EV Digest 4412
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Link10 1000amp reading
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Rabbit front springs
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Rabbit front springs
by Andrew Letton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Toyota Prius Drive Train
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Rabbit front springs
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Link10 1000amp reading
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: OT: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Argggggggg. Another Wrecked electric vehicle
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Re: Argggggggg. Another Wrecked electric vehicle
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) dc/dc converter
by "ohnojoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Argggggggg. Another Wrecked electric vehicle
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Seattle City Light focuses on plug-in hybrids
by "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Argggggggg. Another Wrecked electric vehicle
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: The Discovery EV program
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Alfa Romeo Batteries
by "Brian M. Sutin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Discovery feedback Thank You
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Another e-meter question...Lee?
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Another e-meter question...Lee?
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Rabbit front springs
by John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Optimas, 31 or 34 ?
by John Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Portland Visit
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Rabbit front springs
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
by Lowell Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ryan Bohm wrote:
> With the "Choice" link10, how do you accomodate a 1000 amp reading?
The standard E-meter / Link-10 uses a 500amp 50mv shunt, and the maximum
current it will display is 511 amps.
The optional "1000 amp" version still uses a 500amp 50mv shunt, but they
supply a much larger, higher-power version that can withstand up to 1000
amps. Yes, it has a 100mv drop at 1000 amps -- notice it will be
producing 0.1v x 1000a = 100 watts of heat!
All they changed inside the meter itself is the software, to allow it to
read to 1022 amps max.
> One last question: does the shunt *have* to be at traction pack ground?
> It will get it's millivolt drop anywhere in the pack, but the e-meter
> expects it to be at ground, right? It would sure work better in my
> system if it didn't have to be at ground.
Yes, it *has* to be in the negative leg of the traction pack! Putting it
in the postive leg will *destroy* the E-meter / Link 10!
--
Ring the bells that you can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in
-- Leonard Cohen, from "Anthem"
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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From: "John Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Rabbit front springs
> Don
>
> Thanks for the lead.
>
> I will order springs from them. I will be adding about 500 lbs of
> batteries up front. Do I ask for 200 lbs, 300 lbs or what over stock
> springs.
>
> John
>
> Hi John;
I had them do a set for MY Rabbit. I asked for 300 lbs more lift as I
stuffed 6 T 105 batteries up front as well as a ADC 9" motor and Rapter
controller. The OTHER 14 went in back!You may not need so much lift? I built
my Bunny for range 20 T 105's or T 145's for extended range.Maybe they would
remember my order?? Using BMW springs shocks in back.
Seeya
Bob
> On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Don Cameron wrote:
>
> > John, for my New Beetle conversion I had springs made by Coil Spring
> > Specialists in Kansas for approx $170.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > Victoria, BC, Canada
> >
> > See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
> > www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of John Martin
> > Sent: June 3, 2005 10:34 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Rabbit front springs
> >
> > Hi folks
> >
> > I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm
> > having a
> > problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7 Yellowtop
> > Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries, much
> > heavier than
> > 7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is really holding me
> > back.
> >
> > John in San Francisco
> >
>
>
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John-
When I ordered springs from CSS, they wanted to know how much I needed
to increase the ride height and they wanted to borrow one of the stock
springs. So... You should measure the stock ride height (assuming you
want to maintain stock height), go ahead and do the conversion, then
measure the converted height to be able to give them they number they want.
Good luck.
Andrew
John Martin wrote:
Don
Thanks for the lead.
I will order springs from them. I will be adding about 500 lbs of
batteries up front. Do I ask for 200 lbs, 300 lbs or what over stock
springs.
John
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Don Cameron wrote:
John, for my New Beetle conversion I had springs made by Coil Spring
Specialists in Kansas for approx $170.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Martin
Sent: June 3, 2005 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Rabbit front springs
Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm
having a
problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7 Yellowtop
Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries, much
heavier than
7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is really holding me
back.
John in San Francisco
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On 3 Jun 2005 at 21:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone think there is a possibility that a better and more
> efficient transmission drive system than the Toyota Prius would be
> possible ... It would seem that if the internal combustion engine
> had a full range of its torque curve by having various gears ...
Sorry to jump in here, but folks, please don't reply to this message on the
list. Anyone who wants to reply, please contact the poster directly by
private email.
The reason is that the EVDL really isn't an appropriate place to discuss the
fine points of the Prius drive system. There are much better places for
that - several Yahoo groups are entirely devoted to the Prius, and there are
at least two forums (the one I'm more familiar with is priuschat.com).
