EV Digest 5047
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re:S10 reverse
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) Re: Reversing a siamese motor
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Weatherizing a Zilla1K, PFC20 and WarP 9
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) If you visit the UK
by "Arthur Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Weatherizing a Zilla1K, PFC20 and WarP 9
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Weatherizing a Zilla1K, PFC20 and WarP 9, comments
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Madman is back from MG
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site, an' Stuff
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Madman is back from MG
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Reverseing a siamese motor
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: The Big Guy
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EV Warrior for quick sale
by Tim Clevenger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Stuffing the Ballot Box
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: The Big Guy
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I think I will go with the starter mounted to the motor plate and ring gear
idea for now.Its power will come from a pc1700 hawker battery mounted towards
the front of the truck,exact position to be determined after truck is
running.That large agm will also power all the 12v loads and be charged while
the
traction pack is being charged. The backup circuit in the
current eliminator(that John W. explained in an eariler post)does draw lots of
current(less if you position your brushes correctly)about350 amps.but at some
point there will be a couple of 2ks hooked up so I am just going the starter
setup for now. Dennis Berube
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Maybe we are looking at this wrong.
What if you replaced the zilla 2K with 2 zilla 1K's? one for the fields
and one for the armatures, a really stought sep-ex.
A reversing contactor setup is on one controller only. You can tune
the field max current and the armature max current seperately and
reverse as needed.
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On rare occasion we get -29*C (-20*F) here in Anchorage. Sounds like I may
be looking to heat the thing, or at least insulate it some for winter
driving. It will live in a heated garage at night and park in a building
parking garage for ~10 hours during the work day. I suspect that just
operating it moderately would heat it up inside an enclosure to well above
the cap specs. Its just my guess that I'd see some efficiency gain
operating it in the cold, maybe some on the motor too. The only hit I'll
take is loss of battery capacity plus having to run a heater (which is no
minor thing). My thinking about the base plate cooling would be to mount it
in a Nema 3X enclosure and hang a large power supply size heat sink that has
a sealed penetration directly to the base plate. If I could get enough
cooling from that to operate a moderate daily commuter in +20*C (+70*F) I
might not need water cooling.
The conversion is a Mitsibishi MightyMax P/U. 2350 lbs curb weight right
now on my driveway. I'm figuring 3350 lbs once converted.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Otmar
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Weatherizing a Zilla1K, PFC20 and WarP 9
At 12:09 AM -0900 1/2/06, Mike & Paula Willmon wrote:
......
>I'm wondering if the Zilla power unit could be housed the same way, as long
>as adequate liquid cooling is provided. Does anyone know if the liquid
>cooled heat sink that is fixed to the power transistors is also
conductively
>mounted to the base plate of the Zilla power unit?
Hello Mike,
That's a good question, though I am not clear on how it applies to
your installation.
The Heatsink in the middle of the controller is moderately thermally
connected to the baseplate. Cooling the baseplate without cooling
water in the heatsink could work in some of the lightest conversions,
or certainly in the winter where you are, but should not be relied
upon in general.
The Zilla can be mounted in a sealed container so long as it has
cooling water. The Hairball makes very little heat and so could be in
the same enclosure. I suppose that in very hot climates a circulating
fan inside the sealed box would be helpful.
Yours is the first Zilla installation that I know of in Alaska. I'm
curious to see how it does in the extreme cold. The main power
capacitors in it are only rated to hold spec down to -25 degrees C.
How cold does it get up there anyway?
--
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com
Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was reading the recent Lotus ReMarque newsletter (October-November 2005,
Volume 33, No. 8) and came across the following in the article "Work and
Play in a Lotus: More Stories from Across the Pond" by Andrew R. Barron:
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...I even had time for a detour to the Heritage Motor Centre, Gaydon
(www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk). The Heritage Motor Centre is home to the
world's largest collection of historic British cars. Visitors can follow the
evolution of the British motor car from 1896 through the decades to the
present day.
As I arrived I noticed a large number of MGFs (they share the same
engine/gear box as the S1 Elise). It turned out to be more than just a few.
After parking the car I walked down to the museum and wow! There were about
700 MG-Fs parked outside. This was their LOG. Cars from all over Europe were
there. In addition to the last MG sports car produced, there were also about
30 MGAs, MGBs and some older models. Just imagine of LOG would look like
that in a few years with all the Elise cars being sold in the US.
The museum is mainly for models from the old British Leyland Group,
including, Rover, Triumph, Jaguar, Land Rover, etc. However, there were
others represented, including several Sevens and an electric Elise! Most of
the exhibits you can touch and staff are on hand to open doors, bonnets, and
boots for a closer look. The museum is nicely laid out and is free (although
donations are requested).
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This is in the Green By Design exhibition that also includes a couple other
electrics and hybrids. I believe that this 2000 Lotus Electric Elise is the
one that we heard about a few years ago that used oil cooled motors and had
very impressive performance numbers.
