EV Digest 6142
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by Mike Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: SOFC CHP
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: SOFC CHP
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: large NIMH available?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: large NIMH available?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: SOFC CHP
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: large NIMH available?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Rechargable alkalines?
by "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "chestnutforge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) another solectria on ebay
by "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: [BULK] Re: Flooded vs. Dry cell nicads
by "Lawrence Lile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Circuit board protection
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Circuit board protection
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "Will Beckett \(becketts\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: SOFC CHP
by Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: US 8V-GC or Trojan T-875
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: Circuit board protection
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: Solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Circuit board protection
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
by "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) VW Rabbit Transmission
by Storm Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: VW Rabbit Transmission
by "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Amish- Electrik
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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howdy,
time to start pricing batteries. i was hoping some folks could
compare/contrast these two batteries in regard to:
* overall quality
* price
* life
* company service or reputation
...and so on. is there much of a difference? should i just go for price?
if it helps, this is for a 1999 Beetle (like Don's but DC) with 120v
system powering a ADC 9"...it's basically kit #5 from KTA.
my "intended" usage goes something like this:
* Commute to work
o 30 mile round trip
o 20 miles is Freeway (55 MPH)
* Recreational use
o 10 miles neighborhood drive. (grocery store, go to movies)
o 50% Freeway
* Terrain
o all flat (Columbus, OH)
* Weather
o Want to drive it (almost) all year round.
o Operating temp would be mostly 25 - 90 degrees F.
should be no problem, right?
:)
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Apparently in Europe (mainly in UK) and in Japan
there are large installed bases - several 10,000 units.
There are a few US suppliers, mainly in the Eastern half.
One very affordable 1kW cogen unit production run was sold out
so quickly that they won;t have units until 2007.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of David Roden
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SOFC CHP
On 16 Nov 2006 at 20:12, Martin K wrote:
> It appears to be unavailable but it claims efficiency of 80-90%
I've been reading about this cogeneration fuel cell for years. It's a fine
idea, I guess; but it's never been available, and I'm tempted to wonder if
it ever will be. Not much use for EVers, I'm afraid.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Ah ok here's the Wikipedia entry for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Oxide_Fuel_Cell
OK what are the cons really? I mean the startup times and interconnect
problems are there, but they sound more solvable than the hydrogen fuel
cell's problems (not the least of which is the difficulties in storing
significant masses of hydrogen).
Danny
Cor van de Water wrote:
Apparently in Europe (mainly in UK) and in Japan
there are large installed bases - several 10,000 units.
There are a few US suppliers, mainly in the Eastern half.
One very affordable 1kW cogen unit production run was sold out
so quickly that they won;t have units until 2007.
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of David Roden
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SOFC CHP
On 16 Nov 2006 at 20:12, Martin K wrote:
It appears to be unavailable but it claims efficiency of 80-90%
I've been reading about this cogeneration fuel cell for years. It's a fine
idea, I guess; but it's never been available, and I'm tempted to wonder if
it ever will be. Not much use for EVers, I'm afraid.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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1379 dollar 12v battery. Double that for a 24v system. The battery will
weigh about 35.2 pounds. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: large NIMH available?
> I was just looking for some E-bike batteries and in searching turned up
these:
>
> http://www.eurobatteries.com/sitepages/description1.asp?id=1243&cat=NIMH
>
> 80AH Nimh cells! The data sheet is for the wrong model but it
> mentions the manufacturer (Chinese of course!):
> http://www.peacebay.com/en/product_view.asp - which lists cells up to
> 200AH.
>
> I don't know if these are actually any use or good value, but thought
> I'd pass it on as I haven't seen a mention of actual, buyable EV-size
> NiMH for a while.
>
>
> Actually, perhaps I shouldn't have posted this here, someone will
> probably run off to tell Texaco-Chevron about those bad Chinese patent
> infringers again..
>
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On 16 Nov 2006 at 23:17, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> 1379 dollar 12v battery. Double that for a 24v system.
Seems like a lot for Chinese batteries. For that you can buy 100 AH Saft
nicads from Europe (STM5-100MR), and maybe even have enough left over to pay
for the shipping.
The Safts are heavier, though, at 55lb for a 12 volt setup, vs. the Chinese
NiMH 100AH which is about 42lb. And they need periodic watering. But you
need only one-fifth as many interconnects
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Actually I was talking about the affordable and
proven units with >ahem< combustion engines.
