EV Digest 4352
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Home made charge question (where?)
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Static buildup on EVs
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Porsche 9Electric Update -- Truing the taperlock hub
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Introduction
by "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Introduction
by "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: GP3300 Ultimate Racing Battery?
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Max temp during charge
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: GE Ecomagination: For Business, Green is Green(From the green
car congress)
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Comments about GE ecomaignation letter
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) OT: Yahoo archive, was: Re: Charger schematic
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Oxgen/propane brazing - a useful hint
by "Stu and Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Hypothetical charger question
by "Stu and Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Plasma Boy Racing Update
by "Philip Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Bans on Motorized Scooters Increasing - My apology
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) TdS Report #26: WICN Interview with Jim Dunn, Craig Van Batenburg and
Gilles Labelle
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16) Re: Introduction
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Plasma Boy Racing Update
by Brian Staffanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: GE Ecomagination: For Business, Green is Green(From the green car
congress)
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: controller electric noise
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) TdS Report #27: Press Release about Western Washington University's entries
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Answer:
> > To: <[email protected]>
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "mike golub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Home made charge question (where?)
> Where did you post this?
> --- Joe Smalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would say the ripple VOLTAGE is the important
> > factor to life of an AGM. As
> > long as the terminal voltage stays under the gassing
> > voltage, no permanent
> > damage is done.
> >
> > I agree that the ripple CURRENT causes unnecessary
> > heating of the battery.
> > Sometimes you want the heat.
> >
> > PFC chargers have a lot of CURRENT ripple at full
> > load and almost none at
> > light loads near end of charge when it becomes
> > important.
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: Home made charge question
> >
> >
> > > Lee Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Philip Marino wrote:
> > > > > I've read that the batteries are better off if
> > you add some
> > > > > capacitance (a few big electrolytics) to the
> > output of this kind of
> > > > > charger (right after the bridge). Is this
> > really true?
> > > >
> > > > No. 99% of all battery chargers have little or
> > no filter
> > > > capacitors. The ones that do have them to
> > protect the charger
> > > > -- the batteries themselves don't care.
> > >
> > > I'll use one of Lee's own "it depends" here ;^>
> > >
> > > What Lee says may be true for flooded lead acid,
> > however, sealed lead
> > > acid batteries most definitely do care about the
> > ripple current and
> > > voltage. Several manufacturers specify an upper
> > bound on the amount of
> > > ripple the charger is allowed to subject the
> > battery to.
> > >
> > > Among other things, ripple on the output of a
> > battery charger causes
> > > unnecessary heating in the battery.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Roger.
> > >
> >
> >
>
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With static electric shocks also consider the material that your clothes
and the seats are made out of.
My parents' car had plush velour upholstered seats and I was constantly
zapping myself when getting out.
I learnt to hold on to a metal part of the door or frame when I first
put my foot down on the ground - it still meant that the discharge went
through me, but it didn't zap anywhere near as much.
Mark
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From: David C. Navas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 5:08 AM
To: Bob Bath
Subject: Re: Static buildup on EVs
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just curious, all;
> As an ICE, my Civic would shock me in certain times
[...]
> Now as an EV, I get shocked the WHOLE year.
My Sentra does this to me 100% of the time as an ICE.
I've gotten used to using clothed parts of my body to close
doors. It's one of my reasons for wanting to convert a Saturn.
Anyway, my understanding is that this is due to the type of
tires you are using. Not aware of the details, but perhaps
this will point you in the right direction.
-Dave
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It seems many EV conversions run into vibration problems, so I wanted
to make sure my taperlock hub was as true as possible. I did a rough
calculation, and having the flywheel+pressure plate just 6
thousandths off center would lead to about 100 lbs of force at 6000
rpm! Things need to be centered pretty accurately.
My first check on the flywheel had axial peak-to-peak variation
(measured using a dial indicator) of about 7 thousandths, that
corresponded to the taperlock face being a couple thousandths off
(high points were in the same place, and I measured about 3x further
out on the flywheel than the hub). Radial was about 3 thousandths.
I made a rest of softwood wedges (like you'd use for putting in a
door), and lifted the motor onto it with an engine hoist. The wood
was too soft, the motor easily rocked back and forth a bit. So I made
wedges with a 2:1 slope out of hardwood. They were moved together
with long clamps, and the motor sat in the shallow V they made. By
tightening the clamps that end of the motor would rise up a bit, so I
could make it level. I made sure the motor shaft center aligned with
the cutting tool. I used another cutting tool as a spacer, and made
sure the hub face was square to the cutting tool as it moved. I had
to tap things over a bit with a rubber mallet to get everything
square.
