EV Digest 4409
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Alfa Romeo EV Conversion
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) First ride (was jeff.wilson)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) Another Suggestion (was RE: NO ATTACHMENTS please!)
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Link10 1000amp reading
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: BMW EV conversion question
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Suggestion (was RE: NO ATTACHMENTS please!) Virus
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Another Suggestion (was RE: NO ATTACHMENTS please!)
by Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Can't Plug In At Home in CA???
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: First ride (was jeff.wilson)
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) elec-trak gives neigbors a show.
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Evercels - What to do with them?
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Rabbit front springs
by John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Rabbit front springs
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
by "Rodriguez, Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Evercels - What to do with them?
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Evercels - What to do with them?
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) A description and photos of Battery Welding
by "Stu and Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) OT: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
by "Chris Seeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Richard Rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Discovery Networks
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: Link10 1000amp reading
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: First Ev Outing... long
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) "The Basics" - building an NEV
by Ted Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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If you have the height to do so, there is a better way - brass automotive to
5/16 stud adapters. I use them on my Kingcab, and have since the beginning.
Available from Del City Wire.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Alfa Romeo EV Conversion
> Lee writes:
> >>> - The huge battery cables are excessive for 12v batteries.
> >> What size would you recommend? It has 2/0 now.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I'd certainly not go to the trouble to replace them. If you replace
> > them with SAE lugs (recommended), just lop off the ring terminals
> > and crimp on the lugs.
>
> I agree. Since you already have them, there's no need to replace the
> cables. But I would change the ends to automotive post connectors (I
> think your batteries have both automotive posts and 5/16" studs). I'm
> worried that the 5/16" studs won't hold up.
> --
> If you would not be forgotten
> When your body's dead and rotten
> Then write of great deeds worth the reading
> Or do the great deeds worth repeating
> -- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
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Thanks Bob. If I get there, I'll definitely look you up. I used to own an
ICE '91 teal green Civic hatchback. I loved that car. Sold it to the
neighbor kid for $4k back in '02. He tricked it out with a new computer,
twin turbos, Nitric, phat exhaust, 16" rims and a suspension overhaul. It
ended up with about 220hp. What a pocket rocket.
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From: Bob Bath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeff, if you ever get to Grants Pass, I think you'll
enjoy my lead sled 92 Honda Civic.
(;-p
After owning a Rabbit, (with all respect due Bill), I
just dig my Civvy all the more!
peace,
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Some email clients have a "don't download emails larger than ..."
feature, though they will download the headers so you can decide. If
you set it to 10K, you'll be okay.
Don Cameron wrote:
A tip from the saavy computer user who sometimes gets stranded away from
hi-speed internet: look in your email client for the option "download
headers" this will download just the mail subject and size of the note. It
will not download the content. Then if you see a note with a large size,
you can just delete it. One more click, and it will download all the rest.
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Hi,
With the "Choice" link10, how do you accomodate a 1000 amp reading? Do
you just use a 100mv 1000 amp shunt and it works, or does there need to
be a software upgrade? If there does need to be a software upgrade, how
do you do it and where do you get the software? I haven't been able to
find much on Google.
I already have a 1000 amp, 50mv shunt. Anyway to make it work with the
e-meter?
One last question: does the shunt *have* to be at traction pack ground?
It will get it's millivolt drop anywhere in the pack, but the e-meter
expects it to be at ground, right? It would sure work better in my
system if it didn't have to be at ground.
Thanks a lot,
Ryan
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Last resort (if the mounting is not the problem) may be to bolt the
electric motor AND 320 transmission into the 318, even if the drive
shafts are different, then carefully measure the two shafts, cut each in
half and weld one new shaft, converting from 320 transmission to the 318
differential. Anybody that has done that before?
Works as a cost effective solution. If you change adapter plates it's 600
bucks. I'd be suprised if they didn't just bolt in. LR.......
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From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: BMW EV conversion question
Hi list,
a challenge for you but not after a short intro of myself, as
this is my first post to the list:
I am originally Dutch, moved to Sunnyvale, CA in 2003 because
of work and have been driving a Prius as the closest to an EV that
I could lay my hands on and that allowed both range and a family.