They either use a dedicated developed 1-cylinder
4-stroke (Honda) engine, or a Stirling ECE
(External Combustion Engine).
Both will run at low pressure natural gas as
supplied to almost all homes for the boiler
and heating. You'd basically replace the heating
and get electricity as a bonus, for the high
efficiency you need to stay grid-connected.
With Net Metering you would displace part of
your normal usage by the locally generated
electricity, offsetting approximately $50
per month in electricity, depending on
your heating needs.
Regards,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Danny Miller
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SOFC CHP
Ah ok here's the Wikipedia entry for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Oxide_Fuel_Cell
OK what are the cons really? I mean the startup times and interconnect
problems are there, but they sound more solvable than the hydrogen fuel
cell's problems (not the least of which is the difficulties in storing
significant masses of hydrogen).
Danny
Cor van de Water wrote:
>Apparently in Europe (mainly in UK) and in Japan
>there are large installed bases - several 10,000 units.
>
>There are a few US suppliers, mainly in the Eastern half.
>
>One very affordable 1kW cogen unit production run was sold out
>so quickly that they won;t have units until 2007.
>
>Cor van de Water
>Systems Architect
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>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Behalf Of David Roden
>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:15 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: SOFC CHP
>
>
>On 16 Nov 2006 at 20:12, Martin K wrote:
>
>
>
>> It appears to be unavailable but it claims efficiency of 80-90%
>>
>>
>
>I've been reading about this cogeneration fuel cell for years. It's a fine
>idea, I guess; but it's never been available, and I'm tempted to wonder if
>it ever will be. Not much use for EVers, I'm afraid.
>
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Hi Evan,
I'd welcome good Chinese NiMH batteries.
As long as they do not try to trick innocent buyers
into believing they offer something of quality and
then it's a cheap plastic golf-cart knock-off that
is not allowed on the public roads - which they did
not tell. (talking about the Smart copy here)
You get my drift...
Since there are no good NiMH batteries made, due to
somebody sitting on the patents, there is not much
that they can steal in the area of name, fame and
image of NiMH batteries ;-)
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Evan Tuer
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: large NIMH available?
I was just looking for some E-bike batteries and in searching turned up
these:
http://www.eurobatteries.com/sitepages/description1.asp?id=1243&cat=NIMH
80AH Nimh cells! The data sheet is for the wrong model but it
mentions the manufacturer (Chinese of course!):
http://www.peacebay.com/en/product_view.asp - which lists cells up to
200AH.
I don't know if these are actually any use or good value, but thought
I'd pass it on as I haven't seen a mention of actual, buyable EV-size
NiMH for a while.
Actually, perhaps I shouldn't have posted this here, someone will
probably run off to tell Texaco-Chevron about those bad Chinese patent
infringers again..
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Hi GW,
I have a charger that will recharge standard alkaline AA cells.
(Rezap battery doctor)
http://www.rezap.com.au/rezapbd1.htm
Anyway, alkaline batteries do not recharge particularly well.
The site claims you can recharge them up to 15 times (compared to 1000
for proper rechargeables) but that is only if you don't let them fully
discharge in the first place.
How would this work in an EV context?
It wouldn't.
I don't think anyone wants to replace their battery pack after 15
charges.
Alk batts hold charge longer, provide less current, voltage sags more
under load, can't be quickly recharged when compared to rechargeable
chemistries.
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GWMobile
> Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 3:33 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Rechargable alkalines?
>
>
> There are home consumer bsttery rechargers out there that
> through strong
> oversight of voltages etc can actually recharge non rechargeable
> batteries for electronic devices.
> What is the potential for using such chargers in souped up
> form for an
> electric car using alkaline batteries? What are the tradeoffs?
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I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list direct
me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a replacement from
electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from answering this
one.lol mike y
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Mike,
Here is the Amish Electrical Repair Shop.
Edward S Leid Repair
1861 Rt 230
Dundee, NY 14837
Phone 607 243 8823
He has a sharied Phone, Rt 230 is on the right past the Wind mill shop.
Peace
David
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From: "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
> I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list
direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a replacement
from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from answering
this one.lol mike y
>
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You're in like Flynn.
I've used the 8VGCHC (high capacity, 178, not 165 Ah).
