EV Digest 4991
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: EV crashes Corvette Challenge party at Moroso!
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Book about plug-in hybrids
by Sherry Boschert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Open source EV community site (was Re: Open source car development?)
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Open source EV community site (was Re: Open source car development?)
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: pair of ev's on ebay...
by Ken Olum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Ultimate EV mix tape suggestions?Sorta?
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: EV crashes Corvette Challenge party at Moroso!
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Country Conversions
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Book about plug-in hybrids
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: AC prop reductive charger
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: EV crashes Corvette Challenge party at Moroso!
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Open source EV community site (was Re: Open source car development?)
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: AC prop reductive charger; Isolation importance?
by "Arthur W. Matteson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Open source EV community site (was Re: Open source car development?)
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Open source EV community site
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) ICS-200 AVCON head
by Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: pair of ev's on ebay...
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: advice on batteries
by "Adams, Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: links on evproduction.org wiki
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) RE: Country Conversions
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Sell me some battery heaters
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Book about plug-in hybrids
by Bob Siebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Begin Message ---On Mon, December 12, 2005 4:50 pm, Otmar said: > As for the wheel spin, I know you don't want to hear this, but there > is a very simple fix. Just turn the current down a bit in series > mode, or start in a taller gear (if you have one). > > If you have a peak holding meter then you can do a launch and read > the max motor current. That should happen at max traction. Then just > set the motor amps at about 50 amps less than that and you'll have a > great launch. I hear this advice a lot and I know there must be some logic to it, but it's not totally clear to me. When racing, for what reasons is reducing wheel torque (lower amps, taller gear) preferable to increasing traction (deflating tires, stickier rubber, wider wheels)? --chris
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--- Begin Message ---I'm writing a book about plug-in hybrid cars (Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America) to be published in Fall of 2006 by New Society Publishers. I am seeking the names (and contact info) of notable people who might be willing to review the book and have their endorsement printed on the back cover (assuming they like it, of course). Who do you think would be the most important people to solicit reviews from, who would add value to the book if it included their endorsements? These could be people in the auto industry, politics, environmentalists, the entertainment industry, or other sectors. Important -- Please contact me OFF list (so we don't bore everyone with endless emails) and include contact information for the names you suggest, if you can! Although I won't finish writing the book until April 1, 2006, the list of potential reviewers is being compiled by Dec. 20, 2005. That's the way the publishing cycle works. Any assistance you can provide in picking the best people for endorsements would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. Thanks in advance, Sherry Boschert 1484 16th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94122-3510 (415) 681-7731 Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America (Scheduled release: Fall, 2006, New Society Publishers) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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--- Begin Message --- I noticed some saying "the open source car", as in one. Since I'm pushing for a service for people to help make/promote/share their own cars/conversions/components (ala SourceForge), I'm knocking this over to a new topic. I'm hoping it will be home to hundreds of "open source car" and EV-related DIY projects.But the chat on a particular open source car project (ala Linux, FreeBSD) is still quite valid, so continue. I would personally suggest at least three - small, medium, and big. IMHOI'll just get out of your way and on to a better labeled topic, till the site is up ;)-- Stefan T. Peters
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--- Begin Message ---On 12/13/05, Stefan T. Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *make stuff*. I would say this is definitely not an "EV website" > designed to educate the general public, that would be much better served > by the EAA or your local EVA. I would call it a "Make your own EV" > website. It's like comparing "Car & Driver" with "Car Craft Magazine". Yes I agree. > I see a definite need for a two pronged approach. I would hate to see > commercial EVs take off and custom EVs wither away. I want both, darnit :P I think we will get both. But I think the successful commercial ones, if there are to be any, will come either out of this community or out of China, because our car companies aren't interested.