One exception: there's an effort to make the 2G Prius a true hybrid by
allowing it to be charged from an external electrical source ("PHEV" and
similar labels are applied to this). Unless many of the list members object,
I think this would be 100% in line with the EV list's charter.
David Roden
EV List Assistant Administrator
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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At 11:33 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote:
Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm having
a problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7 Yellowtop
Optimas.
The stock springs will work just fine. You are removing the engine
and the radiator. The 7 Optimas weigh 294 pounds. This is about the same
weight as the engine and radiator.
If you want to pick it up 3/4" or so, use Cabriolet springs.
My Wabbit has stock springs all the way around. It has 735 pounds
of batteries all together. The car sits about an inch lower than stock.
I put in after market sway bars so it would handle better.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
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You can put the shunt anywhere in the pack wiring. The only problems are:
1) The 12 volt supply voltage needs to be referenced to the black wire. With
an isolated 12 volt supply this is not a problem.
2) The black wire must be connected to side of the shunt most toward the
negative terminal of the load. If the shunt is in the middle of the pack,
the voltage reading on the emeter will show the voltage of only the top half
of the pack. If the shunt is in the positive lead from the pack, the blue
wire can only be connected to the same place as the black wire making the
meter continuously indicate zero volts making the meter considerably less
than intended.
If you want to read amps only (no volts), you may install the shunt in the
positive wire. I would much rather put it in the negative wire and make it
operate as intended.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Link10 1000amp reading
> Ryan Bohm wrote:
> > One last question: does the shunt *have* to be at traction pack ground?
> > It will get it's millivolt drop anywhere in the pack, but the e-meter
> > expects it to be at ground, right? It would sure work better in my
> > system if it didn't have to be at ground.
>
> Yes, it *has* to be in the negative leg of the traction pack! Putting it
> in the postive leg will *destroy* the E-meter / Link 10!
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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Lawrence Rhodes also reported getting a malware flag from Earthlink. Their
rationale appears to me to be (at best) cryptic, but who am I to say?
Regardless, I've not been able to find any messages transmitted from the EV
list which might be carrying a virus or worm load. Anyone who has, please
forward it (or them) to me with all headers intact.
On a related matter, SJSU's system gurus notified me today that they've
solved the problems with the listserver's attachment stripper. These
problems caused it to snarf up huge quantities of cpu cycles, so they had to
disable it a couple of months ago.
They have thus reinstated (or soon will be reinstating) attachment stripping
for the EV list. That should put us back to high security against malware,
instead of the medium security we had with just virus scanning.
If you have a binary file (picture, pdf document, spreadsheet, word
processor document, program, zip archive, etc.) that you want to share with
the list, please don't try to send it as an attachment. Instead, post it on
a web site or public ftp server, and email the list with the URL or address.
Thanks!
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Still no details, but here is an official link.
http://www.katu.com/sports/story.asp?ID=77488
On 6/1/05, Alan Batie alan-at-batie.org |vehicle/1.0-Allow|
<...> wrote:
> There was a news report Monday night about an accident at Portland
> International Raceway "electric car races" which sent someone to the
> hospital. I haven't seen anything here and was wondering if anyone knew
> what the story was?
>
>
>
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At 11:46 PM -0700 6/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still no details, but here is an official link.
http://www.katu.com/sports/story.asp?ID=77488
Looks to me like an electrathon vehicle in the video but it's real
hard to tell since they use "windblows media slayer" to show it.
Sure enough, http://www.portlandraceway.com/schedule.asp#May shows
that Monday was the last day of some Electrathon America Races.
Forget the car, it can be rebuilt!
I hope that the person injured is recovering well.
--
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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I have some questions concerning dc/dc converters.
I have two ev that I have been fixing up slow but sure they are coming
around. In fact, I drove my S-10 around the block the other day. My Geo
Tracker I had been driving to work every day for about 3 months until the 12
volt meter started to show something other than 14 volts like a rock. ( I
thought it was busted and stuck on 14)
The Tracker has a Curtis dc/dc converter rated for max input of 96 volts.
The traction pack is 120 volts. However, the converter was hooked up with
the positive on the fuse for the 2 gage wire that connected 8 of the
traction batteries in the rear of the car to 2 of the batteries in the front
of the car and the negative input was connected to line side of the primary
contactor. Also the converter's green light was always on.