In the Netherlands I have constructed a 3,000 Watt PV system on the
roof of the house that I sold when moving.
Usually I ride a bicycle to work, but my office is moving to San Jose
so the commute will be 10 miles - still possible by bike but to regain
some of the time as well as to cater to an old dream, I like to go the
route of using an EV (my house is already an EV emergency charging site,
so why not make this a permanent charging site)
(I am also delighted to avoid starting any ICE for short trips around
town when doing errands, pick up people for church and so on.)
Anyway - I found a '91 BMW 318i with blown engine and good body and
after some browsing discovered a recently crashed '83 320is EV with
GE motor and adapterplate.
Both cars were built with 1.8i 4 cylinder motors, but the transmissions
appear to have different part nrs and drive shaft length and coupling
is likely different. (although both are manual 5-gear)
Now the main question:
Anybody know if the 320is adapter will fit the 318i transmission?
I am trying to avoid hauling two cars to my place only to end up with
two incompatible halves.
Last resort (if the mounting is not the problem) may be to bolt the
electric motor AND 320 transmission into the 318, even if the drive
shafts are different, then carefully measure the two shafts, cut each in
half and weld one new shaft, converting from 320 transmission to the 318
differential. Anybody that has done that before?
Sorry to ask all the questions that may have been answered before, hope
any of you can tell me if I am on the right path to a functioning and fun
to drive EV.
I plan to use around 192V on the 9" GE motor which is specified for 99.4V
and 201A (if I read the plate right) with max 23hp but at almost double
voltage it should peak close to 100hp.
I still need to figure out which controller to use/build/rebuild.
(I prefer second-hand over new as a way of life: my bicycle is second
hand,
my Prius is a salvage, most furniture is second hand, I buy used books at
Amazon and so on.)
(Batteries will likely be new, unless someone has a good pointer for 32x
6V or 16 x 12V batteries with more than 100Ah (at 1hr rate) and preferably
well below a max of 1500 lb.)
Thanks in advance!
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fax: +1 408 731 3673 eFAX: +31-84-717-9972
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Take your network further http://www.proxim.com
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I had this digest quaranteened by Earthlink. LR..........
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I mention this because I don't want people losing
emails.
1st: Just don't use attachments to the list as
required (I know the last one was a mistake). Upload
the picture somewhere and provide a link or offer to
email direct to people who want to see it.
2nd. For those who want to use the limit feature where
available 10k limit is too low. There were half a
dozen messages that exceeded that on the list
yesterday so you'd lose those. I'd hate for anyone to
miss one of John Waylands or others inpiring EV Tales
or one of the news posts from Bruce. Also the programs
I have seen you can only limit this by each email
account you have so it would affect all incomeing
mail. Not just say received from [email protected]
limit to 20k.
--- Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some email clients have a "don't download emails
> larger than ..."
> feature, though they will download the headers so
> you can decide. If
> you set it to 10K, you'll be okay.
>
> Don Cameron wrote:
>
> >A tip from the saavy computer user who sometimes
> gets stranded away from
> >hi-speed internet: look in your email client for
> the option "download
> >headers" this will download just the mail subject
> and size of the note. It
> >will not download the content. Then if you see a
> note with a large size,
> >you can just delete it. One more click, and it will
> download all the rest.
>
>
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I have commercial power and solar and EV charging. All from the same meter.
No problem with PG & E. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: Can't Plug In At Home in CA???
A customer sent us this email:
California has just shot themselves in the foot by not allowing people
with electric vehicles to charge them at home plugging into their
commercial power. DUMBB, DUMBB, DUMBB. I guess they "rationalized" that
the "inrush" current in many cases would be too great and could result in
fires and wiring problems in most situations.
Anybody have any idea what he's talking about? Since when?
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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I've never had a problem. I ride my scooter in the bike lane. I saw a
motorcycle crashing the bike lane get a ticket. Mopeds are not allowed in
the bike lanes. Lawrence Rhodes...........