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--- Begin Message ---Hi Stefan and All, "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I noticed some saying "the open source car", as in one. Since I'm pushing for a service for people to help make/promote/share their own cars/conversions/components (ala SourceForge), I'm knocking this over to a new topic. I'm hoping it will be home to hundreds of "open source car" and EV-related DIY projects. But the chat on a particular open source car project (ala Linux, FreeBSD) is still quite valid, so continue. I would personally suggest at least three - small, medium, and big. IMHO = I agree as we could never get it one place and I don't think we should either as that would defeat the OS idea being dependent on one source. = My Idea is several major sites with room for articles, projects, info and above all, master link set ups to all the EV info on the web by people, companies, institutions, ect. = One can never have 'A' open source EV as there needs to be many. = Not only that, but we need the many other info sources like building bodies, chassis, legal, ect, that without, EV's can not be !! = We have a Knowleage Base list for much of this already and we need to add our EV links to it plus arrange it for better so it's easier to find the info on the type of EV one might want. = Maybe catagories like newbie, EV selection, then seperate ones on conversions, sedans, transport modules, 3wh EV's, bike type EV's, ect. =So having yours, the EVProduction or other Wiki and a couple other master info sources with onboard info and links to the other master and individual websites would serve the EV community much better than one list, source. Thanks, Jerry Dycus I'll just get out of your way and on to a better labeled topic, till the site is up ;) -- Stefan T. Peters --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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--- Begin Message ---Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:45:01 -0800 From: Lightning Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And an E10, with a photo under the hood, anyone lookin for an EV1 powertrain, I recognize that inverter!? $10K buys it now, he sais... He has replacement batteries? This seems like a very strange situation. He already auctioned this car on eBay and got a bid of $10K. But now he claims all high bids from the auction before were bogus and he's auctioning it again. The whole thing is done under a cloak of secrecy where you can't see the names of the bidders. You also can't see the feedback about the seller, except that he has 2 negative out of 14 ratings in the last year. The negatives are not in the last six months, so they don't stem from the previous auction of the same car. I'm very suspicious of the whole thing. Ken
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--- Begin Message ---"It's Electric" and "Electric Avenue" are two I use in parades. - Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Ultimate EV mix tape suggestions?Sorta? > Hi Ken; > > I have often asked the 78 RPM List about that, myself. Not much > response. There ARE stuff on old EV's like trolleys and Subways, comic songs > from the Titanic and earlier era, though.Like Subway Glide" Trolley Car > Swing" 1904 and 1912, respectively. Listening to records THAT old is > definately an aquired taste!<g>!As an avid collecter of RR stuff from that > era, there are a buncha songs related to trains, as there were a hell of a > lot of them 100 years ago."Where do you worka John? On the Delaware > Lacawann" from the twenties<g>! > > Seeya at 78 rpm > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:02 AM > Subject: Ultimate EV mix tape suggestions? > > > > I'm putting together a mix tape for EV travel. I am trying to think of > > cool songs that might have EV, Electric or Eco overtones or themes. I > > haven't had too much luck coming up with a list so far, so I thought I'd > > ask for ideas. > > > > -Ken Trough > > Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine > > http://visforvoltage.com > > AIM/YM - ktrough > > FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658) > > >
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--- Begin Message ---It's not preferable, but it is better than wheel spin until you can fix the traction problem. Even after fixing your traction problems, it is optimum to keep your torque just at but not over the limits of adhesion. Stay Charged! Hump Original Message ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Robison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: EV crashes Corvette Challenge party at Moroso! On Mon, December 12, 2005 4:50 pm, Otmar said: > As for the wheel spin, I know you don't want to hear this, but there > is a very simple fix. Just turn the current down a bit in series mode, > or start in a taller gear (if you have one). > > If you have a peak holding meter then you can do a launch and read the > max motor current. That should happen at max traction. Then just set > the motor amps at about 50 amps less than that and you'll have a great > launch. I hear this advice a lot and I know there must be some logic to it, but it's not totally clear to me. When racing, for what reasons is reducing wheel torque (lower amps, taller gear) preferable to increasing traction (deflating tires, stickier rubber, wider wheels)? --chris
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--- Begin Message ---Howdy, I was curious at what countries you CAN convert ICE cars over to EV's. At the EV convention in Vancouver while talking to folk's from different countries that had higher gas prices, the US was about the only country that you were allowed to convert. An Austrailian guy, a French guy, a British guy and someone from Singapore said that its' next to impossible to alter a vehicle due to the red tape involved, approvals and crash rating with batteries added. It seamed like in most countries you were *not* allowed to convert vehicles over to electric in the name of the great god "safety", probably to protect the high $5 plus per gallon of gas. have a renewable energy day, Mark