On thing I did was to move the negative input to the load side of the
contactor. So the negative would not complete the connection unless the 12
volt system was turned on. Once I did that the 12 volt gage read
backwards.
I also checked the fuse on the converter which was blown. In fact I can't
stop the fuse from blowing.
The output is wired so the positive is spliced into the switched wiring e.g.
the same wire that turns on the vacuum pump. The negative output is run
directly to the negative of the 12 volt battery. I would think that this
set up would turn the dc/dc converter's green light on and off with the car.
But as I said before once I hook up the outputs on the dc/dc converter, the
green light is always on.
I tried to test to find out which side was blown put the bottom line was the
when the output was disconnected zero voltage was coming out of the
converter.
Finally, I had been changing the input of the charger so that I got a
complete charge. I was told that the Curtis converter does not do well with
any input over the rated 96 volts. I took the converter out and I am
resigned to getting a new one.
Can any one recommend a dc/dc converter.
Does the wiring to the fuse on the traction pack really limit the voltage to
the 8 batteries in the back of the car (8 x 12 =96). I did take readings and
the voltage at the input side of the converter was about 105-111 volts.
Hence it seems to be ok.
Is there any way to repair this converter. With it sealed up so well I'll
probably have to use a hammer on it to fix. And as my Dad said if a hammer
doesn't fix it get a bigger hammer.
The S-10 has a DCP converter. Before I got the truck the owner set it out
to get cleaned but was still having problems with it. The 12 volt battery
is not hooked up right now. The converter has a 120 input and the out put
is positive tied into a switched wire but the negative was run to ground and
not back to the battery's negative post. The negative wire also was
shorting out ( the relay would click on and off with a jiggle) one of the
brass colored relay switches. ( Yes I know I should now what the switch is
but I just got the truck back last weekend) I believe that may be one cause
as to why the 12 volt was discharging.
I tried to find a wiring diagram for the dcp converter but I can't find this
or any other converter on the DCP web site. Has DCP stopped making them?
Can I run the negative output from the converter right to the negative post
of the battery. The generic wring diagrams I was access to seem to show
that this would be ok.
As always thanks for your input.
Joe
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From: "Otmar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: Argggggggg. Another Wrecked electric vehicle
> At 11:46 PM -0700 6/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Still no details, but here is an official link.
> >http://www.katu.com/sports/story.asp?ID=77488
>
> Looks to me like an electrathon vehicle in the video but it's real
> hard to tell since they use "windblows media slayer" to show it.
> Hi All;
Ya mean Electrathon stuff goes fast enough to get hurt in? Was, am
worried that John Wayland coulda been involved? HE goes fast enough to do
damage! J.W. are you OK, You are the only guy I know that races at PIR??!!
YOU may have the story?
Seeya
Bob
> Sure enough, http://www.portlandraceway.com/schedule.asp#May shows
> that Monday was the last day of some Electrathon America Races.
>
> Forget the car, it can be rebuilt!
> I hope that the person injured is recovering well.
> --
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ Home of the Zilla.
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
>
>
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Guys, guys guys(and gals) Success/failure is relative. and as
racing goes, under deadline, that was a resounding success. Especially
the Gadget assisted save in the pits that allowed another run.
The thing that struck me was how much we subconsciously associate
sound with speed. Even when GP did a 14 second 1/4 it looked slow on
camera, only when next to an ICE making all it's noise do we have a
point of reference. My friend use to call a good exhaust system
"psychological horsepower".
What I don't understand is what OEM gear set on earth costs 5K? a whole
G-force tranny can be had for that, wasn't GP's tranny an OEM unit?
Shirroco?
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
> Guys, guys guys(and gals) Success/failure is relative. and as
> racing goes, under deadline, that was a resounding success. Especially
> the Gadget assisted save in the pits that allowed another run.
> The thing that struck me was how much we subconsciously associate
> sound with speed. Even when GP did a 14 second 1/4 it looked slow on
> camera, only when next to an ICE making all it's noise do we have a
> point of reference. My friend use to call a good exhaust system
> "psychological horsepower".
> Hi Jeff;
Good point! You hear the top fuel guyz run, it shakes you inside it's
SO loud! like a Cape Canavernal launch. Yiou guyz that have seen those know
what I mean. On the RR folks think Diseasels are more powerful than
Electrics, listen to all the NOISE of the diesel. Electrics just sing along,
happy hum of traction motors. The only indication that it is working hard is
the pinned ampmeters!and 0 to 80 in one minute-Acelas's times, I don't have
a way to tell a quarter mile, on the RR line, no noise, it just GOES!Like
the MAX in Portland.