The article also includes a photo with the caption "Inside the "engine bay"
of the electric Elise at Gaydon Museum - a great idea at $8 per gallon!"
So if you are visiting the UK, the Gaydon museum may be a good place to
include in your sights to see.
Art
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It bothers me, and it should bother everyone!!! Honesty is always the best
policy - and the way the votes are going, I don't think we need to be
dishonest about it.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 12:43:55 -0800, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >here might be a way to vote more than once per day... many of us have
> >multiple userids on our computers. I wonder if you logged off one id
> >and log in another ... if you couldn't vote again and have your vote
> >count??
>
> They probably log IP addresses. If so and if you're on dialup, just
> hang up and dial back in. You'll probably get a different IP address.
>
> That said, does it not bother anyone else that this "stuffing the
> ballot box" is cheating? As they say in Louisiana, if everyone "votes
> early and votes often", what does it accomplish?
>
> I'm not even sure what this "raise awareness" really means. I'm sure
> most every car guy has heard of EVs one way or another. Does that
> other built Datsun raise awareness of, oh, turbochargers? Did Don
> Garlits' steam and air powered dragsters raise awareness of those
> energy sources? I have a photo here in my collection of a drag bike
> powered with about 36 chainsaws. Chainsaw awareness?
>
> I just don't get it.
>
> John
> ---
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.johngsbbq.com
> Cleveland, Occupied TN
> A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo
Emerson
>
>
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Hello Mike & Paula,
I mounted my Zilla, main contactor, shunt, and 12 volt starting relays on a
chassis plate that is extended from the firewall about 8 inches. The chassis
has a fan mount on one side for a 6 inch Dayton blower fan with a 6 inch
carburetor air filter. There is a louver exhaust grill on the other side.
There is inlet cutout in the bottom of the enclosure for the water cool hoses
to come in.
The reason the enclosure is extended from the firewall and mounted up high so
its only 1/2 inch from the hood, so its away from the hood edges for rain or
snow getting into it. I also install a trunk like weather stripping on the
hood back and edges.
I also have a Stewart Warner temperature sensor mounted on the heat sink that
runs to a 0 to 600 degree F gage. There is also a standard Stewart Warner
coolant temperature sender mounted in the water cooling system that is mounted
on brass fittings on the return line coming out a oil cooler radiator.
The Warp 9 motor has a additional 6 inch filter Dayton blower motor that is
mounted right on the brush screen covers which is held in place with a steel
frame that bolts to the motor face that has two 5/16 inch bolts holes. This
increase the airflow as to keep any rain or splash up out. Also, I drape a 1/8
inch rubber skirting that is fasten to the inner fenders which covers the
suspensions system going all the way down over the frame member and beside the
motors.
I had no problem pushing threw a foot of snow, because the motor is mounted
just rear of the existing engine cross member and a bit higher than the bottom.
The cross member has a welded angle deflector on the front that is up lifted
like ski's.
If its below 0 degrees, I leave the cooling system off until the Zilla warms up
to 100 degrees, than I may just turn on the fans only to keep it below 100
degrees. In the summer with under hood temperature of 140 degrees and the
ambient air at 100 degrees, I can maintain a Zilla temperature of 99 degrees
with the pumps and fans going.
If its raining or snowing, than I will turn on the fans to pressure the units.
I do not park this EV outside not for more than a hour at a time. Its park
inside a building that has over 80 R-factor that maintains year around
temperature of 70 degrees. If the out side temperature is 30 below, the inside
compartments are stilling reading 60 to 65 degrees. Its takes a while to cool
down enclose compartments.
The battery and battery charger are also install in totally enclose fiberglass
compartments that are also fan cool and exhaust with explosion proof fans.
There are double gasket covers that hinge over the batteries and charger
compartments. After I open the charger cover, the PFC-50 rises up on air
struts for access to the controls. There is a addition hinged cover with a
rear glass that covers all these compartments.
To see what this unit looks like:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/470.html<http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/470.html>
Roland
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From: Mike & Paula Willmon<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:09 AM
Subject: Weatherizing a Zilla1K, PFC20 and WarP 9
Anyone have any feedback on weather proofing the electrics under the hood?
Don's Beetle Electric looks pretty sharp. I'm thinking the Nema 3X
enclosures (or even Pelican Cases) would work fine for a Zilla Hairball,
contactors, breakers and a PFC20. For the charger a louvered fan could stay
closed and off during driving and switched to come on during charging.
I'm wondering if the Zilla power unit could be housed the same way, as long
as adequate liquid cooling is provided. Does anyone know if the liquid
cooled heat sink that is fixed to the power transistors is also conductively
mounted to the base plate of the Zilla power unit?
How do the motors such as ADC and WarP hold up in damp environments? I
would think not too well under a car in the rain. Has anyone running a
daily commuter done any weatherizing of their motors?