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--- Begin Message ---You probably already know about this guy, but they just featured it in Electronic Design magazine, www.PriUPS.com His name is Richard Factor, My email address at the .com Eventide is "rcf," he said, disorderedly, to avoid yet another source of spam. Rod --- Sherry Boschert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm writing a book about plug-in hybrid cars > (Plug-in > Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America) to be > published in Fall of 2006 by New Society Publishers. > > I am seeking the names (and contact info) of notable > people who might be willing to review the book and > have their endorsement printed on the back cover > (assuming they like it, of course). Who do you think > would be the most important people to solicit > reviews > from, who would add value to the book if it included > their endorsements? These could be people in the > auto > industry, politics, environmentalists, the > entertainment industry, or other sectors. > > Important -- Please contact me OFF list (so we don't > bore everyone with endless emails) and include > contact > information for the names you suggest, if you can! > > Although I won't finish writing the book until April > 1, 2006, the list of potential reviewers is being > compiled by Dec. 20, 2005. That's the way the > publishing cycle works. Any assistance you can > provide > in picking the best people for endorsements would be > greatly appreciated. > > Feel free to contact me if you have questions. > Thanks > in advance, > > Sherry Boschert > 1484 16th Avenue > San Francisco, CA 94122-3510 > (415) 681-7731 > > Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America > (Scheduled release: Fall, 2006, New Society > Publishers) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >
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--- Begin Message ---At 11:42 AM 13/12/05 -0500, Lee Hart wrote:You could use a boost converter to drive a buck converter; the boost converter provides PFC, and buck converter knocks its output down to your actual pack voltage.Hi AllFWIW a lot of high-power inverter-welder power sources use that method - boost to 900-ish volts from whatever the power line voltage is, then isolation/invert down for weld power. Haven't seen specifically that they behave in a truly PFC manner.James
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--- Begin Message ---I guess what I'm thinking is this: - Work toward the goal of applying as much power as your powerplant (motor+controller+batteries) will safely provide - If wheel torque exceeds traction, improve traction to eliminate wheel slip - If a part fails, replace with a stronger/better part - Repeat last step until nothing breaks. You're now going as fast as you can for your given weight and powerplant. To go faster, - reduce weight/friction/aero drag if possible, or - improve powerplant if possible and start process over. This assumes a lot, including an unlimited budget :o) At any rate, I can understand suggesting a reduction in current or a taller gear as an inexpensive or quick fix for getting hookup at the track. But as a general or long-term strategy, it seems counterintuitive. So if you're having to "keep your torque just at but not over the limits of adhesion" then ... well, you don't have enough adhesion. I don't hear a lot of folks making this case (and a lot of people saying cut power instead). This could be because it's obvious and not worth mentioning, or because its flawed in some way, such as its lack of benefit analysis, e.g. the increased weight of stronger parts and larger tires vs increased power throughput. --chris On Tue, December 13, 2005 2:10 pm, Tim Humphrey said: > It's not preferable, but it is better than wheel spin until you can fix > the traction problem. > > Even after fixing your traction problems, it is optimum to keep your > torque just at but not over the limits of adhesion. > > > Stay Charged! > Hump > > > Original Message ----------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chris Robison > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: EV crashes Corvette Challenge party at Moroso! > > On Mon, December 12, 2005 4:50 pm, Otmar said: >> As for the wheel spin, I know you don't want to hear this, but there >> is a very simple fix. Just turn the current down a bit in series mode, >> or start in a taller gear (if you have one). >> >> If you have a peak holding meter then you can do a launch and read the >> max motor current. That should happen at max traction. Then just set >> the motor amps at about 50 amps less than that and you'll have a great >> launch. > > I hear this advice a lot and I know there must be some logic to it, but > it's > not totally clear to me. > > When racing, for what reasons is reducing wheel torque (lower amps, taller > gear) preferable to increasing traction (deflating tires, stickier rubber, > wider wheels)? > > --chris > >
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--- Begin Message ---On 12/13/05, Stefan T. Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oops... I am actually hoping for some organization. SourceForge is not > the result of "one man's lone dream". The members/projects (like Linux, > Apache) are of course unmanaged by the community, that would just be > plain silly. But the community resources they employ must be managed, or > it won't work. The community infrastructure needs organization, but not > the individuals of the community. I think you have your scope a little > mixed up. Point taken. SourceForge itself is pretty new compared with Linux or the GNU Project, but many other open-source projects have benefitted very much from using the resources they provide. But what I was hearing was not just that the tools need to be very good ones (obviously that is helpful if they are) but that we need people to impose structure and discipline, and I think it is way too early for that. Probably better to just go with what we've got until a need for change becomes painfully obvious.
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--- Begin Message ---On 12/13/05, Stefan T. Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed some saying "the open source car", as in one. Since I'm > pushing for a service for people to help make/promote/share their own > cars/conversions/components (ala SourceForge), I'm knocking this over to > a new topic. I'm hoping it will be home to hundreds of "open source car" > and EV-related DIY projects. Of course there will probably be more than one, we hope. > I'll just get out of your way and on to a better labeled topic, till the > site is up ;) What site? It's already up. You still plan to create a new one?