I put tape over the upper air holes on the motor to prevent metal
chips from falling in. I used some chunks of steel plate to short the
left ends of the armature and field, and the right ends, putting them
in parallel (recall I have a shunt wound motor). I then clipped on a
lawn tractor battery than spun the motor. It spun I'd guess under 1k
rpm (accurate rpm measurements coming in the future).
I took a two very light cuts across the face of the hub. I measured
with the dial indicator: 0 deflection (improved from about 2 before)!
Yay, I now have a perfect hub face.
The flywheel is a tight fit to the hub. This is good, because that
centers the flywheel. My fit seemed to be really tight, so on the
outer edge I machined off 1/2 thousandths. The flywheel fit was still
too tight to get it on by hand. I took off a 2nd 1/2 thousands. Now
the flywheel just slipped on. The hub axial runout now measured 0.5
thousandths peak-to-peak, meaning I was now only 0.25 thousandths off
center (improved from 3 before)! Yay!
I put on the flywheel, and it measured 5 thousandth's axial
peak-to-peak deflection. Not as pefect as I had hoped, but an
improvement from before. Also, some of those deflections seems to be
local, so I think my average "out-of-plane" is around 2 or 3
thousandths. Radially it was 2 thousandths peak-to-peak, again an
improvement from before.
I did a test spin up, and it runs smooth! Before it was OK, but I
think it runs smoother now (as smooth with and without the flywheel).
You could rest your head on the motor and fall asleep, it is quiet
and smooth enough.
Credit for the idea of machining the hub on the motor shaft goes to
Steve Clunn http://www.grassrootsev.com . I recommend his videos.
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Greetings to all of you. I have been reading your posts for months and it
seems it's time to come out of hiding. I am Richard Rau (last name rhymes
with Cow), and I am in the middle of a voluntary return to Automotive after
25 years in the bicycle industry.
Years ago I was all about pushing the limits of naturally aspirated ICEs.
Now I am having a blast converting a '92 Honda Hatchback. Thanks to all
of you for your insightful posts. And special thanks to those of you who
have helped guide me through the first steps- Ryan, Bob, Rich, Otmar, Rod,
Dave, Ken, and Mike. Your generosity is astounding.
I hope to see you all at future events ... and I'm not forgetting what
Madman told me, "If you show up at Woodburn with your Honda, you'd better do
more than just sit and watch".
Peace,
Richard
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Comments interspersed.
--- D B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> According to Quiet Flyer magazine, this company now produces GP
> 3700
> cells with even more capacity. Steve Neu, of Neumotors.com, did a
> test
> on them last month. He also mentioned he used them for short bursts
> of
> power above 200 amps. Where did you find any graphs on these
> batteries?
> Aloha. David Bettencourt
Thanks for that data point. 200 Amps, that is hard to believe! If
that is the peak power point which occurs at 1/2 voltage: 200A * 0.6
V / 65 g = 1.8 kW/kg!
It is noteworthy the earlier 1.4 kW/kg number was at 0.9 V, well shy
of the 0.6 V power peak.
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 0.9 V * 100 Amps = 90 W
>> 90 W / 0.065 kg = 1.4 kW/kg (!)
>
> Not too bad, but much less than TMF technology (Inspira,
> Bolder).
> How is the self discharge? Shelf life? Cycle life?
I see from your web site the Bolder cells were spec'd at 9 kW/kg and
that you ran at a "mere" 4 kW/kg! Wow!
I don't know about self discharge, shelf life, or cycle life. For the
same weight in batteries range would be about 3x that of lead acid.
Here are my guesses for the "best" racing batteries:
Drag racing: Bolder TMF batteries (not made now, maybe little
Hawker Cyclons are the best thing available now?)
Autocross or land speed: GP3300 for max power for 60 to 120
seconds.
Track: Kokams.
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Quick question: Over the winter I have had the battery sensors set to
fault the Magnecharger if any one of 10 sensors (attached to the copper
battery straps) went above 30 degrees C.
Well, it's a bit warmer here (15c) and after a hard drive the pack is
now at 30 degrees C. I've ramped down the current, but what should be a
safe max temp at the posts for AGM type batteries under charge?
Chris
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I should write them and enclose a picture of my Elec-trak. If they
really want to do something for the air quality, getting rid of
single-lung B&S tractors with Elec-traks will do far more than hybrids
replacing normal cars.
Chris
Ryan Stotts wrote:
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Maybe this is the time to contact GE. I have a GE motor and controller in
my EV. They have been doing this for a long time. Maybe where the big auto
manufacturers won't GE will. LR>......