My conversion will be to a 1988 Mitsubishi MightyMax w/ 16 Deka Intimidators
between the frame members. I'm not so worried about waterproofing them,
just keeping them insulated in the winter :-O
Mike
Anchorage, Ak.
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From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:23 pm
Subject: RE: PVC Box or something
Yep. All they grey boxes in this pic
<http://www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/images/NewBeetleEngine.jpg<http://www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/images/NewBeetleEngine.jpg>>
are
weatherproof enclosures from the local electrical supply place. Home depot
has them as well. I can darn near spray the whole engine compartment with
water, without too much concern. Victoria, BC, Canada See the New
Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/<http://www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] </group/ev-list-archive/post?
On Behalf Of Cwarman
Sent: October 19, 2005 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
</group/ev-list-archive/post?
Subject: PVC Box or something ?
Wouldnt it be nicer to have some type of element controlled box to place all
the electronics inside of that mounted under the hood? Coudl have a 12vlt
fan pumping air thru it etc ? Living in northern Maine im nervous about the
elements so im trying to come up with a solution.. FYI, Got my warp 9
installed today into the S10......man this is fun! CWarman
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Hi Mike;
snip-a-bit>
No problem, been running a rebuilt by Warfield, so it 'aint pure ADV 9
inch motor in a Rabbit conversion for about 5 years, in all kinds of
weather. The comm. stays clean, although the rest of the inside of the motor
durties up a bit. Having the covers, vented band that came with the motor
helps keep the worst of it out. Was a bit concerned about it, but other
stuff was MORE a problem, like just a HINT of water in or around the DCP
Rapter controller, being shut down, EVen super DAMP daze were an issue.
Finally built a Batsonian style plywood shield, mounting board to keep
things dry. Looks like shit, covering the motor-tranny, but it has solved,
in a crude way, the water issue as well as fiberglassing over the Rabbit
grille. Ya sure don't need one, and I heard it improves aerodynamics? Too
bad DCP didn't make the damn controllers a bit more waterproof. I have
thought of putting it under the Pass side seat or inside the rear battery
box, the Glove Compartment<g>! Anyother DRY part of the car. Heat doesn't
seem to be an issue here. All my controller failures were moisture related,
still have the factory installed blue smoke!
I think in rextreame conditions, a lotta running on, say wet, salted
roads, snowy crappy slushy condititions ,closing up the motor and a forced
fan deal, in at the brush end and exhaust at the other end, or jusyt a hose
to a DRY area of the engine room, maybe with a cheepo paper air filter, let
the motor's fan do the venting, as chances are it's COLD so motor heating
may not be an issue?
My two BTU's Worth.
Seeya at BBB
Bob
> How do the motors such as ADC and WarP hold up in damp environments? I
> would think not too well under a car in the rain. Has anyone running a
> daily commuter done any weatherizing of their motors?
>
> My conversion will be to a 1988 Mitsubishi MightyMax w/ 16 Deka
Intimidators
> between the frame members. I'm not so worried about waterproofing them,
> just keeping them insulated in the winter :-O
>
More. I would guess in AK that cold WILL be an issue. In tropical CT
where it can drop to only 0 at extreames, this knocks the shit out of range
with openly exsposed batteries. But if I USED the car EVery day, charged in
a semi heated garage I could still do my 26 mi commute. In extreames I
didn't bother, as my heater wasn't enough for single diguit temps! Didn't
wanna seal up the battery boxes because they would overheat in our
subtropical 90 degree stuff in the summer..global warming?EVerything's a
tradeoff, sigh!
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works for those microsofts machines also....
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Stefan Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
>
> For all of you with Linux/BSD machines, why not add a crontab calling a
> shell script once a day to vote. That way you can't forget ;) Here are
> the URLs that you need to fetch/wget/curl:
>
> For White Zombie - "http://www.dragtimes.com/voteprocess.php?slipID=7484";
> For the Nissan 240SX -
> "http://www.dragtimes.com/voteprocess.php?slipID=7382";
>
> It's a simple GET, no POST needed to count your vote.
>
>
>
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"White Zombie" is now number 12 and on the front page of Drag Times. For
those of us in the industry who use Google and Yahoo know, being on the
front page has nothing whatsoever to do with marketing or the selling of an
idea, yeah, right!
Roderick Wilde
President, EV Parts, Inc.
www.evparts.com
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From: "Ken Trough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
Neon John wrote:
I just don't get it.
A truer statement has never been made in this forum. I finally agree with
something Neon John posted. Must be a holiday or something. 8^)
-Ken Trough
Admin - V is for Voltage Magazine
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Madman,
I must admit your level of BS is only overshadowed by your self
confidence.
Thank god you were there to keep it all together.
Are you sure Shawn was even there at all?
Sincerely,
Drunk and Worthless (Shawn and John)
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From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:14:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Madman is back from MG
Yea I am Back...
a Little hacked off... Still amazed at what we did... and that we are
all
alive with no burns...