> What I don't understand is what OEM gear set on earth costs 5K? a whole
> G-force tranny can be had for that, wasn't GP's tranny an OEM unit?
> Shirroco?
I THOUGHT that GP's tranny was setup for racing? Stock VW trannys won't
do for long, my Rabbit's getting noisy, a tic tic tic from SOMEWHERE in the
damn drive train, no NOT the CV joints, when I pull away.Already replaced
one that sounded like a milling machine, the 5 speed. I think the increased
torque of the motor kills them, and the heavier car, too.There are plenty of
Rabbit trannies to be had, so it isn't a big deal to me. If I had a stronger
clutch I could bust them, too,with my T Rex! Getting to work EVery day is my
thing, so I overlook a bit of clutch slip, in the Daily Drive.Masybe GP
should go direct drive? It COULD get into the 100 mile club, it was damn
close! IF it doesn't break stuff. As ya said, it doesn't SOUND fast, it
ghosts down the track, like a good EV should. That appeal to most of us.
Maybe fitting a racer with a Wayland Signiture sound system and play a sound
YOU like. I think a GG-1 E lokie at full volume would sound cool at the
Races,the trademark 25 hz hum, gear and circuit breaker sounds as it
launched. Or A Concorde taking off or a Top Fuel dragster? Nah! TOO noisy!
You can choose your sounds!Only with EV's!
Seeya at Power of DC!
Bob
>
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Saturday, June 4, 2005
City Light focuses on plug-in hybrids
Utility at seminar will look at offering incentives for cars
By BILL VIRGIN
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
You wouldn't think hybrid-power cars would need incentives to encourage
consumers to buy them, nor might you think Seattle City Light would be
looking for ways to increase demand for electricity.
But the municipal utility is co-sponsoring a two-day seminar next week on
whether it ought to offer incentives for purchases of gasoline-electric
vehicles, and whether encouraging such purchases would help City Light.
One of the speakers scheduled for the event is Roger Duncan, deputy general
manager of Austin Energy, the municipal electric utility that serves the
Texas capital.
The Austin City Council recently passed a resolution to set up an incentive
program for hybrid vehicles; Austin Energy hopes cities such as Seattle will
follow suit.
Duncan said the vehicles Austin has in mind are not the currently available
hybrids such as the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid. Those vehicles have
on-board systems, such as regenerative braking, for recharging batteries.
Instead, the focus is on the next-stage technology, "plug-in hybrids," in
which on-board batteries can be recharged by plugging the car into the same
electricity grid that powers a home.
Duncan said such cars would have increased battery storage capacity compared
with current models, enough to cover most people's around-town trips and
commutes without using the gasoline engine.
The gas engine would be available for out-of-town expeditions. "That's not
the vehicle that's on the road today," he said in a phone interview. "These
are not commercially available" although prototypes are being tested.
To encourage auto manufacturers to offer such cars, Austin is looking at
utility rebates to those who purchase the vehicles, and placing government
fleet orders. Details are still to be worked out, he said.
The drive to encourage hybrid vehicles has a broad goal of cutting petroleum
consumption, for national security reasons and to reduce the contribution of
gasoline use to global warming. Duncan said the reduction of gasoline use
with a plug-in hybrid can be extended if the other fuel is biodiesel or
ethanol.
Bob Royer, City Light's communications and public affairs director, says the
utility is interested in the global warming aspect because of the potential
impacts on the Northwest's hydropower system. City Light is concerned about
the warnings of increasingly unstable weather systems, including smaller
mountain snowpacks, which is the source of water to turn generating
turbines.
"If there is a change in weather in which we have less rain, that's no good
for us," he said.
Royer said there's also a business case to be made for plug-in hybrids as a
way to increase power sales. Recharging vehicle batteries won't constitute a
big load on the system, he said, but what demand there might be will tend to
occur at night, a time of off-peak power demand when generating systems have
unused capacity. For a hydro-based system like the Northwest, that means
water that's flowing over the dams and through turbines anyway. In Austin,
Duncan said, "we have West Texas winds" that can be harnessed for producing
electricity.