General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt today announced
"ecomagination," an aggressive GE initiative to bring to market new clean
energy technologies.
I just saw an ad on TV last night for one of their railroad
locomotives. Also the new issue of Newsweek has an ad for that
locomotive in it. Seems they are on a media blitz of some sort.
http://ge.ecomagination.com/
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General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt today announced
"ecomagination," an aggressive GE initiative to bring to market new clean
energy technologies.
However in the same speech he mentions Nuclear Power as an option. Eco
never falls close to that technology. I think green only means money to
these guys. However that is the American way. I want to avoid politics
here but we need to convince these people they can make good clean money
from wind comboed with battery electric vehicles.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
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415-821-3519
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At 07:29 PM 10/05/05 -0700, Dave Cover wrote:
This is the yahoo group I uploaded it to.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev/
<snip>
I thought this was the list that shared the SJSU list. I also thought
everyone on the list might
have access to this location. I didn't realize that there are members of
the SJSU list who are not
Yahoo members and cannot access the file section.
Hi all
I have a dim recollection that some time in the past three to five years,
the general list became aware that there was a yahoo list and archive that
was (effectively) pirating the SJSU list, with no-one responsible for the
SJSU list being aware that yahoo was intending to do this. No please, thank
you or anything. The reason that it was noticed is that spammers and virus
spreaders were harvesting email addresses from the yahoo listings and
archive, and annoying us all. After that the attachment stripping was
implemented, although there had been discussions prior to that of stripping
attachments to save bandwidth.
Such behaviour on the part of yahoo is one of the reasons why I (speaking
for myself only, but there are likely many others on this list who share
the thought) will have as little to do with yahoo as possible.
But it would be good to have a temporary location that we can all simply
and conveniently post images and other common-format files to facilitate
discussions. A host that can store a few megs for a few days or weeks then
delete them is what I have in mind, but not being a computing-type I don't
know how big a deal that would be to implement.
Back to EVs...
James
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When brazing a few days ago, I ran out of acetylene. I hooked up my BBQ tank
and tried to continue. I found that it was very, very difficult to get the
torch lit and to do anything useful because the flame kept going out.
I went to the Web and I found that there is a propane torch tip that is
available that keeps a propane flame going.
Then I found a reference about using an unmodified acetylene tip with a
special lighting method.
The idea is to hold the tip against a piece of scrap steel. Ignite the
escaping propane. Add oxygen, and pull the tip back at an angle as the
flame gets hotter. When the brightest metal heat color is reached, away you
go. There was some discussion about what the correct angle should be.
The first piece of steel scrap that I found was a cut off bicycle bottom
bracket with a stubby 1" tube section. It stood up by itself and thus
became a self-made lighting tool.
On my very first try, I placed the tip against the vertical tube, lit the
propane, added oxygen, pulled the tip back, adjusted the mixture, and went
on my merry way brazing without a hitch. The curvature of the tubing did
not require any special angle. It was pure luck. In fact, I like the
brazing results better than Oxy/Acetylene. Not only is propane cheaper than
acetylene, it is much more convenient to buy.
I am amazed how such a simple hint changed my way of thinking and I am
passing it on should anyone ever need to use it.
BoyntonStu
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Assume the following:
Four adjustable 2 AMP switching power supplies 40 to 60 VDC.
Diode output on each supply for isolation.
Four 12V 33 AH SLA batteries.
Is it possible to use the four supplies (adjusted individually) in a 'set it
and forget it' mode?
BoyntonStu
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You may have discussed this earlier ( if you did, I missed it), but how do
you support this longer Siamese motor shaft?
If you use two bearings ( and, it seems to me, using three would have its
own problems) , is the longer shaft stiff enough to prevent lateral
resonances (shaft whirl) at high motor speeds? The important thing is
probably the shaft diameter in the area between the two armatures.
Also, do you have any pictures of the motor and/or shaft that you could
post?
Phil
From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Plasma Boy Racing Update
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:15:34 -0700
Hello to All,
Things are progressing at an intense rate for both the White Zombie and
Purple Phaze
racing projects.
The company I forklift wrench for, NW Handling Systems, is my newest
sponsor to join the
team. They have given me permission to use my service truck as a track base
vehicle,
complete with its on-board 7.5 kw welder-generator, air compressor, and
sutuffed full with
all my tricked out tools, inverter system, microwave, various lighting
systems, drill
press, grinder, cables, conectors, contactors, etc. This shop on wheels
will be very
helpful for us as it has most everything one might need at a race track,
and, it will be
great advertising for the company, as hundreds of car guys, many of whom
work blue collar
type jobs where forklifts are used, will see it every weekend we're at the
track.