I'm running 144, and can get 40+; a guy in CO was
getting 44 twice a day. with a few less batteries,
you'll do fine.
So far, I'm at 2.5 years, and not showing much
deterioration, although concurrence is that HC model
is more messy, and not quite worth the added expense.
Trojan vs. USB: based on the experience of _some_,
Trojan are more expensive, but might yield a slightly
longer life; not enough to offset the added cost.
USB markets through Interstate. They are cheaper to
get via that route, than going direct from USB. Ie,
shipping will kill 'ya.
I'd say that USB has done an admirable job of
making their batteries quite consistent with each
other. Fair warning, there is a LOT to know about
treating your batteries right, charger settings, et.
al. Your first pack may be a learning experience.
Hope that helps,
--- Mike Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> howdy,
>
> time to start pricing batteries. i was hoping some
> folks could
> compare/contrast these two batteries in regard to:
>
> * overall quality
> * price
> * life
> * company service or reputation
>
> ...and so on. is there much of a difference?
> should i just go for price?
>
> if it helps, this is for a 1999 Beetle (like Don's
> but DC) with 120v
> system powering a ADC 9"...it's basically kit #5
> from KTA.
>
> my "intended" usage goes something like this:
>
> * Commute to work
> o 30 mile round trip
> o 20 miles is Freeway (55 MPH)
> * Recreational use
> o 10 miles neighborhood drive. (grocery
> store, go to movies)
> o 50% Freeway
> * Terrain
> o all flat (Columbus, OH)
> * Weather
> o Want to drive it (almost) all year round.
> o Operating temp would be mostly 25 - 90
> degrees F.
>
> should be no problem, right?
>
> :)
>
>
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i listed another solectria on ebay it is item # 330050735877.hate to have them
sitting around unused in the winter here in northern ny.my wife and i can only
drive 2
mike young
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Chris,
What are you using to charge these nicads? A standard LEad Acid charger isn't
set up correctly for nicads, since they are supposed to be charged until they
rise in temperature or the volts-per-cell starts to change slope.
--Lawrence Lile
________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chris Zach
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [BULK] Re: Flooded vs. Dry cell nicads
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> Also, I seem to remember that NiCads don't parallel well. However, this
> might not be that big a deal with a drag bike, especially if you charge
> the strings separately.
I've been using the BB600's in my Elec-trak for about 2 years now. The
pack (two strings of 30 cells) balances pretty well overall (within an
ah diff on discharge that is made even on charge). About twice a year I
disconnect one string and charge them separately.
If you're planning on parallel BB600 strings I would recommend a
contactor per string (to isolate when power is off to prevent
back-charging) a shunt monitor per string, and a way to turn the strings
on one at a time for annual charge balancing.
Chris
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Hmmmm? Amish Electrical repair shop? I thought they didn't do
electricity, cars, planes, trains, TV's and (Gasp!) Electric cars? Horse an'
Buggies, but in news shots I see ELECTRIC marker lights on Buggies? Not
meaning to "Diss" anybody just seems a bit incongruis. and a Sharied fone?
Direct line to Shari? Sorry, couldn't resist<g>!
Windmill shop? Do they run windmills on those farms?For electric?Like
the old Winpower setups?Of the 30's. Was that the charger ya got frm me?
Seeya
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "chestnutforge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
> Mike,
> Here is the Amish Electrical Repair Shop.
> Edward S Leid Repair
> 1861 Rt 230
> Dundee, NY 14837
> Phone 607 243 8823
> He has a sharied Phone, Rt 230 is on the right past the Wind mill shop.
> Peace
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:45 AM
> Subject: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
>
>
> > I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list
> direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a
replacement
> from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from answering
> this one.lol mike y
> >
>
>
>
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Is it a good idea to somehow protect any circuit boards which are underhood
( or in-dash)?
All of the underhood electronics in my car will be inside a box (made of
polycarbonate sheet) but there still might be some condensation,etc, because
it won't be perfectly sealed. I also live in a place where they use a lot
of road salt and it gets everywhere.
Especially since there will be pack voltages on some boards, it seems like
some kind of protection might be a good idea.
What does eveyone use ( if anything)? I notice that Jameco sells a spray
urethane "conformal coating"., but I coudn't find anything in the Digi-Key
catalog. I assume you would just spray the copper side, and not the
component side (for single-sided boards), right?