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
<<< Unless you have bike plenty of lanes around, in which case, you're a
lot
better off than an NEV because they are not allowed in bike lanes. This
is why I got a moped-class scooter, instead of an NEV. I commute to
work on a 45mph expressway, but I ride in the bike lane. Works great! >>>
There may be a bit of confusion on the bike lane legality:
[Vehicle Code (VC) �406(a) defines a motorized bicycle, commonly called a
moped,
as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle which can be temporarily propelled by
pedals
or by an electric motor. An automatic transmission connects the wheels to
an
engine which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower. It has a top
speed of
30 miles per hour on level ground.
A motorized bicycle is also defined (VC �406[b]) as a device which has
fully
operative pedals for human propulsion and has an electric motor with an
output
of not more than 1,000 watts and cannot be driven at a speed of more than
20
mph on level ground. The motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph
even if
assisted by human power. These vehicles must operate so the electric motor
is
disengaged when the brakes are applied or when the starter switch or
mechanism
is released. A motorized bicycle may not be driven on a freeway, bicycle
path
or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreation trail unless the path
or
trail is on, or next to, a roadway or permission to use the trail or
roadway is
granted by local ordinance. A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle
lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists
using
the lane.]
It appears riding a moped (VC �406[a]) in the bicycle lane is NOT legal,
while
riding an ebike (VC �406[b]) or a scooter (the type with a 15mph top
speed) in
the bike lane is.
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Hello to All,
I absolutley loved reading Jeff's well written, fun EV experience story, thanks
Jeff! Bill
Dube' is quite a character, isn't he?
Jeff's story reminded me of a similar one that Bill posted, after he visited me
for the
first time, got his face plastered by Blue Meanie, and just about lost bowel
control over
the quad 8 subwoofer array. Shortly after his mind altering Pacific NW visit,
the Wabbit
was born.
Bob Bath wrore:
>Jeff, if you ever get to Grants Pass, I think you'll
>enjoy my lead sled 92 Honda Civic.
Jeff Wilson wrote:
> Thanks Bob. If I get there, I'll definitely look you up.
Jeff, the offer for a Blue Meanie ride is open if you ever get up this way to
see
Bob....it's just another 200 miles up I-5 from Grants Pass to the Wayland EV
Laboritory.
> I used to own an
> ICE '91 teal green Civic hatchback. I loved that car. Sold it to the
> neighbor kid for $4k back in '02. He tricked it out with a new computer,
> twin turbos, Nitric, phat exhaust, 16" rims and a suspension overhaul. It
> ended up with about 220hp. What a pocket rocket.
Geesh, all those mods and 'only' 220 hp? The Hondas around here get 400+ hp
with just one
turbo and a shot of NOS :-)
Thanks again, for the fun post...I felt like I was riding along with you guys.
See Ya....John Wayland
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This past weekend, I was bush-hogging the field at my farm with my 1956
Allis Chalmers WD-45 when the engine died.
Nothing I did made the @#$%^&* thing run. Undaunted, I hooked up my I-5
to the front of the tractor and had one friend drive the I-5 while
another steered the tractor.
The ET spun out big time, but was too light to pull the Orange Monster
(according to the factory specs she weighs 4600 lbs "dry" and had a 700+
pound drag bush hog behind her.)
I put my sholder to the wheel of the tractor and was amazed as it
started to move with almost no effort. The ET could pull it no problem,
it was the lack of traction that was the killer.
After that little shove the ET towed the tractor all the way to the barn
(about a 1/4 mile) across uncut grass and weeds.
The neighbors looked dumbfounded as this little Orange lawn mower towed
the massive beast back for repairs. I would have killed to have my
camera.
You just gotta love EV's.
James
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Texas E-Rider is still buying Evercels from somewhere, but of course I
have no idea what contact they have.
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Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm
having a problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7
Yellowtop Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries,
much heavier than 7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is
really holding me back.
John in San Francisco
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John, for my New Beetle conversion I had springs made by Coil Spring
Specialists in Kansas for approx $170.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Martin
Sent: June 3, 2005 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Rabbit front springs
Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm having a
problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7 Yellowtop
Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries, much heavier than
7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is really holding me back.