Dutchman Motorsports has completed the high strength stainless steel dual
armature shaft
for White Zombie's new 'Siamese 8' motor....quite simply, it's a work of
art and a shame
to hide it inside the new motor! The Dutchman surprised me with a very
generous amount of
sponsorship help on the new shaft, too, so that really helps.
I delivered the new shaft to Hi Torque Electric this morning on my trip to
central Oregon
for work related duties. Jim Husted and I went over how the new motor will
go together,
and everything from the color of the field sections (purple) to the new
solid copper brush
interconnects that will replace the wimpy stranded wire interconnects was
discussed. After
the armatures, center bearing, and fan are pressed onto the shaft, it will
then be high
speed balanced. When the armature assembly is ready, the motor gets fully
assembled and
hand timed so that both motor sections if run independently, give the exact
same rpm with
the same voltage and current applied. After the fine tuning of timing is
completed, the
end bells will be secured to keep things perfect. The completed Siamese 8
motor fed from a
336V supply, should give White Zombie even more muscle, perhaps as high as
300 hp. The new
hotrod twin armature Siamese 8 will be about 6 inches shorter than were the
two separate 8
inch motors mounted in their dual motor aluminum mount, and will now clear
the car's front
frame rail, allowing us to mount the motor lower and parallel with the road
surface as is
the rear end's input flange. A custom aluminum drive line with turbo 400
sized Spicer
universals will transfer power to the back end. If all goes according to
plan, White
Zombie will be race ready by the end of the month. Minus all drive train
vibration, with a
pack of powerful Hawkers at 336V nominal, a new SCR based Afterburner (for
both turn-on
and turn-off), and weighing less than 2300 lbs., it should be a very fun
ride! The goal is
mid to low 12s at something around 110 mph.
The monster 13" motor for Purple Phaze is coming along nicely, and now has
its variable
timing brush rigging installed. There is approximately 22 degrees of timing
each side of
neutral available. The H100 brush material used in the Zombie's motors has
proved near
ideal for the stuff I've been doing, so Jim ordered and received bigger
versions for the
13 incher. The steel com of this motor is in terrific shape, as is
everything else. Jim
worked over the field coils a bit and rebaked them.
Friday will be a crazed EVer's day, with MadMan Rudman, Father Time, the
new kid Tim Brehm
(gotta get him a suitable nickname), and yours truly heading off from
Portland back over
the mountain to Redmond together. Father Time will bring the new aluminum
drive end bells
for his and my 13 inch motors he created. Madman will be checking out Jim's
motor shop and
giving input on the variable brush timing setup, and Tim will be subjected
to it all.
We're all piling into the Jeep Grand Cherokee, trailer in tow, so we can
haul back the
minitruck and its new power plant. When it's back in town, Tim and I will
begin creating
the design of battery placement and motor-driveline' rear end setup. I'm
also looking for
a bodyshop that can transform the near four decades old truck into a glossy
purple track
rocket, hopefully, sponsoring a lot of the cost in return for receiving
highly visible
advertising as the electric minitruck blows off high powered gas cars :-)
The Exide
batteries are already in my shop, and Marko Mongillo is ready to make
battery trays for
the 29 Orbitals. The Dutchman and I are also scheming another Ford nine
inch setup for the
truck. With the massive torque this motor will make, and with 560 hp of
battery power on
tap, it will 'need' Dutchman axles! Oat says the new Z2K Zilla slated for
this truck, will
be ready near the end of the month.
To add to all the stuff on my plate, Tim and I will be taking Blue Meanie
to a custom
street rod show on Saturday, so we've got to get the Z1K installed, the
four new subs
mounted, and the stereo system back on line. Lots to do, but when your
having this much EV
fun, it's all worth it.
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
Plasma Boy Racing
'We blow stuff up, so you don't have to'
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To all you EV folks out there, I apologize for the mis-post which I thought
was private and going directly to Ken Trough. I am very aware that my
opinions on things other than electric vehicles have no place on this list
and I very seldom screw up as big as this. My deepest apologies.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Bans on Motorized Scooters Increasing - Yahoo! News
That message from Roderick was supposed to be a back channel
communication. It was not intentionally posted to the list and was not
meant to inflame anyone. Please ignore it.