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--- Begin Message ---Out of curiosity I studied the buck-boost topology last night and am considering experimenting with a 10kW PFC design in the next three years. It looks doable, and has the benefit of a wide line and load voltage variation. But I am somewhat confused on the importance of isolation (when and where). My Renault's 48/96V battery pack will be isolated from the body of the car (the accessory supply negative) so in case someone touches the batteries as well as the body they can't get shocked. When the motor is on, however, currents are induced and the car body acts as the "neutral" of the motor allowing electrocution (this is hard to avoid). I would think that since the pack is isolated from the car body, charging with an unisolated charger would be fine since the motor is off (and there are no induced currents there). Touching the batteries and the ground terminal (or the ground itself) would obviously be bad, but so would touching across the pack - especially since all of the batteries are in one spot to make 96V. This may be a silly question...but what is a summary of the isolation requirements of government agencies, U.S. or otherwise? (This is considering the charger would be inside the car, not outside, so maybe UL would not apply?) When should one isolate a high voltage - is it only for fibrillating AC? What priorities are different for innocent bystanders vs. battery attendants? What is the difference between isolation and insulation, and what is "double-insulation" in EV terms? - Arthur Who has recently shocked himself with over 200V twice! > If you also want PFC, then a plain buck converter isn't the best topology. > You could use a boost converter to drive a buck converter; the boost > converter provides PFC, and buck converter knocks its output down to your > actual pack voltage. Another possibility is the single-stage buck-boost > converter. But normal controllers don't use these topologies; I was > describing a method that uses the *existing* controller as a charger.
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--- Begin Message ---Hello Shawn: >> What we need (IMHO) is some organisation. I sincerely hoped that >> somebody >> from EAA would have come forward after my last (long) posting. But >> unfortunately, that didn't happen. Without some form of organisation, >> I am >> afraid that even the best intentions will ultimately fall short. > > No, you probably don't understand how "open source" works so let me > explain. Thank you for your insights. As I wrote the very first telnetd/rlogind as well as the first voice2voice applications for Linux (Kernel Version 0.90) I am quite familiar with the concept of freeware. But I also know, wouldn't it have been for the Fress Software Foundation, Yggdrasil, Red Hat, Suse and a few others, Linux would still be some geek system knowbody knows about. But of course, if you see EVing as something one should approach with some sort of 'hacker' ethics, I am wrong asking for some kind of an operational approach. If it is just to hook those floodies together and get the thing rolling, fine. But if we *ever* want to see EVs on the road that are using, well, not 90's technology but something more sophisticated, we need the support of 'Joe Sixpack'. Without any organisational support, without any public knowledge, we will see the day that even our EVs will be either be banned from the streets for some obscure reason or taxed to the point that it *really* doesn't make sense anymore to drive 'em. To come back to your Linux example: Linux would have long lost against Microsoft, Sun/Solaris, SCO and other *nix systems if IBM, Novell and others would not have pitched serious money against them. Everyone is welcome to hack a controller together. The hour of truth comes, when Siemens, GE or anybody else pulls their patent portfolios to squelch any grasroots development they might not like. Dont get me wrong: The 'Hacking' spirit is good, alive and well. But it thrieves only within a relatively secure environment provided by strong organisations. So - IMHO we have to find (or to create) that save heaven in order to keep the spirit strong. Michaela
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--- Begin Message ---Shawn Rutledge wrote:There is a source of free project site hosting for the non-tech with a shared forum and directory?On 12/13/05, Stefan T. Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I noticed some saying "the open source car", as in one. Since I'm pushing for a service for people to help make/promote/share their own cars/conversions/components (ala SourceForge), I'm knocking this over to a new topic. I'm hoping it will be home to hundreds of "open source car" and EV-related DIY projects.Of course there will probably be more than one, we hope.I'll just get out of your way and on to a better labeled topic, till the site is up ;)What site? It's already up. You still plan to create a new one?-- Stefan T. Peters
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--- Begin Message ---jerry dycus wrote:= I agree as we could never get it one place and I don't think we should either as that would defeat the OS idea being dependent on one source. = My Idea is several major sites with room for articles, projects, info and above all, master link set ups to all the EV info on the web by people, companies, institutions, ect. = One can never have 'A' open source EV as there needs to be many. = Not only that, but we need the many other info sources like building bodies, chassis, legal, ect, that without, EV's can not be !! = We have a Knowleage Base list for much of this already and we need to add our EV links to it plus arrange it for better so it's easier to find the info on the type of EV one might want. = Maybe catagories like newbie, EV selection, then seperate ones on conversions, sedans, transport modules, 3wh EV's, bike type EV's, ect. =So having yours, the EVProduction or other Wiki and a couple other master info sources with onboard info and links to the other master and individual websites would serve the EV community much better than one list, source.Thanks,Jerry DycusWell said. I see EVForge mainly as community hosting service (just like SourceForge), with some handy extras thrown in (forum, directory, gallery, etc.) for those using it. It wouldn't do any good to try to serve as the authority of EV information, as there are many good sources of that. It's merely a service (one out of many others, like this list) for people who build EVs helping people who build EVs. It's side effect will be to provide a good general showcase of what can be done on the individual level, thus drawing in new participants. Just like SourceForge.-- Stefan T. Peters
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--- Begin Message ---Hey, Can you buy an ICS-200 AVCON head? I would like to buy one, any info would be appreciated. Also, do you know how much they went for when they were sold new? Thanks!