John in San Francisco
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Wait a minute, in your quote below, you actually wrote (as I cut and paste from
your section below):
"A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists using
the lane."
And then you conclude that riding a moped (a.k.a a motorized bicycle as per
section 406 which you also quoted) in the bike lane is NOT legal. I'll take
the DMV code you quoted over your personal analysis, in this case. From the
vehicle code, it is definitely legal to ride a moped/motorized bicycle in the
bike lane.
Perhaps you are confusing bike lanes with bike paths, their off-the-roadway
cousins.
Jenn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
<<< Unless you have bike plenty of lanes around, in which case, you're a lot
better off than an NEV because they are not allowed in bike lanes. This
is why I got a moped-class scooter, instead of an NEV. I commute to
work on a 45mph expressway, but I ride in the bike lane. Works great! >>>
There may be a bit of confusion on the bike lane legality:
[Vehicle Code (VC) �406(a) defines a motorized bicycle, commonly called a moped,
as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle which can be temporarily propelled by pedals
or by an electric motor. An automatic transmission connects the wheels to an
engine which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower. It has a top speed of
30 miles per hour on level ground.
A motorized bicycle is also defined (VC �406[b]) as a device which has fully
operative pedals for human propulsion and has an electric motor with an output
of not more than 1,000 watts and cannot be driven at a speed of more than 20
mph on level ground. The motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph even if
assisted by human power. These vehicles must operate so the electric motor is
disengaged when the brakes are applied or when the starter switch or mechanism
is released. A motorized bicycle may not be driven on a freeway, bicycle path
or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreation trail unless the path or
trail is on, or next to, a roadway or permission to use the trail or roadway is
granted by local ordinance. A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists using
the lane.]
It appears riding a moped (VC �406[a]) in the bicycle lane is NOT legal, while
riding an ebike (VC �406[b]) or a scooter (the type with a 15mph top speed) in
the bike lane is.
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My hunch is that the Chinese production factory is still making the
profitable Evercells. But
Under a different name.
Madman
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From: "Derrick J Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Evercels - What to do with them?
> Texas E-Rider is still buying Evercels from somewhere, but of course I
> have no idea what contact they have.
>
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Rich Rudman wrote:
My hunch is that the Chinese production factory is still making the
profitable Evercells. But
Under a different name.
Three Circles, or whatever.
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Jenn, read the motorized bicycle section closer. The law clearly states
"motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph" and "A motorized bicycle
may be driven in a bicycle lane on a roadway...". If your moped "can" go
faster than 20mph, it is **not** a motorized bicycle.
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rodriguez, Jennifer
Sent: June 3, 2005 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
Wait a minute, in your quote below, you actually wrote (as I cut and paste
from your section below):
"A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle lane on a roadway at a
reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists using the lane."
And then you conclude that riding a moped (a.k.a a motorized bicycle as per
section 406 which you also quoted) in the bike lane is NOT legal. I'll take
the DMV code you quoted over your personal analysis, in this case. From the
vehicle code, it is definitely legal to ride a moped/motorized bicycle in
the bike lane.
Perhaps you are confusing bike lanes with bike paths, their off-the-roadway
cousins.
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
<<< Unless you have bike plenty of lanes around, in which case, you're a lot
better off than an NEV because they are not allowed in bike lanes. This
is why I got a moped-class scooter, instead of an NEV. I commute to
work on a 45mph expressway, but I ride in the bike lane. Works great! >>>
There may be a bit of confusion on the bike lane legality:
[Vehicle Code (VC) �406(a) defines a motorized bicycle, commonly called a
moped,
as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle which can be temporarily propelled by
pedals
or by an electric motor. An automatic transmission connects the wheels to an
engine which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower. It has a top speed
of
30 miles per hour on level ground.