-Ken Trough
Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
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TdS Report #26: WICN Interview with Jim Dunn, Craig Van Batenburg and Gilles
Labelle
WICN Public Radio's "Business Beat" show on May 8, 2005, featured a 30 minute
discussion of the role of alternative fuels and energy systems in American
energy policy hosted by Steve D'Agostino. The guests are all involved with
this year's Tour de Sol. An MP3 recording is available at
http://www.bestrateofclimb.com/businessbeatmay8.mp3
From
http://www.bestrateofclimb.com/businessbeatmay8.htm
Featured:
James Dunn of the Center for Technology Commercialization
Craig Van Batenburg of the Automotive Career Development Center
Gilles Labelle of the Hybrid Center at Westboro Toyota
Toyota, Honda and Ford all have entries in the hybrid-vehicle sector of the
auto market -- as well as in the national 2005 Tour de Sol 100 MPG Challenge to
be held in Saratoga Springs and Albany, NY, May 13-16. A key question stemming
from this event is whether American carmakers -- especially General Motors,
which has a market value of only $15 billion on annual sales of $193 billion as
well as an S&P junk-bond rating -- should get full-blown into the hybrid-
vehicle development game. Or, whether should they instead put most of their
R&D resources into fuel-cell technology - as GM is doing. It may be that
fuel-cell technology eventually becomes a killer app. But if that ever occur,
it could take many years to happen. In the meantime, hybrid vehicles can serve
as a transitional technology to help us start weaning ourselves off fossil
fuels.
During June (2005), this show will be posted in CD quality the WICN Archive
http://www.WICN.org/programs/archive.htm
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hi richard,
welcome. most of the time i lurk as well but
since you spent 25 yrs in the bicycle industry and are
now becoming an EV-er maybe you can help with human
assisted electric bicycle ideas???
--- Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings to all of you. I have been reading your
> posts for months and it
> seems it's time to come out of hiding. I am Richard
> Rau (last name rhymes
> with Cow), and I am in the middle of a voluntary
> return to Automotive after
> 25 years in the bicycle industry.
>
>
>
> Years ago I was all about pushing the limits of
> naturally aspirated ICEs.
> Now I am having a blast converting a '92 Honda
> Hatchback. Thanks to all
> of you for your insightful posts. And special
> thanks to those of you who
> have helped guide me through the first steps-
> Ryan, Bob, Rich, Otmar, Rod,
> Dave, Ken, and Mike. Your generosity is
> astounding.
>
>
>
> I hope to see you all at future events ... and I'm
> not forgetting what
> Madman told me, "If you show up at Woodburn with
> your Honda, you'd better do
> more than just sit and watch".
>
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Richard
>
>
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This reminds me of a little talk I had with my uncle a couple of days ago. He
is restoring a 65 GTO (I think I remember the year right, and it is number 57
out of 120.). He was telling me what they did to its engine to make sure that
it is never beaten. Then proceeded to tell me about another friend that put
$30,000 in his Shelby's engine to make it have XXX amount of HP. I don't
remember, but it was several hundred. Through all this I was barely
interested. I just don't have that much interest in these cars, even though
they are fast. I guess I just didn't understand.
Comparing these to situations, I find it much more fun to listen to John tell
about his progress, making his cars more powerful, faster, and probably funner
to drive. And I still don't understand all he is saying. I guess I really
just think that electric is the better way.
This is probably a poorly written post, but I hope at least some of you got the
message. But it does make me wonder, how much money are you putting in your
motor? It sounds expensive. I would be interested in knowing, if you want to
tell us.
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Hello to All,
Things are progressing at an intense rate for both the White Zombie and Purple
Phaze
racing projects.
The company I forklift wrench for, NW Handling Systems, is my newest sponsor to
join the
team. They have given me permission to use my service truck as a track base
vehicle,
complete with its on-board 7.5 kw welder-generator, air compressor, and
sutuffed full with
all my tricked out tools, inverter system, microwave, various lighting systems,
drill
press, grinder, cables, conectors, contactors, etc. This shop on wheels will be
very
helpful for us as it has most everything one might need at a race track, and,
it will be
great advertising for the company, as hundreds of car guys, many of whom work
blue collar
type jobs where forklifts are used, will see it every weekend we're at the
track.
Dutchman Motorsports has completed the high strength stainless steel dual
armature shaft
for White Zombie's new 'Siamese 8' motor....quite simply, it's a work of art
and a shame
to hide it inside the new motor! The Dutchman surprised me with a very generous
amount of
sponsorship help on the new shaft, too, so that really helps.