I've never coated etched circuit boards with anything (and never had any
problems) , but everything I've done so far has been used indoors (audio
stuff, etc)
Phil
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In the military we coat both sides with conformal coating. Makes it
hard to troubleshoot later but it definitely keeps the water from
corroding anything. Usually our boards are coated with about 1/8th inch
of crap.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Phil Marino
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Circuit board protection
Is it a good idea to somehow protect any circuit boards which are
underhood ( or in-dash)?
All of the underhood electronics in my car will be inside a box (made of
polycarbonate sheet) but there still might be some condensation,etc,
because it won't be perfectly sealed. I also live in a place where they
use a lot of road salt and it gets everywhere.
Especially since there will be pack voltages on some boards, it seems
like some kind of protection might be a good idea.
What does eveyone use ( if anything)? I notice that Jameco sells a
spray
urethane "conformal coating"., but I coudn't find anything in the
Digi-Key
catalog. I assume you would just spray the copper side, and not the
component side (for single-sided boards), right?
I've never coated etched circuit boards with anything (and never had any
problems) , but everything I've done so far has been used indoors (audio
stuff, etc)
Phil
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I usually start with Kevin Doherty at Azure Dynamics (use to be Solectria),
781-932-9009
- Will
Aptos, CA 95003
(831) 688-8669
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of mike young
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list
direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a replacement
from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from answering
this one.lol mike y
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> if it helps, this is for a 1999 Beetle (like Don's
> but DC) with 120v
> system powering a ADC 9"...it's basically kit #5
> from KTA.
>
> my "intended" usage goes something like this:
>
> * Commute to work
> o 30 mile round trip
> o 20 miles is Freeway (55 MPH)
OK my turn to be a downer. My truck used 120V worth of 8VGC batteries.
Max range to 80% DOD was about 35-40 miles. THe truck was extensively
lightened (custom built frame, etc.) and only weighed ~3200 lbs complete
with batteries, so it might be lighter than your finished bug.
The bug probly has better aerodynamics, but not hugely better. Bugs (old
or new) have pretty poor aerodynamics.
The point of all of this is, I think your max range will be similar to
mine (35-40 miles). So your planned commute will run the pack down to
about 70% DoD on a daily basis. I doubt you'll even get 2 years out of
the pack, maybe not even one year before they can't make the 30 miles
anymore.
If so, that means you'll be spending a couple thousand dollars every year
or so on batteries.
Are you prepared for that?
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If you use a fossil fuel, are you allowed to do net-metering? I don't
believe you can. (regardless of IC or fuel cell)
That doesn't mean, of course, that you couldn't just use it to offset
your energy needs.
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Cor van de Water wrote:
> Actually I was talking about the affordable and
> proven units with >ahem< combustion engines.
> They either use a dedicated developed 1-cylinder
> 4-stroke (Honda) engine, or a Stirling ECE
> (External Combustion Engine).
> Both will run at low pressure natural gas as
> supplied to almost all homes for the boiler
> and heating. You'd basically replace the heating
> and get electricity as a bonus, for the high
> efficiency you need to stay grid-connected.
> With Net Metering you would displace part of
> your normal usage by the locally generated
> electricity, offsetting approximately $50
> per month in electricity, depending on
> your heating needs.
>
> Regards,
>
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At 04:45 AM 11/17/2006, you wrote:
I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the
list direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy
a replacement from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are
excluded from answering this one.lol mike y
Sorry, I have to check in here. I can sell you a charger, but not a
Solectria/Azure Dynamics charger. Those are no longer available.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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In a message dated 11/17/2006 6:21:04 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've used the 8VGCHC (high capacity, 178, not 165 Ah).
I'm running 144, and can get 40+; a guy in CO was
getting 44 twice a day. with a few less batteries,
you'll do fine.
So far, I'm at 2.5 years, and not showing much
<<<<SNIP>>>>
USB markets through Interstate. They are cheaper to
get via that route, than going direct from USB. Ie,
shipping will kill 'ya.>>>
This last August, I purchased six Exide 8 volters through a solar outfit:
_http://kingsolar.com/catalog/mfg/exide/gc110-8v.html_
(http://kingsolar.com/catalog/mfg/exide/gc110-8v.html)
They were $79 each plus $8 a piece shipping, dropped off at my business.
