EV Digest 6653
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: For those who wanted to know about individual chargers
by "David Hrivnak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Li-Ion charging (was: KillaCycle Update)
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
by Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Genesis 16XE's and Oddyssey PC680's
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) EVLN(Biden-Carper-Castle $500m fed li-ion R&D proposal)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EVLN(Durham, NC Northern HS students honored for EV work)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) EVLN(WA bumping 'EV speed limit' from 25 to 35mph)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) EVLN(SJSU Zem Solar-Human-EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) EVLN(EV designer in French movie: Congorama)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) EVLN(PG&E Unveils V2G phEV That Can Power Your House)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(350bhp battery-powered Killacycle smashes 1/4 mi)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EVLN(Mexican Electro Autos Eficaces orders from Azure)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Mitsubishi Innovative Electric Vehicle: Electric i)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Zener reg question
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Hybrid Technologies L1X75 on Popmech.com
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Hybrid comments WAS Re: Hybrid Technologies L1X75 on Popmech.com
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: EV APU (genset) emissions & FE
by "childreypa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Motor recommendations
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
by Lowell Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I would think this would work and that is how I am planning my set up
and the testing with lower power Soneil charges looks very good. I have
a 73 charger I plan to run off the alternator for a trickle charge of
the pack. But the main charge overnight will be from 6 12V charger. I
am buddy paring the batteries as normally have 10 hours to charge and I
will only need 30 amps of charging in a typical day. The Soneil will
give me 70 amps in a 10 hour period if the battery needs it. I am also
wiring so I can add a full 12 chargers and then charge in 1/2 the time.
But at the moment money is more critical than charging time. They are
not that large and so can be added in without much trouble.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Barkley
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:00 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: For those who wanted to know about individual chargers
Hello all; This topic makes me ask and state. I want to mount a
standard 5500watt generator on a two wheel trailer made just large
enough to hold the generator. When I want a little boosted range, or
have the need to recharge without an option of the GRID being available,
I'd pull this contraption behind the car, and have it cabled to the
battery charger(s) in the car. I'd like to run it, during travel even.
Currently I have a charger that will charge the entire pack at once,
but am intriqued with the idea of having an individual charger on each
battery instead. Could I by using blocking diodes on the DC charger
leads, just connect a charger to each battery as needed and do this?
Would several chargers, capable of 10amps per battery charging at the
same time, be better than 1 charger charging the entire pack at 10amps?
Thanks;
Mike
Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am one of the people who thought this was a good idea. So, I bought
10 isolation transformers from Surplus Center (they are now out of them)
and a few chargers. The idea works and works well, but several issues
are:
1. You still needs good individual charging modules. The ones I got off
e-bay (Walmart Smart Charger) aren't sufficient. The fans tend to go
bad, so plan on replacing them (the fan's that is).
2. It's heavy I wouldn't use for more than a 120 V system.
3. It's bulky
4. It's a lot of wiring.
5. There are still a lot of potential failure points.
6. My "cheap" chargers aren't really that consistent charge to charge.
But, overall, it's a lot less expensive that a single "good charger" and
a set of real regulators.
My recharge while sitting in the parking lot through a spare set of 12 V
marine batts and 700 A inverter and my BC-20 regulated at no more than 5
A seems to provide more benefit for me. Basically, the concept it just
to keep the pack at a higher state of charge. It's equivilent to
recharging every few miles. By the way, it also appears to work just
fine, even if you leave it on while driving.
Steve
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At 07:04 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
> You can't overcharge Li-Ion cells without doing some degree of
> damage, so you must have some sort of electronic balancing to make up
> for differences in state of charge due to variation in self-discharge
> and variations in charge efficiency.
With a single 12-series string of A123's, would a simple regulator
across each cell be sufficient?
I'm going to replace the pack on my wife's e-bike with a set of A123
cells soon, so the current discussion on Li-ion charging has been very useful.
Regulators "could" work, if you have some way of keeping the
charger from over-running them. If the regulators are capable of
by-passing the maximum charger current, that would work.
Alternatively, if the regulators can each tell the charger to cut
back, that would also work.