I delivered the new shaft to Hi Torque Electric this morning on my trip to
central Oregon
for work related duties. Jim Husted and I went over how the new motor will go
together,
and everything from the color of the field sections (purple) to the new solid
copper brush
interconnects that will replace the wimpy stranded wire interconnects was
discussed. After
the armatures, center bearing, and fan are pressed onto the shaft, it will then
be high
speed balanced. When the armature assembly is ready, the motor gets fully
assembled and
hand timed so that both motor sections if run independently, give the exact
same rpm with
the same voltage and current applied. After the fine tuning of timing is
completed, the
end bells will be secured to keep things perfect. The completed Siamese 8 motor
fed from a
336V supply, should give White Zombie even more muscle, perhaps as high as 300
hp. The new
hotrod twin armature Siamese 8 will be about 6 inches shorter than were the two
separate 8
inch motors mounted in their dual motor aluminum mount, and will now clear the
car's front
frame rail, allowing us to mount the motor lower and parallel with the road
surface as is
the rear end's input flange. A custom aluminum drive line with turbo 400 sized
Spicer
universals will transfer power to the back end. If all goes according to plan,
White
Zombie will be race ready by the end of the month. Minus all drive train
vibration, with a
pack of powerful Hawkers at 336V nominal, a new SCR based Afterburner (for both
turn-on
and turn-off), and weighing less than 2300 lbs., it should be a very fun ride!
The goal is
mid to low 12s at something around 110 mph.
The monster 13" motor for Purple Phaze is coming along nicely, and now has its
variable
timing brush rigging installed. There is approximately 22 degrees of timing
each side of
neutral available. The H100 brush material used in the Zombie's motors has
proved near
ideal for the stuff I've been doing, so Jim ordered and received bigger
versions for the
13 incher. The steel com of this motor is in terrific shape, as is everything
else. Jim
worked over the field coils a bit and rebaked them.
Friday will be a crazed EVer's day, with MadMan Rudman, Father Time, the new
kid Tim Brehm
(gotta get him a suitable nickname), and yours truly heading off from Portland
back over
the mountain to Redmond together. Father Time will bring the new aluminum drive
end bells
for his and my 13 inch motors he created. Madman will be checking out Jim's
motor shop and
giving input on the variable brush timing setup, and Tim will be subjected to
it all.
We're all piling into the Jeep Grand Cherokee, trailer in tow, so we can haul
back the
minitruck and its new power plant. When it's back in town, Tim and I will begin
creating
the design of battery placement and motor-driveline' rear end setup. I'm also
looking for
a bodyshop that can transform the near four decades old truck into a glossy
purple track
rocket, hopefully, sponsoring a lot of the cost in return for receiving highly
visible
advertising as the electric minitruck blows off high powered gas cars :-) The
Exide
batteries are already in my shop, and Marko Mongillo is ready to make battery
trays for
the 29 Orbitals. The Dutchman and I are also scheming another Ford nine inch
setup for the
truck. With the massive torque this motor will make, and with 560 hp of battery
power on
tap, it will 'need' Dutchman axles! Oat says the new Z2K Zilla slated for this
truck, will
be ready near the end of the month.
To add to all the stuff on my plate, Tim and I will be taking Blue Meanie to a
custom
street rod show on Saturday, so we've got to get the Z1K installed, the four
new subs
mounted, and the stereo system back on line. Lots to do, but when your having
this much EV
fun, it's all worth it.
See Ya......John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
Plasma Boy Racing
'We blow stuff up, so you don't have to'
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YES YOU SHOULD
--- Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I should write them and enclose a picture of my
> Elec-trak. If they
> really want to do something for the air quality,
> getting rid of
> single-lung B&S tractors with Elec-traks will do far
> more than hybrids
> replacing normal cars.
>
> Chris
>
> Ryan Stotts wrote:
> > Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> >
> >>Maybe this is the time to contact GE. I have a GE
> motor and controller in
> >>my EV. They have been doing this for a long time.
> Maybe where the big auto
> >>manufacturers won't GE will. LR>......
> >>General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt
> today announced
> >>"ecomagination," an aggressive GE initiative to
> bring to market new clean
> >>energy technologies.
> >
> >
> > I just saw an ad on TV last night for one of their
> railroad
> > locomotives. Also the new issue of Newsweek has
> an ad for that
> > locomotive in it. Seems they are on a media blitz
> of some sort.
> >
> > http://ge.ecomagination.com/
> >
>
>
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Make Yahoo! your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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I bundle my power cables under the right side and the control wires under
the left side of the vehicle. The controller is mounted within a foot of
the motor and all opposing power + & - cables are ty-rapped together. I can
listen to AM radio without static (if I wanted to but always listen to NPR).
mark
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From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: controller electric noise
>
> > 15000 Hz has a wavelength of several miles, so you couldn't "tune" the
> > cable
> > lengths to a specific fraction of a wavlength to minimize their
> > effectiveness as antennae - at least not at that frequency.