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--- Begin Message --- The S-10 is practically in my back yard, but the seller hasn't responded to repeated inquires from me. This is the second time listed... I'm not sure if seller or the buyer is playing games.It appears that the seller majorly hacked up the original battery design. The cable to the battery pack that was under the body now goes into the bed - I assume the "new" batteries are under the orange tarp in the bed. I suspect it never ran much if at all with the replacement batteries as the ccomputer will take a nutty if the batteries don't behave exactly as expected. I don't know if he preserved the original battery box and electronics.If anyone makes contact with the seller, I'd love to talk to him as I have one of these trucks and have the tools to rebuild the pack.Lightning Ryan wrote:There's another RAV4-EV on ebay, $25K at the moment... And an E10, with a photo under the hood, anyone lookin for an EV1 powertrain, I recognize that inverter!? $10K buys it now, he sais... He has replacement batteries? Wonder how close of a match the motor and mounts are? http://search.ebay.com/electric-vehicle_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3 L8r Ryan-- Jim Coate 1970's Elec-Trak's 1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV 1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel http://www.eeevee.com
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--- Begin Message ---Michaela Merz wrote:Indeed - hence the need for a SourceForge equivalent service for EV experimenters. Hopefully the EAA + all the local chapters will step forward to promote and maintain such a haven. I'm just trying to get it built for now. First thing first, heh? I do think a service like this will need a ongoing "organizational advocate" so that it can stay connected to the agencies which are in the best position to help it grow.Dont get me wrong: The 'Hacking' spirit is good, alive and well. But it thrieves only within a relatively secure environment provided by strong organisations. So - IMHO we have to find (or to create) that save heaven in order to keep the spirit strong. MichaelaI think it may have just found one, no? -- Stefan T. Peters
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--- Begin Message ---My car uses 18 of the 8-volt batteries. My experience has shown that the US 8VGC provide a little more range and the Trojan T875's a little more life. Could be related to the recommended charging algorithm which differs slightly between them. My 43 mile commute is about the limit for a 144 V system with 8V lead. If your desired range is proportionally less than that, you should have no problems using either brand. Lynn Adams 52,000 miles on my electric civic since March 2002. See my 100% electric car at http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/379.html -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David McWethy Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:20 AM To: EVList Subject: Re: advice on batteries Thanks, David My battery box is set up for the 8 volts. I'm not sure if I want to add the additional weight for 5 more batteries, although I suppose they could go in front. Would the 15 8 V charge faster than 20 6 V? Where I am I don't need much range - all short trips, and I can charge in between. Does this argue that 8V is acceptable? Dave
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--- Begin Message ---On 12/13/05, Michaela Merz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for your insights. As I wrote the very first telnetd/rlogind as > well as the first voice2voice applications for Linux (Kernel Version 0.90) > I am quite familiar with the concept of freeware. OK, I respect that. > But I also know, wouldn't it have been for the Fress Software Foundation, > Yggdrasil, Red Hat, Suse and a few others, Linux would still be some geek > system knowbody knows about. That's after-the-fact marketing. Something had to exist before the commercial guys got to that stage, and the free distro's like Slackware were already there to show them the way, too. > Everyone is welcome to hack a controller together. The hour of truth > comes, when Siemens, GE or anybody else pulls their patent portfolios to > squelch any grasroots development they might not like. Well that will be a risk that will be very difficult to deal with. How do you think we can mitigate it?