Bill Dube'
Cheers,
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We were hoping build a mount for the HDTV camera for this last event,
but we ran out of time. Maybe some time in the future. It's "on the list." :-)
Bill Dube'
At 09:58 AM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
Bill - how about mounting one of those new-fangled small cameras on
the gas tank, er, somewhere up front on the bike? Or don't you have
enough spare power, lol?
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From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 12:47:42 PM
Subject: Future Killacycle VIDEOS - Please ??
Almost all the EV Drag Videos are from one perspective and one only.
THE TAKE OFF... Its GREAT but....
Its wonderful, but will some one, Please, get a small team, say THREE
folks ...Three Cameras... One at take off, one Mid Track, and ONE near
the FINISH, showing the Car/Motorcycle/whatever AT SPEED !!! Then just
Stitch the three pieces into a KILLER 10 second Video...
Almost all the videos to date, just show this little DOT of a vehicle
disappearing into the distance... And of course that is not the whole
STORY is it. I would like to see the bike going by at 150 + I think
that could be JUST as dramatic as the tremendous LAUNCH.
What do you folks THINK...??
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So whats a good price for these in bulk?
How is $95 each? It seems kinda steep to me.
Hey John, does your sponsor want to sponsor a "Made in America"
car for their "Made in America" batteries?
:-O
Is it your understanding that the PC680 battery is the same as the
16XE with just a different sticker? I'm hoping the Oddyssey's got
the same inter cell tie improvement as the 16XE's.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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Research in new battery would help U.S. drivers and automobile
industry
OUR VIEW
There are about 230 million cars in the United States. Of those,
about 700,000 run on some form of electric motor.
No doubt at some future date, the number of electric cars will
grow. Proposed legislation from Delaware's Congressional
delegation, Senators, Joe Biden and Tom Carper and Rep. Mike
Castle, could pull that future date a little closer.
Electric-powered automobiles will save energy, help make the air
cleaner and make us less dependent on unreliable oil sources.
These cars aren't magical. They still will pollute and they still
will use Middle Eastern oil. But their power will come from
electricity plants, which can be cleaner and more efficient than
millions of gasoline-using automobile engines.
These cars may be promising, but they're also not available. They
aren't ready for the mass market yet. The prototypes are far too
expensive. But their day will come. The hybrids currently on the
market show how much interest there is in them.
One good possible future for the electric car would be the
development of the lithium ion battery. These batteries
presumably could hold charges longer and weigh considerably less
than the current batteries.
The technology and the economics aren't there yet. Current
versions would add thousands of dollars to every car.
That's where the Biden-Carper-Castle proposal would come in. They
are asking the federal government to allot $100 million a year
for five years for research and development of the lithium ion
battery.
This makes good sense. Other countries are moving in this
direction. The knowledge gained from a public-private
investigative partnership would pay off for our own auto industry
and the millions of American drivers looking for a more
environmentally friendly car.
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http://www.times-news.com/local/local_story_091115624.html
Northern students honored for electric car work
Sarah Moses Cumberland Times-News
A lesson in alternate power sources for vehicles led to four
awards for students from Northern High School.
Were extremely proud of their accomplishment, Principal Gary
Reichenbecher said. Its a unique project.
The students challenge was to turn a gas-powered vehicle into an
electric car, then find venues at which to test the converted
vehicle.
The most recent competition was the EV Challenge in Raleigh,
N.C., where students competed in multiple activities, including
an oral presentation, a range event, a vehicle inspection/design
competition and an autocross.
The Northern High team returned home with four awards Rookie of
the Year, second place in the range event, third place in vehicle
design and third place in autocross.
Electronics and automotive technology students were involved as
well as machine tool students, who constructed the battery box,
and business students, who helped with paperwork, preparing the
oral presentation and sold taffy to pay for incidental expenses.
Mark Kirchner, electronics instructor at the school, said that
the process was not without some setbacks, including having an
axle break at the competition, something he explained is fairly
common with cars that have been converted this way.
In 2003, the school received a 1987 Saab 9000, with students
working to convert the car, removing the gas engine and all gas
components. Work was also done to the exterior, not only to
remove rust areas, but eventually to give the vehicle a blue and
gold paint scheme, with recognition to each business and
individual who helped to get the vehicle running through their
donations.