Matt Parkhouse
Colorado Springs, CO
BMW m/c-Golf Cart trike - 48 volts, 30mph on the flat, 35 mile range.
Covered 600+ miles so far!
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I found some spray-on silicone conformal coating at Fry's and tried to
use it to protect a PCB which was in a leaky box out in the weather.
I sprayed several layers on there, adding a new layer before the first
one was completely dry- I don't think the spray will adhere to a fully
cured layer.
It didn't work. I don't know how but there was corrosion blooming off
the board in several places and the device was malfunctioning. I
cleaned off the pins but it didn't help.
Danny
Phil Marino wrote:
Is it a good idea to somehow protect any circuit boards which are
underhood ( or in-dash)?
All of the underhood electronics in my car will be inside a box (made
of polycarbonate sheet) but there still might be some
condensation,etc, because it won't be perfectly sealed. I also live
in a place where they use a lot of road salt and it gets everywhere.
Especially since there will be pack voltages on some boards, it seems
like some kind of protection might be a good idea.
What does eveyone use ( if anything)? I notice that Jameco sells a
spray urethane "conformal coating"., but I coudn't find anything in
the Digi-Key catalog. I assume you would just spray the copper side,
and not the component side (for single-sided boards), right?
I've never coated etched circuit boards with anything (and never had
any problems) , but everything I've done so far has been used indoors
(audio stuff, etc)
Phil
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The way it was explained to me is the Amish homes are not to be connected to
the outside world. Electrical and phone lines are a connection so
prohibited. They do use cell phones, but not inside the home.
They also use Briggs and Stratton gas powered water pumps, as well as B&S
engines to power modern farm equipment. It's kind of strange to see a team
of horses pulling a modern hay bailer, while its pto is being powered by a
small gas engine.
I asked about solar and wind powered electricity and was told "not allowed".
Hmmm...I wonder how they charge the cell phones.
We have a new family in the area maybe I'll stop in sometime and see if I
can try to convince them on the benefits of solar/wind DC electric.
They do use modern transportation, busses, taxis and such to get to the
hospitals and malls. But only as passengers.
We may even have some Amish on this list....
But yeah, Amish Electrical just sounds like an oxymoron
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Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Rice
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
Hmmmm? Amish Electrical repair shop? I thought they didn't do
electricity, cars, planes, trains, TV's and (Gasp!) Electric cars? Horse an'
Buggies, but in news shots I see ELECTRIC marker lights on Buggies? Not
meaning to "Diss" anybody just seems a bit incongruis. and a Sharied fone?
Direct line to Shari? Sorry, couldn't resist<g>!
Windmill shop? Do they run windmills on those farms?For electric?Like
the old Winpower setups?Of the 30's. Was that the charger ya got frm me?
Seeya
Bob
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From: "chestnutforge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
> Mike,
> Here is the Amish Electrical Repair Shop.
> Edward S Leid Repair
> 1861 Rt 230
> Dundee, NY 14837
> Phone 607 243 8823
> He has a sharied Phone, Rt 230 is on the right past the Wind mill shop.
> Peace
> David
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> From: "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:45 AM
> Subject: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
>
>
> > I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list
> direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a
replacement
> from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from answering
> this one.lol mike y
> >
>
>
>
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Hello Phil,
I used water tight chassis boxes that are cast aluminum with a o ring. I got
them form Radio Shack . Com which is the commercial division, not the neighbor
hood store. They are about the same size of the plastic boxes. They have a
screw tap inside the box, to hold a certain size board.
I knew some of the boards would not fit exactly to the box tap screw holes, so
I order a aluminum chassis plate that fits these boxes, and than bolt the
boards with standoff to the chassis plate.
I use water tight black plastic cord connectors with a 0-ring that connects to
the boxes light a box connector for conduit. You then can used muitiwire cord
with a jacket to fit the rubber seal in the box connector.
I also have use black plastic flexible tubing which acts like a conduit for the
wires. You could use Aeroquip Aluminum fuel fittings which come in different
colors that fit Teflon, rubber, plastic or stainless steel flexible tubing.
If you use tubing or small flexconduit, then seal the end of the wires that
come through the end of the box connector with black 3-M strip caulking which I
used in all my cable ports.