I have to do some reading to catch up on a LOT of threads...
The abuse didn't stop... the MG crew just kept the crap coming.
The West Coast Chopper crew were the fine professionals you would
expect.
They deserve a heart felt thanks, they get to straiten out the things
the MG
teams don't get right.
We took about 2.5 hours of thier time...We had one of the cleanest
builds
they ever had.
The paint guys were under the impossible time limits we were, They got
there
at the crack of dawn like we did... And Busted Butt.
If we were not at the paint booth at 6:15 am we would not have had a
chance
to remove and charge the Z28 Lions. We got very lucky by getting up
early.
That would be Shawn and I.
John was still in the air I don't think he even got any sleep coming in
from
Milwaukee.
After we unloaded the Batteries, Shawn had to run and pick up John Zick
from
Millwaukee at the airport.
This was all happening on Thursday... the day we were supposed to have
the
Car from Dawn To dusk for our EV tune ups and testing... Yea... Right...
At 11:20 am we had all the Z28 Lions charged... and no car to load them
into...
The only reasonable thing to do... was simply get Messed up Drunk.
We did that with Team spirt... 100 flavors of Tequila. At Tequila Jack's
down on the Long Beach water front. 6800 air miles... and No car to
work
on.
We got there at 11:32... two minutes after opening... Right on time I
would
say.
They take away our one day to clean stuff up....Nice..... Gimme another
one.
Sara, the Blonde California Barmaid Goddess... did a real good job of
keeping the EoTH flowing...
I got tossed the Keys at about 3pm... I was dry by 5pm .... Shawn and
John... were... getting sloppy by that time.....
And doing dangerous things with cell phones and Monster Garage phone
lists...
Oh Boy....What fun...
We got out of the Bar at about 5 pm... got back to the motel...where I
hear
they had the bar set up ....without the Check in guy's help...
We all had a glass of wine ready to go... then Shawn's cell phone
rings...
Hey the cars Ready!! Clearly they knew we were drunk... and in no
shape to
drive,
'Cept for one thing...Madman was Still Clean ... I never downed that
glass
of wine. Shawn says Great see ya in 10 minutes with the fresh
batteries...
I think I could hear the MG guy laughing...when shawn shut his Phone
off.
Kill mode on.... We all jumped back into the Sub...thank God Shawn
upgraded
the Rental!... we were at MG in about 4 minutes...yea I was driving...
loaded up the 384 Z28 Lions..
And were at West Coast Choppers in about another 2 minutes... Just in
time
to see the MG Guy pull out and leave in haste....
What the Heck???
We drove into the Paint booth ....just in time to see the paint guy
spraying
the Clear coat on..... That kept us off the car until morning....
Nice here we go again....now we don't even have a late night thrash...
The
paint guys have been busting Butt all day. The car is a Sharp Milwaukee
Tool
RED with logos and letters. it looks sharp!
Again the folks at West Coast have done the impossible... But now we
are out
of time with 900 lbs of Lions in the back of the Sub.....Our only work
slot
is from 5 am on Friday to 7:45 amp when it HAS TO BE on the trailer to
the
Track.....160 miles up the road.
So..What do we do..... more drink... lets get some real food instead of
...
the liquid kind...Off to Green Banks Brizillian Steak House... more
Margaritas... and more Red meat.
We were back by 10 something to get up at 4:30 to do our best with what
time
we had.
This is just Day one down there....
Day two Starts at 4:15 with Shawn and I planning the day in the dark...
Not
a LOT of sleep ,just enough...
More later...
MADMAN.
My Redhead is trying to keep me dry on Newyear's Eve.... I really do
need to
clense the body... But I am still just a bit to....
Oh you get the idea.
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From: "Neon John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zombie at DragTimes Web Site
Hi All;
Snip-a-bit
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:17:13 -0800, John Wayland
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Hello to All,
> >
> >Neon John wrote:
> >> But to what purpose?
> What's the goal here? No one can go out and buy a Zombie nor even a
> kit to build one like it. No one I know of is doing high performance
> EV conversions. (maybe an opportunity for you there, John.) When the
> guy walks up and says "I want one", what do you tell him? Especially
> if he's a "wallet hotrodder" with few technical skills.
>
Like drag racing, in itself, is a waste of rubber, and time EXCEPT it
inproves the technology, sorta like wars, but with less loss of life!
Usually<g>!Was watching a pogram, last nite, about extreame Yachts. A 113
footer that could go 75 MPH, with all the luxuries that you would expect.
20k hp to get this hulk on a plane,(Thats 4 times the power in a WW2 Liberty
ship, which could carry this rig as deck cargo, and 10k tons of say,
locomotives ,BELOW deck,)meaning skimming on top of the water. Like drag
racing it was showing the technology.Whole damn boat was builty of some
light laninate, so it was less than half the weight of other 113 footers.