A motorized bicycle is also defined (VC �406[b]) as a device which has fully
operative pedals for human propulsion and has an electric motor with an
output
of not more than 1,000 watts and cannot be driven at a speed of more than 20
mph on level ground. The motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph even
if
assisted by human power. These vehicles must operate so the electric motor
is
disengaged when the brakes are applied or when the starter switch or
mechanism
is released. A motorized bicycle may not be driven on a freeway, bicycle
path
or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreation trail unless the path or
trail is on, or next to, a roadway or permission to use the trail or roadway
is
granted by local ordinance. A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle
lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists
using
the lane.]
It appears riding a moped (VC �406[a]) in the bicycle lane is NOT legal,
while
riding an ebike (VC �406[b]) or a scooter (the type with a 15mph top speed)
in
the bike lane is.
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http://www.safari4x4.com.au/80scool/tech/batweld/batweld.html
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Tim, people can comment on the show by either calling Discovery at
1-800-889-9950 and ask for viewer relations or go to
http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations and fill out their form in order
to make your comments.
Judging by the amount of fan mail I received either the tide is turning or
it just had to do with the time slot right after the most popular show on
cable TV, not just the Discovery Channel.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
Be careful, it's probably illegal for you to copy and distribute it.
However, if someone were to somehow get into your
personal storage folder... well, I don't know about that either. If you
do though, don't delete the ads, we need to
know who to write to, to express thanks for their support.
I would recommend that those who would like a copy get it right from The
Discovery Channel. It's not that expensive
and it shows the producers that there is an interest.
Unfortunately a search on TDC doesn't reveal a way to get a copy from
them. Perhaps one of "the speed-hungry,
rubber-burning, adrenaline-pumped electro-nerds" know how... ^-)
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
"Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left
untreated, it develops into Arrogance, which is often
fatal. :-)" -- Lee Hart
Get your own FREE evgrin.com email address;
send a request to ryan at evsourcecom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Evan Tuer
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
On 6/3/05, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Roderick Wilde wrote:
> "Sucking Amps"
> will be on Discovery Channel tonight at 8PM and 11PM west coast
> time. Check you local listings.
Would there be any interest in me transferring this to my computer and
encoding it using something like DivX, 3ivX, Xvid, or even something
else? I'll chop out all the ads, but it will still be a big download.
Yes please! Make it available as a torrent maybe if you're worried about
the server load..
Regards
Evan
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Hi, List,
I got the following message, stating that there is a virus in the digest.
Has anyone else received this type of message????
The virus that it detected also makes no sense?
Thanks
Chris Seeley
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 06:37:18 PDT
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I agree, 'Sucking Amps' was a great view last night. Really enjoyable to
see all the EV guys that I've been buying from/talking with. And the
drama!? Rod told the camera that if it became necessary he knew some fellow
Amp Heads who might be able to come and help. Well who walked in? It was
great!
Regarding availability of the segment through Discovery- Sorry, nada.
We can't get it through them. If anyone knows how I can access it, please
let me know.
Richard Rau
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Roderick Wilde
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
Tim, people can comment on the show by either calling Discovery at
1-800-889-9950 and ask for viewer relations or go to
http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations and fill out their form in order
to make your comments.
Judging by the amount of fan mail I received either the tide is turning or
it just had to do with the time slot right after the most popular show on
cable TV, not just the Discovery Channel.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
> Be careful, it's probably illegal for you to copy and distribute it.
> However, if someone were to somehow get into your
> personal storage folder... well, I don't know about that either. If you
> do though, don't delete the ads, we need to
> know who to write to, to express thanks for their support.
>
> I would recommend that those who would like a copy get it right from The
> Discovery Channel. It's not that expensive
> and it shows the producers that there is an interest.
> Unfortunately a search on TDC doesn't reveal a way to get a copy from
> them. Perhaps one of "the speed-hungry,
> rubber-burning, adrenaline-pumped electro-nerds" know how... ^-)
>
>
> --
> Stay Charged!
