not
> > > > be built.
> > > >
> > > > The story says the project uses no state money. So where will the
> > > > money come from for the renewable energy credits?
> > > >
> > > > The story says today's turbines are 15 times more efficient
> > > than those
> > > > made in the 1980s which is utter nonsense!
> > > >
> > > > Tom Shay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A nice way to charge EV's in the Midwest.
> > > > > I wish we were more progressive in Ohio.
> > > > > It would be nice to charge the TEVan with something
> > > > > besides coal!
> > > > > Dare I say Warren Buffet may be called a terrorist by the
> > > > > Bush adminastrastion, cutting into those oil profits
> > > > > by producing sustainable energy!
> > > > >
> > > > > DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) A massive wind farm of 180 to 200
> > > > wind turbines will
> > > > > be built across 200 acres of northern Iowa farm fields, a
> > > > MidAmerican
> > > > Energy
> > > > > Holdings Co. official said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We're here to announce the largest wind facility to be
> > > > constructed in the
> > > > > world will be built in Iowa," the company's president
> > > Greg Abel said
> > > > during
> > > > > Tuesday's announcement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Omaha,
> > > Nebraska-based company,
> > > > > Berkshire Hathaway Inc., owns most of MidAmerican Energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company's $323 million wind farm will generate 310
> > > megawatts of
> > > > > electricity, enough to power 85,000 homes, he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Each wind turbine will produce about 1.5 to 1.65
> > > megawatts of power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, the world's largest wind facility is located in
> > > > Washington and
> > > > > Oregon and produces 300 megawatts of electricity, Abel said.
> > > > >
> > > > > The project will place Iowa third in the nation for wind
> > > > energy production
> > > > > behind California and Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Governor Tom Vilsack said the project fits perfectly with
> > > > his vision for
> > > > the
> > > > > state to increase renewable energy sources, create jobs and
> > > > help farmers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Farmers in northwest and north-central Iowa where the
> > > > turbines will be
> > > > > located will be paid about $4,000 a year for each turbine,
> > > > Abel said.
> > > > >
> > > > > The governor has proposed a $50 million fund to promote
> > > > renewable energy
> > > > as
> > > > > part of his economic development plan.
> > > > >
> > > > > "This is the beginning of the new Iowa that we've talked
> > > > about. This is an
> > > > > example of what can happen in our state if we're willing to
> > > > act boldly and
> > > > > act now," he said. "It will enable us to begin the process
> > > > of marketing
> > > > our
> > > > > state as being a forward-thinking state where activities
> > > > are taking place
> > > > > notwithstanding the national economy."
> > > > >
> > > > > The project, which uses no state money, will require
> > > > regulatory approval.
> > > > >
> > > > > MidAmerican is seeking legislation that will ensure that
> > > the company
> > > > > receives renewable energy credits for constructing and
> > > > owning its own wind
> > > > > turbines. Current law gives the credits only to companies
> > > > that purchase
> > > > > renewable energy from other sources.
> > > > >
> > > > > Legislative leaders said they expect to begin working on
> > > > the bill this
> > > > week
> > > > > and plan to have it passed and to Vilsack by early May.
> > > > >
> > > > > "You can expect that this will be a high priority issue for
> > > > us," said
> > > > House
> > > > > Speaker Christopher Rants, R-Sioux City.
> > > > >
> > > > > MidAmerican customers will benefit because the company
> > > > negotiated with the
> > > > > state a rate freeze through 2010.
> > > > >
> > > > > Attorney General Tom Miller said his office wanted to
> > > make sure that
> > > > Iowans
> > > > > would not pay more for the generation of renewable energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's a wonderful balance, very successfully, of many
> > > > public policies --
> > > > the
> > > > > environment, energy security, consumer rates, economic
> > > > development in our
> > > > > state," Miller said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abel said new technology -- today's turbines are 15 times
> > > > more efficient
> > > > > than those made in the 1980s -- has made wind energy more
> > > > cost effective.