Personally, I liked the 1921 STEAM ship built for the Dodge motor guyz in
the 20's. Last big steam one still afloat. 300 foot of it, a mini Liner! The
guy commented that the 78-80 rpm of thre recip engine was smoother than
modern Diseasels. The" Delphene" it was called, bet ya can Google it? won a
pile of awards for restoration. Gees! for what it just costs to BUY one of
these, you could start a car co!
In the meantime Joe Sixpack is loosing his Med coverage, being asked to
contribute MORE to his retirement IF it will be there as promised.IE, GM,
anybody WE know?And too many 50ish guyz out there too young to retire, too
old to hire ,delemma.
Too political an' OT, here. But back to the story. John, Matt, Jim
Husted,Shawn, both of 'em, Otmar ,Madman and a buncha others, are pushing
the EV technology. As it sez on Zombie's trunk lid;"We break Things, so You
Don't Have To"That prety much sums it up. No secrets here, John is only too
happy to show you ALL the Zombie's technology. Just ask! And you can cook
one up of your own, knock yurself out!
> I can understand your wanting to crow about your car, John. I would
> too. Slick effort. Heck, if I could buy something like it (I'd want
> a 510 instead of that little 1200) for a reasonable price I would. But
> I still do see how that has anything to do with this whole "Awareness"
> thing. Or about cooking the vote on an obscure racing website.
> >
And out of "Occupied Tennesee" comes the" De Armond Challenger" First time
out, hitting Joliet RT66 Raceway, a Datsun Just a bit of fantisizing<g>!510,
taking on the White Zombie, in a midwest Shootout, of EV racing power.John
DeA doesn't have the time and money to bother, like the rest of us?!
> >Sorry you've missed the point of this exercise. The rest of us do 'get
> >it', and we know that having a strong performing EV recognized and
> >featured at this site, will indeed, raise EV awareness...big time! I
> >have no doubts at all, that more than a few new EVers will be born from
> >their exposure to this, and that's the way we do it for now, one convert
> >at a time.
> One car at a time, Often said that during Show-an'-tell, like to think
I have influenced SOMEBODY into the EV thing.
> That'd be nice but I doubt it. I'd be surprised at even one convert.
> Shocked by 5. It's just too hard to get people to step outside the
> box. Especially if they can't buy it at a store or dealership.
>
I second that, Sigh! If folks can't just go out and BUY it and treat it
as an appliance. Quick quiz; Can you REALLY remember what brand washer an'
dryer, stove, and fridge you own? No cheating, or peaking! Toaster, computer
,no contest, yur SITTING in front of it!, TV, toilet?Most people think of
cars that way. It gets me there, is the first thought. it .DAMN WELL better
run, gotta get to work! If it don't, it is gotten rid of pretty quick! Dump
is full of dead washers and driers, tv's and toilets, that didn't make it!
Seeya at BBB
Bob
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Hello Rich,
I was at Home Depot and happen to see one of the Milwaukee 28 volt battery pack
and charger.
Did they used the tool batteries as is?, or were they modified to bolt on a
buss bar connections.
Did you used the same type of charger that is used on these battery packs?
It looks like that the chargers could be modified, so that all the batteries
could be charge while left in the vehicle. Just slide in a connection with
battery clip leads into the charger and connect to each 28 volt battery.
This would work, if the each battery was not parallel to each other, but were
install in a string of 9 for 252 volts and than the strings were all parallel
together.
Of course it would take 384 chargers if you wanted to charge them all at the
same time.
Roland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Madman is back from MG
Madman,
I must admit your level of BS is only overshadowed by your self
confidence.
Thank god you were there to keep it all together.
Are you sure Shawn was even there at all?
Sincerely,
Drunk and Worthless (Shawn and John)
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From: Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:14:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Madman is back from MG
Yea I am Back...
a Little hacked off... Still amazed at what we did... and that we are
all
alive with no burns...
I have to do some reading to catch up on a LOT of threads...
The abuse didn't stop... the MG crew just kept the crap coming.
The West Coast Chopper crew were the fine professionals you would
expect.
They deserve a heart felt thanks, they get to straiten out the things
the MG
teams don't get right.
We took about 2.5 hours of thier time...We had one of the cleanest
builds
they ever had.
The paint guys were under the impossible time limits we were, They got
there
at the crack of dawn like we did... And Busted Butt.
If we were not at the paint booth at 6:15 am we would not have had a
chance
to remove and charge the Z28 Lions. We got very lucky by getting up
early.
That would be Shawn and I.
John was still in the air I don't think he even got any sleep coming in
from
Milwaukee.
After we unloaded the Batteries, Shawn had to run and pick up John Zick
from
Millwaukee at the airport.
This was all happening on Thursday... the day we were supposed to have
the
Car from Dawn To dusk for our EV tune ups and testing... Yea... Right...
At 11:20 am we had all the Z28 Lions charged... and no car to load them
into...