> Hump
> "Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left
> untreated, it develops into Arrogance, which is often
> fatal. :-)" -- Lee Hart
>
> Get your own FREE evgrin.com email address;
> send a request to ryan at evsourcecom
>
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Evan Tuer
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:37 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
>>
>> On 6/3/05, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Roderick Wilde wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Sucking Amps"
>>> > will be on Discovery Channel tonight at 8PM and 11PM west coast
>>> > time. Check you local listings.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Would there be any interest in me transferring this to my computer and
>>> encoding it using something like DivX, 3ivX, Xvid, or even something
>>> else? I'll chop out all the ads, but it will still be a big download.
>>
>> Yes please! Make it available as a torrent maybe if you're worried about
>> the server load..
>>
>> Regards
>> Evan
>>
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> Sent: 6/3/2005 11:01:39 AM
> Subject: Discovery Networks
>
>> Thank you for contacting Discovery Networks. We appreciate your inquiry.
>> Unfortunately, "Sucking Amps" is not available for purchase. While this
>> program is currently not scheduled to be televised, it may be scheduled in
>> the future. Please visit our website at www.discovery.com and check out
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Ryan Bohm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I already have a 1000 amp, 50mv shunt. Anyway to make it
> work with the e-meter?
Just hook it up. The E-Meter expects 50mV full-scale from the shunt,
and will display this as 500A, so it will work just fine but with your
1000A shunt the E-Meter will display 1/2 the true current (i.e. 100A
displayed = 200A, 500A displayed = 1000A real-life).
A 1000A 100mV shunt is identical electrically to a 500A 50mV one, and
while it will carry the 1000A current, the E-Meter will peg at 511A once
the current exceeds 500A.
If you want the display correct for 1000A, I think you have to order the
meter set up for 1000A to start with. It might be possible to get
Xantrex to load the 1000A software for you if you ship it back to them;
you'd have to call them and find out.
> One last question: does the shunt *have* to be at traction
> pack ground?
Yes! Connect it anywhere else and you will be buying yourself a new
E-Meter.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Jeff Wilson wrote:
>Any
>of you other virgin newbies out there not had a ride in
>a real live
>butt-kickin' EV need to find someone nearby and get them
>to take you for a
>ride. You will be hooked with a capital 'H' and be ready
>to open up your
>piggy bank on the spot.
I've never ridden in an EV. In the entire city of St. Louis,
the only registered EV I know of is one lowly Corbin
Sparrow. John Lentz used to have a 240V of Optima Yellowtop,
Raptor 600, ADC9'' powered Saturn sedan, but he sold it
years ago.
I'm looking forward to seeing what riding in a well done
conversion is like, but that's not likely to happen until I
get my own conversion finished and only if that conversion
turns out nice. Maybe a trip to Kansas City or the Chicago
area might be in order to see the couple of EVs those places
have, but other than that, there aren't any road-going EVs
to see where I live. Otherwise, I'd have to take a trip to
Portland to see some of the real nice ones, but that's a
little while off. Aside from one Sparrow, I'll have the only
road going EV in my city. I am damn well going to be sure
this EV will make good 'first impressions' with the locals,
burning rubber, terrorizing law enforcement, banging on
people's windows with its sound system, and perhaps hitting
more than 130 mph in the event I take someone for a ride
over the river into Illinois on route 15, provided Ponch and
John aren't around with a radar gun. That would scare the
crap out of them and make them remember this car and of
what's possible, as gas prices continue to catch up with
reality.
Don't know when she'll be finished. The faster I earn money,
the quicker progress on the car will go(Classes being the
next limiting factor). Currently, it's in my garage being
stripped. I got some photos of the car unstripped with its
gas engine in it, showing off the amount of battery room it
has and such, but I'm waiting for the Aeronautical
Engineering department at my campus to send the photos to
me. I had to borrow their digital camera to get them.
I'm expecting to perhaps make another $3k this summer if I
can find a job or two around here, so significant progress
may or may not be made.