> >
>
> Except that we are talking about a SQUARE wave, an enormously powerful one
> at that. A squarewave is effectively made up of numerous sinewaves of
> different frequencies.
> Normally after about the tenth harmonic, these sinewaves have dropped off
> to the point where they are insignificant compared to the original wave.
>
> When you have a really powerful squarewave, it seems to me that some of
> these "insignificant" harmonics will be powerful enough to cause problems.
>
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TdS Report #27: Press Release about Western Washington University's entries
Provided by NESEA ...
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Nancy Hazard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-774-6051 x18
James Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 508-870-0042 x108
NOTE TO ALL MEDIA: Photos are available upon request.
Western Washington University's Vehicle Research Institute Enters Two Top
Contenders In The National 2005 Tour de Sol Championship
Greenfield, MA -- May 10, 2005 -- The two cars entered by Western Washington
University's Vehicle Research Institute are top contenders in the National 2005
Tour de Sol Championship. One of them won the Grand Award in the 2004
Championship. Entries in the Championship competition are ultra-high energy-
efficiency vehicles that aim to produce zero climate-changing oil and carbon
emissions. The 17th annual Tour de Sol, to be held May 13-16 in Saratoga
Springs and Albany, NY, is America's longest-running sustainable-energy and
transportation festival and competition.
Washington University's Vehicle Research Institute (http://vri.etec.wwu.edu/),
located in Bellingham, WA, is returning to the Tour de Sol this year with two
entries and student teams. WWU sees competitions as excellent motivators for
its students. "We need to get off oil, cut greenhouse-gas emissions and use
renewable fuels,'' says Mike Seal, founder and retired director of WWU's
Vehicle Research Institute. ``The Tour de Sol is the only competition in the
country that is helping us get to that goal.''
Mike Seal has built 32 vehicles with his Western Washington University students
over the years, including the vehicle that won the Grand Award in the 2004 Tour
de Sol Championship. Most of those vehicles were purpose-built so they could
reap the benefits of vehicle-efficiency gains due to weight reduction and
aerodynamics. His students also gained experience on how to build very safe,
light-weight vehicles.
This year, WWU is bringing its 2004 Grand Award-winning vehicle, the Viking 23,
as well as its Viking 32 to the 2005 National Tour de Sol. Viking 23 and
Viking 32 placed seventh and third, respectively, overall in the 2004 National
Tour de Sol.
Viking 23, an electric/bio-diesel hybrid, was awarded ``greenest vehicle'' in
the 2002 Tour de Sol, received first place in the ``light-duty, alternative-
fuel, purpose-built vehicle'' category in the 2003 Tour de Sol, and captured
the Grand Award in the 2004 Tour de Sol for ``the light-duty vehicle with the
lowest greenhouse-gas emissions.'' Viking 23, a purpose-built hybrid vehicle
that runs on bio-diesel (a fuel made from vegetable oils), demonstrated that it
emits only 61 grams of greenhouse-gas emissions per mile. This is seven times
less than a conventional 27 MPG gasoline vehicle, which emits 420 grams of
greenhouse-gas emissions per mile, according to the US Department of Energy.
Viking 32, an electric/natural-gas hybrid, uses an internal-combustion engine
that is designed to run on landfill gas, which enables it run without the use
of oil, resulting in greenhouse-gas emissions that are close to zero. WWU
estimates it would take the waste from two cows to create the gas to run this
vehicle for a year (12,000 miles). During the 2005 Tour de Sol, Viking 32 will
run on compressed natural gas because compressed landfill gas is not available
in the Saratoga Springs/Albany area. Viking 32 took first in the 2004 Tour de
Sol in the autocross category and the 350-foot acceleration test. Viking 32
has an aerodynamic design and $800,000 in funding from the Federal Highway
Administration plus $200,000 in matching funds from WWU. It exemplifies safety
and fuel efficiency, and is designed and built to demonstrate new principles of
energy management in an all-composite and carbon-fiber vehicle.
The 2005 Tour de Sol's immediate goal is to bring together manufacturers,
energy suppliers, government officials, news media, consumers and students for
a multi-day "traveling festival" and competition this May 13 through 16 in
Saratoga Springs and Albany, NY. Tour de Sol's eventual goal is to turn
imaginative thinking about a zero oil-and carbon-emission economy into a
sustainable effort that produces substantial profits and a cleaner environment.
Highlights of the 2005 Tour de Sol include:
The Tour de Sol Championship, which is for concept vehicles built by students
and entrepreneurs seeking to achieve zero oil and carbon emissions.