The only reasonable thing to do... was simply get Messed up Drunk.
We did that with Team spirt... 100 flavors of Tequila. At Tequila Jack's
down on the Long Beach water front. 6800 air miles... and No car to
work
on.
We got there at 11:32... two minutes after opening... Right on time I
would
say.
They take away our one day to clean stuff up....Nice..... Gimme another
one.
Sara, the Blonde California Barmaid Goddess... did a real good job of
keeping the EoTH flowing...
I got tossed the Keys at about 3pm... I was dry by 5pm .... Shawn and
John... were... getting sloppy by that time.....
And doing dangerous things with cell phones and Monster Garage phone
lists...
Oh Boy....What fun...
We got out of the Bar at about 5 pm... got back to the motel...where I
hear
they had the bar set up ....without the Check in guy's help...
We all had a glass of wine ready to go... then Shawn's cell phone
rings...
Hey the cars Ready!! Clearly they knew we were drunk... and in no
shape to
drive,
'Cept for one thing...Madman was Still Clean ... I never downed that
glass
of wine. Shawn says Great see ya in 10 minutes with the fresh
batteries...
I think I could hear the MG guy laughing...when shawn shut his Phone
off.
Kill mode on.... We all jumped back into the Sub...thank God Shawn
upgraded
the Rental!... we were at MG in about 4 minutes...yea I was driving...
loaded up the 384 Z28 Lions..
And were at West Coast Choppers in about another 2 minutes... Just in
time
to see the MG Guy pull out and leave in haste....
What the Heck???
We drove into the Paint booth ....just in time to see the paint guy
spraying
the Clear coat on..... That kept us off the car until morning....
Nice here we go again....now we don't even have a late night thrash...
The
paint guys have been busting Butt all day. The car is a Sharp Milwaukee
Tool
RED with logos and letters. it looks sharp!
Again the folks at West Coast have done the impossible... But now we
are out
of time with 900 lbs of Lions in the back of the Sub.....Our only work
slot
is from 5 am on Friday to 7:45 amp when it HAS TO BE on the trailer to
the
Track.....160 miles up the road.
So..What do we do..... more drink... lets get some real food instead of
...
the liquid kind...Off to Green Banks Brizillian Steak House... more
Margaritas... and more Red meat.
We were back by 10 something to get up at 4:30 to do our best with what
time
we had.
This is just Day one down there....
Day two Starts at 4:15 with Shawn and I planning the day in the dark...
Not
a LOT of sleep ,just enough...
More later...
MADMAN.
My Redhead is trying to keep me dry on Newyear's Eve.... I really do
need to
clense the body... But I am still just a bit to....
Oh you get the idea.
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At 04:07 PM 1/1/2006, you wrote:
Jeff Shanab wrote:
How about if the brush rigging was adjustable enough, rotating the brush
rigging 90 degrees?
weight added <10 lbs! Just a lever, perhaps with a cable and a vernier
to dial in advance once in FWD position, and a couple of microswitches
to drop out main contactor if the lever is not in one of the 2 positions.
On the Zombie's Siamese 8, against mild protests over how much work it
would be to do so, I had Jim stuff in twin parallel 4 gauge brush
interconnect leads at each brush end bell, to make sure all 2000 amps got
delivered to all the brushes :-) Because of this, the brush riggings would
be close to impossible to make rotateable (is that a word?). It's pretty
well stuffed at each end bell. It was difficult enough to do this on the
monster sized 13 inch 'Yellow Beast', and was only doable because of how
huge the spaces are inside this thing. Even with the bigger spaces, the
movable brush rigging and its multiple runs of flexible 4 gauge
interconnects was difficult to pull off, thanks to Jim's artisan talents
though, he pulled it off.
It would not work on your twin, if I remember correctly the coms were in
the center between the two motors.
But on a single motor rather then rotating the brush rigging it would
likely be easier to rotate the entire end bell. The armature connections
would need to be located in the end bell. That way the only wires that
need to flex are external to the motor and can be made long enough to do so
without much problem.
__________
Andre' B. Clear Lake, Wi.
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Hey Chris
I've been following your updates, so congats on the Warp13 completion. Your
post seemed a bit melancholy so I thought I'd share my view here. First off,
you got involved in your project and made changes that you felt would make
improvements.
Way to go, Kudos to you, Warfield, NetGain, and Dutchman for applying the
effort to try something new. The shaft alone was probably worth it ; )
Now as to being the first out of the box with the untried, well sometimes
you're just the shmuck who threw a bunch of time and money at something that
didn't work. As a motor guy it's gonna be fun to watch the heavy weights duke
it out. Should put to rest whether bigger is better vs. longer smaller
diameter motors.
As to maybe not being able to run with the big dogs yet, well I bet they are
pumped to have another racer out there to have some fun with, and remember they
are great because they have refind their ability to craft proven racers.