Royer said the utility also wants to see if plug-in hybrids will cost
customers less than paying for gasoline. "If we can help our customers save
money, that's a role we've played in the past through our conservation
programs," he said.
The forum, co-sponsored by the organizations Climate Solutions and
Sustainable Ballard and to be held Monday and Tuesday at City Hall, will
also look at whether there's a role for the Northwest in the manufacturing
of hybrid-power vehicles, and whether plug-in hybrids could act as suppliers
of power to the grid.
IF YOU GO
Seattle Electric Vehicle to Grid Forum is at 1 p.m. Monday and Tuesday in
the Bertha Landes Room of Seattle City Hall. Seating is limited. Those
interested in attending should RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
P-I reporter Bill Virgin can be reached at 206-448-8319 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello to All,
Bob Rice wrote:
> Otmar wrote:
> Looks to me like an electrathon vehicle in the video but it's real
> hard to tell since they use "windblows media slayer" to show it.
Bob Rice wrote:
> Ya mean Electrathon stuff goes fast enough to get hurt in? Was, am
> worried that John Wayland coulda been involved? HE goes fast enough to do
> damage! J.W. are you OK, You are the only guy I know that races at PIR??!!
> YOU may have the story?
I'm fine everyone, thanks for the concern. I was oblivious to this incident,
but when I
walked into work in the morning, I was bombarded with well-wisher comments and
looks of
relief, that it wasn't 'me'...seems everyone saw it on the news except me.
I can only guess it was some sort of Electrathon race, as this time of year
during
Portland's Rose Festival month of June, there's all sorts of racing activity at
PIR,
including Electrathon races. I'm sorry to hear that a fellow racer was hurt,
and hope he
or she is OK.
It 'is' frustrating from two angles....first, I'm sick and tired of the media
calling the
bicycle-like Electrathon creations 'electric cars'....it only perpetuates the
myth that
electric cars are all rolling science project-cockroaches on wheels machines.
Second, the
media swarms all over anything that makes an EV appear unsafe, but casually
dismisses all
the garages that have been burnt to the ground by gas cars.
Racing any type of vehicle has it's dangers. I'm very grateful to NEDRA and
especially
Bill Dube's efforts to make the NHRA sanctioned electric drag racing as safe as
possible.
See Ya.......John Wayland
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To answer some questions and set some records straight. We run a G60 VW
Corado front transaxle. The gear set I want to use is a 6 speed dog gear set
by Quaife. It is much, much stronger. I have put my home up for sale in
Jerome, Arizona to finance my move to Croatia to open a European
distribution center for EV Parts. EV Parts will remain in it's present
location. I will still be doing the same work I am plus more. The sale will
also allow me to put my own money into GP and The Maniac Mazda. If it sells
in time you will see both at Woodburn. A big thank you to Reverend Gadget
for helping to explain Reality TV. I have gotten only a couple of critical
letters. To these I simply reply: "I am so sorry to hear that you believe
everything you see on TV." You should realize that they shot us with two
cameras in our face for 10 hours a day for six weeks. I calculated about 500
hours of film boiled down to 46 minutes. Most of the time we had a great
time building GP but this is not what the producers want. They want tension.
The reason they give you an unreal and nearly impossible deadline is to
create tension. That is why "American Chopper" is number one on all of
cable. I hear people complain about the show but like addicts they still
watch it. I see many comments about GP on this list that can easily be
answered by surfing www.suckamps.com. Some of the answers are in response to
viewers mail. We will be putting up more letters soon. Also concerning GP,
some on this list have gotten the point of building this van rather than a
sleek sports car or a rail dragster. I just would like to add that there is
still a deeper psychological reason for building GP. People who have ideas
that they can call their own, ideas that they feel are original are more apt
to be swayed to new thinking. When people see a very heavy electric brick
hurtle down the strip they think to themselves, "I can do better than that.
I can build an aerodynamic, sleek and light electric." They are tricked into
thinking they have this brilliant idea and some of them may act on it. This
is just a small insight into my twisted sense of humor :-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
Guys, guys guys(and gals) Success/failure is relative. and as racing
goes, under deadline, that was a resounding success. Especially the Gadget
assisted save in the pits that allowed another run.
The thing that struck me was how much we subconsciously associate
sound with speed. Even when GP did a 14 second 1/4 it looked slow on
camera, only when next to an ICE making all it's noise do we have a point
of reference. My friend use to call a good exhaust system "psychological
horsepower".