The hardest part was getting the old engine out and putting the
new in, Justin Lowdermilk, a senior and mechanic on the car,
said. He added that there had been a lot of body work.
The donations didnt stop with the car, Kirchner said, saying
that local businesses donated money, parts and technology to help
the students complete their vehicle.
Along with Lowdermilk, seniors Corey Diehl, Brandon Friend,
Steven Frye, Chris Miller, Travis Rounds, Andrew I. Sisler and
Daniel Thomas and junior Katie Kelly went on the trip to North
Carolina for the competition.
Now, with the experience of the competition and seeing their
cars performance in endurance and motocross events, the students
plan to make repairs to the cars axle and begin making
modifications to improve the design.
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Lawmakers consider revving up speed limit for electric cars
By Todd Johnson Story Published: Apr 1, 2007 at 12:32 PM PDT
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With gas prices on the rise, you might be ready to consider an
electric car. It sounds great, until you learn that Washington
state's maximum speed limit for electric cars is only 25 mph.
But some drivers are now pushing to speed up that limit. Darren
Johnson is one of them.
Every afternoon, Johnson unplugs an electric car and takes to
Seattle's streets.
He uses the car to deliver espresso beans for Espresso Vivace.,
but he doesn't go too fast since state law keeps him driving
under 25 mph.
David Shomer of Espresso Vivace says that limitation not only
slows Johnson down, but also other drivers as well.
"Being held at 25 is just simply not that courteous to the other
drivers," he said. "You're forcing them to slow down and I think
people have enough frustration. They're very kind to us, they're
gracious, but you can tell they'd like us to pick it up."
Dealers like Greg Rock of Green Car Company say it's time to let
the electric cars go faster, and now the Legislature seems to
agree.
A bill to raise speed limits to 35 mph has already passed the
state House.
"It gets so many more functional electric vehicles on the road
here in Washington," Rock said. "And these are cars that are
saving huge amounts of carbon dioxide from being emitted into the
atmosphere, saving consumers dollars every time they drive a
mile."
The small cars are designed to run short errands. They can go 20
to 30 miles before the batteries need to be recharged. And the
electricity to power them is much cheaper and cleaner than
gasoline.
A traditional gasoline-powered vehicle will cost you roughly 14
cents per mile to operate. An electric car, on the other hand,
costs only 3 cents per mile.
There are only a few electric cars on the road now, but if
lawmakers give the speed limit a little boost we may see a whole
lot more of them in the near future.
More Information:
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SJSU Students Working On Exhaust-Free Concept Car
Len Ramirez Reporting Apr 2, 2007 5:21 pm US/Pacific
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San Jose State University engineering students work on the Zem --
a concept for a true zero-emissions vehicle that may be the first
in the world to run on human, electric and solar power.]
(CBS 5) SAN JOSE Students at San Jose State University are
developing a car that could someday run exhaust-free on electric,
solar, and human power.
The Zem -- a concept for a true zero-emissions vehicle -- just
may be the first in the world to bring human, electric and solar
power together in a snappy design that can theoretically run
forever.
"The goal is to have a low-consumption electric vehicle that can
be charged with solar panels, or by pedaling it. So if the kids
are acting up, you can tell them to go charge up the car," said
San Jose State engineering student Scott Cassell.
The students' three-wheeled prototype vehicle can go 35 miles an
hour on fully charged batteries, or as fast as you can pedal.
The real innovation is the Zem's transmission, which smoothly
integrates pedal, battery, and solar power. It just won a $15,000
first prize at a national college business plan competition at
Purdue University.
"They've taken a look at all the possibilities, married them
together, and they've come up with something that quite frankly
just works," said Richard Okumoto, a mentor to the students.
The next step is to build a four-wheeled utility vehicle with two
pedaling seats and solar energy cells built right into the
bodywork.
Students see the car as a low-cost solution to problems of
energy, pollution, and utility -- especially for countries like
China.
"They want to use vehicles. They want the utility so they can
increase their consumer-based market, but they can't do that on
scooters and bicycles. So they have to either do that on cars or
something else, and this is the something else," Cassell said.
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[...]