Anyway I just wanted to say I was pumped for you. Thanks for the pics, motor
looks awesome, and best of luck this year. Who knows maybe you'll be eating
with the big dogs before you know it...An even bigger issue is gonna be how you
gonna make all those new NEDRA EVents popping up everywhere,hehehe.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, what can ya do but laugh sometimes... Only a few months after I
decide I'm going to build a compact pickup truck with a thirteen-inch
motor, none other than the owner of the quickest [and most skillfully
built] street-legal electric dragster informs me he's already doing the
same thing. Not only with a lighter, stronger truck, but with a
beautiful 13" Allis Chalmers motor salvaged, tweaked and blueprinted by
the fastest rising star in high-performance EV motor wizardry, Jim
Husted. To answer my nebulous plans of eventually adding variable brush
timing, he tells me he's already done it, and in September I got to see
how well it works, effortlessly varying speed with a shift of a lever
under a constant 24V bench demonstration in the Wayland garage.
And then a few months later I find out that the owner, driver and
builder of the quickest [and most financially successful?] electric rail
dragster in history is also doing the same thing, and has who knows how
many artful tricks up his sleeve. Certainly a far cry from just throwing
a motor into a truck, which is all I can afford for now, and all I have
the experience to attempt.
While the ego-buzzkill here might be a bit of a disappointment, these
developments are just too darned awesome to get me down... I know in
both cases we'll not only see a finished product that looks good and
goes like stink, but they'll be built *right*. I for one can't wait for
pictures. And videos... and timeslips! :o)
But for those who might still be following my big-motor-in-a-truck, I
got a long-awaited phone call on Friday .. after nearly eleven months of
development (and that's only since I got involved). My motor is finally
finished and ready to ship. The folks at Netgain were nice enough to
take some pictures for me, a few of which I've posted in my gallery
here:
http://ohmbre.org/gallery/motor
Latest weblog post on the subject is here:
http://ohmbre.org/blog/2006/01/01/getting-close/
Weblog itelf of course, here:
http://ohmbre.org
The motor has several customizations, including the custom Dutchman
hardened chrome-moly shaft, a super-lightweight plastic fan, and banding
around the armature, commutator, and "knuckles" (where the comm bars are
attached to the windings).
I just hope it runs as well as it looks! :o) I'll get some more
close-up shots when the motor arrives, in about a week or so.
--chris
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On Jan 1, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Neon John wrote:
What's the goal here? No one can go out and buy a Zombie nor even a
kit to build one like it. No one I know of is doing high performance
EV conversions. (maybe an opportunity for you there, John.) When the
guy walks up and says "I want one", what do you tell him? Especially
if he's a "wallet hotrodder" with few technical skills.
I'm sure some of the people who visit the site have the ability to use
their hands - actually modify a vehicle. But some of those people have
never associated EV and racing. Seeing that it can be done could be
just the paradigm shift needed. Granted, a whole bunch of people aren't
going to "go EV" overnight (likely not even one overnight), but someone
may stumble around the site looking for something different.
How did you find out about EVs John? I saw my first one at about 12
years old. It was owned by a coworker of my father, who used it to
commute. I never did completely forget it. Years later, after growing
up, getting married, being a parent and owning a home I got to the
point where I wanted to do something other than building another VW. I
dabbled with a little Detroit iron, but it didn't really fit me.
Because of my childhood memory I searched for electric vehicles on the
web. I got in contact with some of the people I found, including John
"Plasma Boy" Wayland. Now I've built two and own one (sold one.)
Paul "neon" G.
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Hi all,
Sorry to post this here instead of the Tradin' Post, but I'm changing
jobs,
so this needs to go this week.
I have an EV Warrior bicycle in not running condition. Might need
tubes;
definitely needs some cleanup. It has good motors and unknown
batteries.
Has working charger. It also comes with the complete kit from
Industrial
Liquidators: new mirrors, controller, DC/DC, twist throttle, headlight,
LED taillights, horn, switchgear.
Asking $50; the IL kit itself cost me $75, so even if you don't keep
the bicycle, the kit would make a great kit for a small scooter or
motorcycle. Buyer must pick up in Anaheim by this Thursday.
Please email (tjclevenger -at- gmail -dot- com) if interested.
Thanks.
Tim
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Hello to All,
I wanted to clarify my position on this:
Neon John wrote:
They probably log IP addresses. If so and if you're on dialup, just
hang up and dial back in. You'll probably get a different IP address.
That said, does it not bother anyone else that this "stuffing the
ballot box" is cheating?
From Wayland:
It's not cheating, this from the mouth of the guy who started, runs,
and owns the site. In fact, he encourages it. The more hits he
receives, the better it is for his advertisers.
I re-read my response to John and thought I may have been misunderstood
when I said 'It's not cheating' I'd like to restate this. I was
referring to John's 'stuffing the ballot box' as in getting everyone
here on the list to vote often and to get others to do the same. I 'did
not' mean for my response to appear as if I was endorsing using tricks
to fool the site's counter.