First thing is first. It's already been toyed with a mostly
stock gas car a little, but I'm going to strip off all
paint, sand blast and then sand paper all rust spots, remove
gas engine and all related components like gas tank, ect,
remove the body and basically strip the car down to its
chassis, sand blast that, powdercoat, prime, and paint,
learn some welding so I can then take out the original
floorboards and weld new ones in, replace the stock seats
with something lighter in weight, install five point safety
harnesses for passenger and driver, remove all sound
deadener, get fiberglass bumpers and fiberglass LeMans style
bonnet, lexon windows, fiberglass door skins, fiberglass
rockers, ect., fix the parking brake, install a full
underbelly, cover top third to top half of rear wheel wells,
shave down the door handles, remove the rain gutters,
replace the drivers' side mirror with a more aerodynamic
mirror(No passenger side mirror), sand out all exterior
imperfections, install stronger brakes, install roll bar,
then paint it a dark British racing green, replace the
electrical system, machine the brakes to reduce brake drag,
place on a new set of alloy LeMans style wheels, put on low
rolling resistance tires and then put the gas engine and
components back in. Add a nice sound system of about 300-400
watts or so, nothing too fancy or expensive but enough to
have some fun.
Now, perhaps over 200 pounds lighter than it was, much more
aerodynamic, and with a hopefully nice finish and an
uncracked windshield, I'm going to do both performance runs
and fuel economy runs and take data on each, and get a feel
for the car as the sort of race-prepped 1500 pound tincan
deathtrap I have a liking for. I'll be using a few crude
methods such as the 'tuft method' to find out where the car
generates turbulence so I can minimize drag more. While the
car is in that state, I'll be saving money for the EV
related components, making the adaptor plate and battery
boxes, and once I have the stuff for the EV, the 400 pound
gas engine will again be stripped out, as will the 100-150
pounds of related things like gas tank, exhaust, ect., and
the real conversion to electric will begin. I hope to be
able to fit as much as 25 Optimas into this thing, but time
will tell whether or not Imanage, as I don't want to throw
the weight distribution off too much and want to keep things
about 50/50, what the car manages stock. I know for a fact I
can at least fit in 18 Optimas without throwing the weight
distribution off. With 25 Optimas as an EV, with fiberglass
parts for weight reduction it would be about 2,400-2,450
pounds, and without fiberglass parts for weight reduction,
about 2,600-2,650 pounds. Both weights include driver. GVWR
is 2,350 pounds, so in both cases I'll need to install leaf
springs.
This could be finished as early as next summer, or it may
even become my senior project the semester after.
Whatever the case may be, I want this to turn out as a
butt-kickin' EV so as to make the prospect of electric drive
palletable by the normals, and maybe embarass a few local
ricers while I'm at it.
Glad to see you had the opportunity to become acquaninted
with these cars and their owners in person. Wayland already
invited me to see his car, so if I'm ever in the Portland
area, I'll certainly have to stop by. I definately look
forward to my first EV outing, whether by my own doing or by
having the good fortune to meet another EV owner that has a
decent conversion. :-)
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Bring your EVs and be on TV.
The Discovery Channel will be at the NEDRA Power of DC Saturday June 11
at the Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
This will be a great opportunity to get EVs out on a National level.
NBC TV plans to be there as well.
Besides being on TV, racers will have a chance to win trophies and cash
prizes and of course meet with other EV enthusiasts.
See the Power of DC website for more details.
Feel free to contact me for further information about the race.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc,com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
301-490-0657
cell 240-687-1678
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Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been interested
in electric cars for a few years, but haven't done
much to learn about them.
I'm interested in building an NEV both for puttering
around the neighborhood and when my family and I go
camping.
What are the basics to either an EV or an NEV? Is
there a simple logical drawing or something?
I mean, is it as simple as:
battery==>pot==>electric motor
Or, is it more complicated than that?
If I wanted to take an old riding lawn mower and
completely convert it to electric just for the fun of
it...and perhaps to get up to 30 mph out of it, what
components are absolutely necessary? What components
wouldn't be necessary but would be nice features, etc.
etc. etc.?
Thank you
Ted
Ted Wagner's Electric Telegraph Reference Library Website
http://www.trwagner.org
Signal Corps Website
http://www.civilwarsignal.org/
USMT (Military Telegraph)
http://www.unitedstatesmilitarytelegraph.org
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