A Monte Carlo-style Rally, which is for hybrid and alternative-fuel vehicle
owners and will feature a 100 MPG Challenge.
Vehicle events, which are designed to create new fun ways of getting around,
such as electric bikes, electric scooters and neighborhood electric vehicles.
A "green car show" on Saturday, May 14, at Saratoga's Spring Auto Show, where
auto manufacturers will join with Tour de Sol competitors to showcase future
vehicle technologies, including three all-new, 30 MPG hybrid SUVs -- from Ford,
Toyota and Lexus - plus natural gas, and hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles, next to
the several hundred antique vehicles that participate in the Auto Show.
An Award Ceremony and 40-vehicle display on Monday, May 16 at Albany's Empire
State Plaza, where NYS Clean Cities stakeholders will join Tour de Sol
participants to celebrate the progress made in New York's tate to integrate
clean advanced vehicles into everyday use as well as to meet key industry and
government representatives.
Monte Carlo-style Rally
Monte Carlo-style Rally vehicles are invited to compete for up to $10,000 and
35 awards for the most fuel-efficient production-hybrid or biodiesel vehicles
(which can be production-line or modified) that travel a minimum of 150 miles
at an average of over 55 MPG. The overall prize money includes $5,000 for the
most fuel-efficient vehicle that breaks the 100 MPG barrier over a range of 500
miles.
To participate, advanced-vehicle owners must join at one of the numerous
starting sites around the US and Canada. After they have topped off and had
their fuel tank sealed, Rally participants must drive to the finish line at
Saratoga Springs by noon on May 14. There, they will get a free fill up with
gasoline or biodiesel, compliments of Stewart's Shops and Environmental
Alternatives, and officials will measure the fuel used and miles driven.
There are 10 vehicle categories. Tires will be pressure checked to be 50 PSI
or less and must have tread. The rally is limited to 50 entries and a total
500-person entourage. All cars must be registered, inspected, insured and meet
federal Department of Transportation regulations. The winners and statistics
about the Rally entrants will be gathered, analyzed and posted at
http://www.TourDeSol.org
Tour de Sol
Over a half million consumers have visited the Tour de Sol since its creation
in 1989 by the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA), and over 40
million print and broadcast exposures accrue from the Tour each year. The Tour
de Sol provides a key platform for vehicle manufacturers, students, and
entrepreneurs to demonstrate future designs and current products that aim
reduce oil and carbon emissions to zero. The event provides news media the
opportunity to provide timely and topical updates on the status of sustainable
energy and mobility.
The New York State Energy Research and Development Authority and the Center for
Technology Commercialization are the event's premier sponsors. Additional key
sponsors include the US Department of Energy, the New York Power Authority,
Toyota, the New York State Environmental Conservation, the Federal Highway
Administration, New York State Parks, Environmental Alternatives, and the
Electric Drive Transportation Association. The Automotive Career Development
Center in Worcester, MA, is a key organizer of the Monte Carlo-style Rally.
NESEA, the nation's leading regional education and advocacy association, is a
not-for-profit 501(c)(3) organization. NESEA aims to accelerate the deployment
and use of renewable energy and energy efficiency by, among other things,
producing major sustainable-energy events that inspire and motivate large
numbers of people to get involved and make a difference. NESEA is a chapter of
the American Solar Energy Society (www.ASES.org), a not-for-profit, 501(c)3
organization dedicated to the development and adoption of renewable energy in
all its forms, including solar energy, wind energy, geothermal energy, hydrogen
energy, ocean energy, biofuels energy, and energy efficiency.
For more information on the 2005 Tour de Sol as well as the Monte Carlo-style
Rally and registration, visit www.TourDeSol.org, or contact NESEA at
413.774.6051. For more information on NESEA, visit www.NESEA.org.
To hear a 30-minute Q&A on why American car makers -- especially General Motors
-- should fully get into the hybrid-vehicle development market, listen to ``The
Business Beat,'' produced by WICN/90.5 FM, the NPR affiliate for Central New
England. The guests are James Dunn of the Center for Technology
Commercialization in Westboro, MA, Craig Van Batenburg of the Automotive Career
Development Center in Worcester, MA, and Gilles Labelle of the Hybrid Center at
Westboro Toyota in Westboro, MA. Listen now at
http://www.bestrateofclimb.com/businessbeatmay8.htm
To join an online conversation on why American car makers should fully get into
the hybrid-vehicle development market, visit the Edmunds.com hybrid-vehicle
forum at
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?13@@.ef7a43c/16.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
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