I stand by the above, and think it's great that everyone gets up each
day and votes. Getting others to do the same is great. Trying to fool
the site's counter by tricking IP addresses, etc., is not what I
meant...please don't do this. We need to be up front and play fair. It's
fair to vote often and fair to call others and spread the word....that's
the part I was talking about when I said it was 'encouraged' by the site
owner. It's not fair to fool or try to fool computers and vote over and
over on the same day.
Thanks to Neon John for once again, giving an alternate perspective to
this as well. I see that the word 'Electric' has not yet been assigned
to the now #12 Datsun 1200 listed on the opening page (yeah!). I'll wait
through this morning to see if Brooks gets it changed, then if not, send
him a polite reminder email.
Thanks again for all the support, and don't forget to vote for Matt's
240SX, too. If we got WZ up to 400 votes in just 3 days, it looks like
it (or Matt's car) could make it to the number 1 spot before the end of
this month, unless that is, the other contenders wake up and get their
votes ramped back up :-)
See Ya....John Wayland
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How did you fit in the Warp 13? In my 1977 El Camino, the maximum diameter I
can get in was a 11 inch GE. I have only 1/8 inch clearance to the
transmission tunnel.
If I used the 13 incher, my transmission would have to be raised 1 inch higher
which would mean that I would have to cut out the transmission tunnel, modified
the shifting console, and the drive line angle would not be correct.
To drop it, it would required to drop the engine and transmission cross member
units.
It will work on my next car, which I'm going to build from scratch.
Roland
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From: Jim Husted<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: The Big Guy
Hey Chris
I've been following your updates, so congats on the Warp13 completion.
Your post seemed a bit melancholy so I thought I'd share my view here. First
off, you got involved in your project and made changes that you felt would make
improvements.
Way to go, Kudos to you, Warfield, NetGain, and Dutchman for applying the
effort to try something new. The shaft alone was probably worth it ; )
Now as to being the first out of the box with the untried, well sometimes
you're just the shmuck who threw a bunch of time and money at something that
didn't work. As a motor guy it's gonna be fun to watch the heavy weights duke
it out. Should put to rest whether bigger is better vs. longer smaller
diameter motors.
As to maybe not being able to run with the big dogs yet, well I bet they
are pumped to have another racer out there to have some fun with, and remember
they are great because they have refind their ability to craft proven racers.
Anyway I just wanted to say I was pumped for you. Thanks for the pics,
motor looks awesome, and best of luck this year. Who knows maybe you'll be
eating with the big dogs before you know it...An even bigger issue is gonna be
how you gonna make all those new NEDRA EVents popping up everywhere,hehehe.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Well, what can ya do but laugh sometimes... Only a few months after I
decide I'm going to build a compact pickup truck with a thirteen-inch
motor, none other than the owner of the quickest [and most skillfully
built] street-legal electric dragster informs me he's already doing the
same thing. Not only with a lighter, stronger truck, but with a
beautiful 13" Allis Chalmers motor salvaged, tweaked and blueprinted by
the fastest rising star in high-performance EV motor wizardry, Jim
Husted. To answer my nebulous plans of eventually adding variable brush
timing, he tells me he's already done it, and in September I got to see
how well it works, effortlessly varying speed with a shift of a lever
under a constant 24V bench demonstration in the Wayland garage.
And then a few months later I find out that the owner, driver and
builder of the quickest [and most financially successful?] electric rail
dragster in history is also doing the same thing, and has who knows how
many artful tricks up his sleeve. Certainly a far cry from just throwing
a motor into a truck, which is all I can afford for now, and all I have
the experience to attempt.
While the ego-buzzkill here might be a bit of a disappointment, these
developments are just too darned awesome to get me down... I know in
both cases we'll not only see a finished product that looks good and
goes like stink, but they'll be built *right*. I for one can't wait for
pictures. And videos... and timeslips! :o)
But for those who might still be following my big-motor-in-a-truck, I
got a long-awaited phone call on Friday .. after nearly eleven months of
development (and that's only since I got involved). My motor is finally
finished and ready to ship. The folks at Netgain were nice enough to
take some pictures for me, a few of which I've posted in my gallery
here:
http://ohmbre.org/gallery/motor<http://ohmbre.org/gallery/motor>
Latest weblog post on the subject is here:
http://ohmbre.org/blog/2006/01/01/getting-close/<http://ohmbre.org/blog/2006/01/01/getting-close/>
Weblog itelf of course, here:
http://ohmbre.org<http://ohmbre.org/>
The motor has several customizations, including the custom Dutchman
hardened chrome-moly shaft, a super-lightweight plastic fan, and banding
around the armature, commutator, and "knuckles" (where the comm bars are
attached to the windings).
I just hope it runs as well as it looks! :o) I'll get some more
close-up shots when the motor arrives, in about a week or so.
--chris
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