What I don't understand is what OEM gear set on earth costs 5K? a whole
G-force tranny can be had for that, wasn't GP's tranny an OEM unit?
Shirroco?
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:37:16 -0700 (PDT), Reverend Gadget
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I say this from
>being a casuality of reality TV.
What happened? I don't watch TV so I don't know much more than that
you had a TV show that sounded interesting.
John
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Lee writes:
> I agree. Since you already have them, there's no need to replace the
> cables. But I would change the ends to automotive post connectors (I
> think your batteries have both automotive posts and 5/16" studs). I'm
> worried that the 5/16" studs won't hold up.
and Roger writes:
> - I notice that all of your traction battery connections are using flat
> lugs and wingnuts on threaded studs. The preferred connection for on
> road EVs is standard automotive clamps on the SAE posts.
This particular suggestion was not on my list. Hadn't occured to me that
I could put a auto-style clamp on there and ignore the stud.
Thanks for all the battery suggestions, too!
I recharged the car, waited 24 hours, measured voltages, drove to work and
back (4.2 miles at about 35 mph), and remeasured six hours later:
charged spent
12.82 12.54
12.49 12.24
12.79 12.50
12.73 12.46
12.58 12.33
12.70 12.44
12.59 12.31
12.76 12.50
12.56 12.29
12.61 12.37
12.50 12.61
I'm not sure what I learned from this, except that all the batteries dropped
by about 0.25 volts, give or take. What I don't understand is that I thought
that floodeds peaked out at 12.65 volts fully charged, and some batteries
here are higher than that.
I did have a weird event. Just when I was arriving at work, the car slowed
down to a crawl of about 1 mph, just before railroad tracks with the train
coming. What fun! It managed to crawl that way all the way into work, and
was just fine five ours later when I drove home. The Curtis controller did
not make the 1KHz whine, so it probably wasn't thermal shutdown. Bizarre.
Brian
http://www.skewray.com/alfa
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I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who took the time to send
feedback to The Discovery Channel. I have heard through one of my emails
that they were getting a lot of positive feedback. This will help to get
more EV related programs on Discovery. For those who haven't given feedback
please do so by sending your comments either by calling Discovery at
1-800-889-9950 and ask for viewer relations or go to
http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations and fill out their form in order
to make your comments. Even if you don't like me but do like EVs your
comments further the acceptance of EVs. It will not help me and I will not
get the series as I was let go from the contract over six months ago and I
would never go through that ordeal again. It severely damaged my company.
People think you are making big bucks being on TV but it is just the
opposite. We had to pay out of pocket to build GP and I can tell you that a
project of this magnitude does not come cheap. It wiped out our operating
capitol, but we will survive. As my ex wife said: I have a pitbull brain :-)
When I clamp on to an idea such as EVs I don't let go.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Hi everyone, especially Lee,
Lee, you wrote in January of 2003:
The circuitry in the standard 500-amp and optional *1000*-amp E-meters is
the same. All they do is change the software so it will display and do
its calculation for currents up to 1024 *amps* instead of 512 *amps*.
They provide a physically larger shunt, but it is still a 500amp 50mv
shunt. Since a shunt is just a resistor, the bigger one has a higher
wattage rating, as it needs to be at *1000 **amps*.
I'm just setting up my e-meter. I have a 50mv 1000 amp shunt (which
after talking to others, I don't think will give accurate readings on
the meter).
I also have the 500 amp 50mv shunt that came with the e-meter. With my
Z1K, this will obviously not be sufficient. So I'm looking at getting a
1000 amp 100mv shunt. Is this the right shunt?
And now to Lee's comment: how do change the software to do the 1024 thing?
Thanks,
Ryan
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Ryan Bohm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm just setting up my e-meter. I have a 50mv 1000 amp shunt (which
> after talking to others, I don't think will give accurate readings on
> the meter).
Think about it for a minute.
The original 500A 50mV shunt sends the meter 50mV when 500A flows
through it; the meter displays "500".
The 1000A 50mV shunt sends the meter 50mV when 1000A flows throught it;
the meter still displays "500" since its software translates 50mV to
"500".
The 1000A 50mV shunt is the *only* thing that will work with your stock
500A E-meter if you want to be able to sense up to 1000A. The accuracy
will be fine, but you will mentally have to remember that the true
current is 2x whatever the E-Meter indicates.