> > > > >
> > > > > MidAmerican has agreed not to raise electricity costs in
> > > > Iowa and if the
> > > > > company generates higher than expected revenues, a portion
> > > > will be shared
> > > > > with customers, Miller said.
> > > > >
> > > > > MidAmerican Energy Co., based in Des Moines, serves more
> > > > than 673,000
> > > > > electricity customers in Iowa, South Dakota and Illinois.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company's plans call for the first turbines to be
> > > > operational by the
> > > > end
> > > > > of 2004.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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On 25 Mar 2003 at 8:25, David Brandt wrote:
> Now, we have moved again, and it is back in range, but
> they won't let me charge at work, which I need to in order to make it back.
Have you looked into alternatives? Electrical outlets are the most
ubiquitous source of energy in the US. Contact some businesses and even
individuals to see if you can leave the car there during the day, perhaps
for a small fee. Some ideas:
- A filling station or convenience store with an outdoor soda machine
- A university or business parking deck with receptacles for machinery
- A metalshop with a welder receptacle
- A residential garage owned by an elderly widow who could use $50 a month
- A supermarket or shopping center with receptacles on the light poles
- Any business with outdoor receptacles (preferably behind the building)
Just look around near where you work and you'll be surprised at the number
of receptacles you see. With some legwork, I bet you'll find someone will
let you use one -- maybe even for free.
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If you're not in a hurry, pull out the spark plugs and dump in a pint or so
of penetrating oil. Leave for a few weeks. Sometimes this will break loose
a frozen engine.
A friend of mine once finished this procedure by putting the transmission in
top gear and pushing the dead car with his other one until it moved. He
very nearly rammed it through the back of the garage. For obvious reasons,
I don't actually recommend this. <g>
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On 26 Mar 2003 at 20:50, Lee Hart wrote:
> There is a huge wind farm near Willmar MN. I've driven by it several
> times, and noticed that almost all of them are idle every single time.
I've seen a few wind farms in travels out west -- I don't recall now exactly
where, but almost all of them were idle, too. Makes me wonder if they were
built just to get a grant or tax benefit, then left to rot unused. Another
possibility: after a few years, some bean counter deemed them to costly to
maintain and ordered them shut down. Or the only people trained to maintain
them were laid off.
OTOH, the ones I saw in the Canary Islands a few years ago were working
hard.
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On 27 Mar 2003 at 9:42, Chip Gribben wrote:
> Hey Rod, what you could do is purchase wind generation credits so that some
> of the electricity you use can be credited towards electricity generated by
> wind power. Several folks in EVA/DC have signed on.
Please post details to the list if available. This is (or should be) of
interest to all EV users. Thanks.
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On 26 Mar 2003 at 14:08, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Gold then red, green and brown on the other
> end. Measures around 14.9k.
You're reading the resistor backwards. Brown is 1, green is 5, red is *100,
so 1500 ohms or 1.5K. Gold means 5% tolearance (accuracy). Check your
ohmmeter scale.
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The ones here are designed to operate at 15 rpm. Quite often they appear idle but I
believe they are not. The weird thing is they all seem to be turning at different
speeds at times. I mean one will be cranking away at 15 rpm and the one right next to
it is doing 5. "Right next to" of course is a relative term, there's probably well
over 1000ft separation.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:55:47 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wind turbines in Iowa?
> On 26 Mar 2003 at 20:50, Lee Hart wrote:
>
> > There is a huge wind farm near Willmar MN. I've driven by it several
> > times, and noticed that almost all of them are idle every single time.
>
> I've seen a few wind farms in travels out west -- I don't recall now exactly
> where, but almost all of them were idle, too. Makes me wonder if they were
> built just to get a grant or tax benefit, then left to rot unused. Another
> possibility: after a few years, some bean counter deemed them to costly to
> maintain and ordered them shut down. Or the only people trained to maintain
> them were laid off.
>
> OTOH, the ones I saw in the Canary Islands a few years ago were working
> hard.
>
>
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