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--- Begin Message ---Shawn Rutledge wrote:With enough talented individuals *sharing* information, just about any patent can be got around. There are examples beyond count to that effect. Ever wonder why FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD can't be called Unix, even though they are the direct decedents of it? When the patent waving started, they fell back, regrouped, and replaced/rewrote every component/system they had to (as well as agree to never call it Unix) so they could be free of them.On 12/13/05, Michaela Merz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Thank you for your insights. As I wrote the very first telnetd/rlogind as well as the first voice2voice applications for Linux (Kernel Version 0.90) I am quite familiar with the concept of freeware.OK, I respect that.But I also know, wouldn't it have been for the Fress Software Foundation, Yggdrasil, Red Hat, Suse and a few others, Linux would still be some geek system knowbody knows about.That's after-the-fact marketing. Something had to exist before the commercial guys got to that stage, and the free distro's like Slackware were already there to show them the way, too.Everyone is welcome to hack a controller together. The hour of truth comes, when Siemens, GE or anybody else pulls their patent portfolios to squelch any grasroots development they might not like.Well that will be a risk that will be very difficult to deal with. How do you think we can mitigate it?With enough cooperation, obstacles like those can be overcome, when they appear. You don't think anyone with deep pockets ever tried to "squelch" parts of Linux?-- Stefan T. Peters
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--- Begin Message ---Hi all, I'd just like to say that it is not next to impossible to convert and regsiter an EV for road use in Australia. My particular instance was difficult because the Roads and Traffic Authority were a little freaked by my lithium batteries. For a more common lead acid battery conversion, there are quite reasonable rules and regulations to cover the usual safety things. (Batteries securely mounted, brakes and suspension handle the extra weight, HV cables kept away from passengers, a mechanical kill switch in reach of the driver) Mark ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Hanson Sent: Wed 12/14/2005 7:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Country Conversions Howdy, I was curious at what countries you CAN convert ICE cars over to EV's. At the EV convention in Vancouver while talking to folk's from different countries that had higher gas prices, the US was about the only country that you were allowed to convert. An Austrailian guy, a French guy, a British guy and someone from Singapore said that its' next to impossible to alter a vehicle due to the red tape involved, approvals and crash rating with batteries added. It seamed like in most countries you were *not* allowed to convert vehicles over to electric in the name of the great god "safety", probably to protect the high $5 plus per gallon of gas. have a renewable energy day, Mark<<winmail.dat>>
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--- Begin Message --- Anyone try using the flat heaters that are used in water beds? I have no idea if they'd work ...http://www.myrest.com/Itemdesc~product~Thermal+Guardian+Low+Watt+Solid+State~ic~INOTGLWSSH~eq~~Tp~.htm Roy LeMeur wrote:Hi FolksI am doing some comparison shopping for flat battery heaters, I know there are quite a few different ones.Reliability is more important than low cost. Looking for a reliable product and supplier. Please contact me off-list. roylemeur at hotmail dot com Thanks! . Roy LeMeur Olympia WA My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
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--- Begin Message ---Hello Sherry:Greg Hanssen who was the first to develop a viable plug-in hybrid product and Lester Brown (Worldwatch and Earth Policy Institute) who mentioned plug-in hybrids in a cover letter announcing their new book "Plan B 2.0".Greg's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Earth Policy's web site is www.earth-policy.org./Bob Siebert On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Sherry Boschert wrote:I'm writing a book about plug-in hybrid cars (Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America) to be published in Fall of 2006 by New Society Publishers. I am seeking the names (and contact info) of notable people who might be willing to review the book and have their endorsement printed on the back cover (assuming they like it, of course). Who do you think would be the most important people to solicit reviews from, who would add value to the book if it included their endorsements? These could be people in the auto industry, politics, environmentalists, the entertainment industry, or other sectors. Important -- Please contact me OFF list (so we don't bore everyone with endless emails) and include contact information for the names you suggest, if you can! Although I won't finish writing the book until April 1, 2006, the list of potential reviewers is being compiled by Dec. 20, 2005. That's the way the publishing cycle works. Any assistance you can provide in picking the best people for endorsements would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. Thanks in advance, Sherry Boschert 1484 16th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94122-3510 (415) 681-7731 Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America (Scheduled release: Fall, 2006, New Society Publishers) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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