If you can get the E-meter software upgraded to the 1000A version, then
go with the 1000A 100mV shunt that Lee refers to. Asking here isn't
going to get your software upgraded; you need to contact the service
department at Xantrex to see if they offer that service and what it
costs. It may well be that you are better off selling the 500A meter
and buying the proper 1000A version than shipping yours back for a
software upgrade.
Cheers,
Roger.
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OK, The cabriolet springs might do it. But, I will be using 7 group 31
Optimas, 69lbs each for 483 lbs in front and 6 Optimas in the back. I
will be running an ADC 9" and Raptor 1200. I suppose I could put 6 in
the front and 7 in the back.
What do you think?
On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:33 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote:
Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm
having a problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of
7 Yellowtop Optimas.
The stock springs will work just fine. You are removing the
engine and the radiator. The 7 Optimas weigh 294 pounds. This is about
the same weight as the engine and radiator.
If you want to pick it up 3/4" or so, use Cabriolet springs.
My Wabbit has stock springs all the way around. It has 735
pounds of batteries all together. The car sits about an inch lower
than stock.
I put in after market sway bars so it would handle better.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
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Hi folks
What are the pros and cons of Optima group 31 over group 34? This has
probably already been mentioned on this list. Is there an archive to
check out.?
Thanks
John from SF
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We will be passing through Portland around 5 pm on Sunday June 12 and plan
to participate in the EV dinner mentioned previously. We'll stop by John
Wayland's house to see who else might be ready to get together. See some
of you there!
> [Original Message]
> From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 6/3/2005 7:08:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Portland Visit
>
> Hello to Bill and All,
>
> Bill Dennis wrote:
>
> > I'll be in Portland June 12-17 if anyone would like to get together for
any
> > or all of the following:
> >
> > 1) Have lunch
> > 2) Show off his/her EV
> > 3) Give a new guy some pointers.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Bill Dennis
>
> By all means, you're invited to stop by! I'll be home that weekend as I
had to make the
> hard decision not to go to the terrific Vancouver BC show this year, and
instead, will be
> feverishly working on race cars and such. You can go for a spin in Blue
Meanie, take in
> some hi fi vibes from the Heavy Metal Garden Tractor (if I can get its 8
year old
> batteries changed out ) or the Insight, and see the race vehicles in
their various forms
> of not-ready-for-prime-time state. This weekend, the Siamese 8 shell is
here as we are
> test fitting it into the Zombie's engine bay so we can design and build
new motor mounts.
> Maybe by the following weekend the new Hawker Aerobatteries will be
installed. Purple
> Phaze's BIG yellow beast is here for you to check out, and I bet I can
get Marko to stop
> by on his way back home from Canada to show you Fiamp, his super cool '59
Fiat 600, too.
> It's got a little 48V 6.7 inch Prestolite being hit by 120V through a
1000 amp DCP
> controller!
>
> I'm definitely up for lunch and or dinner...should I invite some of the
crazed EVers from
> around here to join us?
>
> Looking forward to meeting a new EV friend.
>
> See Ya.....John
>
>
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On Jun 3, 2005, at 10:33 AM, John Martin wrote:
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm
having a problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7
Yellowtop Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries,
much heavier than 7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is
really holding me back.
I suspect the front springs for a Rabbit Pickup would work well. The
Pickup rode about 1 inch higher than a Rabbit and the GTI about 1/2
inch lower than a standard Rabbit. I believe that the Pickup springs
are about the same as the lightest 85 Golf springs (at least locally I
found those two listed as the same spring at an auto parts store.) With
7 golf cart batteries in the Pickup I converted I found the heaviest
2nd generation Jetta springs (AC and automatic model) where about GTI
ride height. With 13 batteries in the front of the bed I didn't have to
change the rear springs :-)
Paul "neon" G.
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It looks as if Miramar High School will be able to bring there 944 to the Power
of DC. Shawn and Matt of SEVO are sponsoring our vehicle with the use of
Matt's own personal Z2K and his PFC 20. We are also powering up our twin
XP1227's with 240 volts. See you next week.
Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Bring your EVs and be on TV.
The Discovery Channel will be at the NEDRA Power of DC Saturday June 11
at the Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
This will be a great opportunity to get EVs out on a National level.
NBC TV plans to be there as well.
Besides being on TV, racers will have a chance to win trophies and cash
prizes and of course meet with other EV enthusiasts.
See the Power of DC website for more details.
Feel free to contact me for further information about the race.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc,com
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