I paint the aluminum boxes with stainless steel spray appliance paint and then
brush them to make them look like satin brush stainless.
I pay attention to every little detail in placement and assembly, which all
conductor runs, cable runs, conduit runs and all wire are bundle in exact
parallel to each other except the twisted pair wires which run in there own
jacket. Everything is wire tie in exact spacing and is label with clear heat
shrink and double crimp Thomas and Betts nylon wire connectors, because this is
a demo EV that been running now for 21 years since I did the last mod.
Roland
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From: Phil Marino<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: Circuit board protection
Is it a good idea to somehow protect any circuit boards which are underhood
( or in-dash)?
All of the underhood electronics in my car will be inside a box (made of
polycarbonate sheet) but there still might be some condensation,etc, because
it won't be perfectly sealed. I also live in a place where they use a lot
of road salt and it gets everywhere.
Especially since there will be pack voltages on some boards, it seems like
some kind of protection might be a good idea.
What does eveyone use ( if anything)? I notice that Jameco sells a spray
urethane "conformal coating"., but I coudn't find anything in the Digi-Key
catalog. I assume you would just spray the copper side, and not the
component side (for single-sided boards), right?
I've never coated etched circuit boards with anything (and never had any
problems) , but everything I've done so far has been used indoors (audio
stuff, etc)
Phil
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Hi bob and all, I think Dave is talking about a menonite electrical repair
shop not far from him and I where the guy does alot of tractor and eqpt
generators etc. The menonites drive around in black ice vehicles and have
all the creature comforts like us lazy people and the girls wear those
dresses and lacy bonnets. I just showed an ev to a couple of those menonite
guys and they were real interested and said theyd paint it black right away
if they had it.I might stop down and show him the bc 3300 charger and see
what he says. I can ev down there and skate 1/2 way back to my friends house
who has a hot outlet and coffee. Mike y
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
Hmmmm? Amish Electrical repair shop? I thought they didn't do
electricity, cars, planes, trains, TV's and (Gasp!) Electric cars? Horse
an'
Buggies, but in news shots I see ELECTRIC marker lights on Buggies? Not
meaning to "Diss" anybody just seems a bit incongruis. and a Sharied fone?
Direct line to Shari? Sorry, couldn't resist<g>!
Windmill shop? Do they run windmills on those farms?For electric?Like
the old Winpower setups?Of the 30's. Was that the charger ya got frm me?
Seeya
Bob
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From: "chestnutforge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
Mike,
Here is the Amish Electrical Repair Shop.
Edward S Leid Repair
1861 Rt 230
Dundee, NY 14837
Phone 607 243 8823
He has a sharied Phone, Rt 230 is on the right past the Wind mill shop.
Peace
David
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From: "mike young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: solectria bc 3300 charger repair
> I have one solectria bc 3300 charger that needs repaired. can the list
direct me to a good idea on who to repair this or should i buy a
replacement
from electro auto. shari from electro auto you are excluded from
answering
this one.lol mike y
>
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I have an 80's era transmission from a diesel Rabbit. I'm told they fit regular
Rabbit, just lower ratios. Anybody have use for it?
storm
Barkhamsted, CT
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I might have use for it. Four speed or Five? And what do you want for it?
Regards, Mike
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From: "Storm Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List EV" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: VW Rabbit Transmission
I have an 80's era transmission from a diesel Rabbit. I'm told they fit
regular Rabbit, just lower ratios. Anybody have use for it?
storm
Barkhamsted, CT
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The way it was explained to me is the Amish homes are not to be connected to
the outside world. Electrical and phone lines are a connection so
prohibited. They do use cell phones, but not inside the home.>>>
Each group of the Amish has elders who weigh new technology as it arrives at
their "doorstep".
They try to avoid things that are too "worldly"
and things that distract from God and family. Phones are increasingly allowed
but
usually in a shack out in the "back forty". They DO (at least some groups) use
small
solar panels to charge up the 12 volt batteries for the required lights
on the horse-drawn buggies. Otherwise, they take them to a garage that does
the task for them.
Computers are even allowed for businesses only - some groups require non-Amish
be hired to
use them. A group of people I really admire. I've been buying clothing from
one of their
enterprises - Gohn Brothers in Middlebury, Indiana for about 30 years. Not
sure how they would consider EVs.....
Matt Parkhouse
Colorado Springs,CO
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