Congorama [site], by the French-Canadian director Philippe
Falardeau [...] Louis, who turns out to be the son of [...] the
designer of an electric car. [...] Louis [...] drives into an
accident, caused when the car swerves to miss hitting an emu
that escapes from a game farm in the middle of nowhere. Michel
ultimately makes it back to Brussels with plans for the electric
car that are hidden beneath one of the seats. The car is his
first success, even though it isn't "his." Somehow Louis, who
survives, manages to return to Europe to confront him.
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Apr 9, 2007 12:10 pm US/Pacific
PG&E Unveils Hybrid Car That Can Power Your House
(BCN) SUNNYVALE Pacific Gas & Electric Co. today unveiled a
prototype new hybrid car that could be used to power its owner's
home during blackouts or times of high power cost.
The car uses Vehicle-to-Grid, known as V2G, technology. The
technology turns the vehicle, a modified Toyota Prius, into an
electricity storage system that can be plugged in to a standard
wall outlet, both to charge its batteries and with the flip of a
switch to add its own stored power to the grid.
"PG&E is committed to meeting the challenges associated with
climate change by developing and bringing innovative
alternative-fuel technologies to our customers," PG&E Vice
President Bob Howard said. "V2G represents the best of these
technologies because it intersects the transportation and utility
sectors -- the nation's two largest contributors of greenhouse
gases -- to increase energy reliability and protect the
environment."
A lithium ion battery was added to the Prius increasing its gas
mileage substantially and, during a demonstration in Sunnyvale
this morning before the Silicon Valley leadership Group, allowing
it to run several lights and appliances.
"PG&E's V2G demonstration marks an important milestone for
plug-in vehicle technology," CalCars.org founder Felix Kramer
said. "Using a grid-connected car's battery as distributed energy
storage for homes or businesses expands the economic and
environmental benefits of plug-in vehicles."
PG&E officials did not release a schedule of when the V2G
technology would be available to the general public.
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350 bhp battery-powered Killacycle smashes 1/4 mile records for
electric vehicles from Motorcycles
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April 9, 2007 Electric engines have a very unsexy image;
environmentally friendly hybrids and plug-in vehicles couldn't be
further from the minds of most high performance motorsport fans.
The battery-powered Killacycle, however, is raising eyebrows at
the dragstrip after smashing the electric vehicle quarter-mile
speed record with a very respectable 8.168 seconds @ 155.78mph
earlier this week. Video here.
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDHJNG2PngQ ]
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Thursday April 5, 2007 11:04 AM PDT - By: Michael Kwan
Long gone are the days that an electric vehicle was necessarily
slow and ugly-looking. While I continue to lust after the Tesla
Roadster, a different company is taking the electric bike
approach. A123Systems created the KillaCycle, an all-electric
motorcycle that has broken the world record for the fastest
quarter mile set by a vehicle powered by lithium-ion batteries.
It took the killer KillaCycle 8.16 seconds to complete the
quarter-mile drag with a trap speed for 156mph.
The KillaCycle gets its thrust from 990 A123Systems Nanophosphate
cells, delivering over 350 horsepower to the motorcycle
drivetrain. Whereas the Tesla Roadster takes about four seconds
to do a zero to 60mph run, the KillaCycle can do it "in under 1.5
seconds." I guess it helps that this bike weighs in at a mere 165
pounds. That's probably lighter than most (all?) of the guys in
the photo provided.
Designer Bill Dube (third from the right) is thrilled that they
"improved our time by over 0.6 seconds, a huge performance
increase" in just three months of work. "With these batteries, we
know that we will be able to continue to improve our performance
and establish new records."
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Azure Dynamics Signs Supply Agreement With Electro Autos of
Mexico for 1,000 Electric Vehicle Systems
TORONTO, April 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Azure Dynamics Corporation a
leading developer of hybrid electric and electric powertrains for
commercial vehicles, today announced it has signed a supply
agreement with Electro Autos Eficaces of Mexico ("EAE").
The initial order is for 1,000 drive systems for integration into
the Nissan Tsuru platform, which is commonly used in the
municipal fleet of Mexico City. The Tsurus are being converted
from gasoline-powered vehicles to electric vehicles as part of
Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard's initiative to improve air
quality and general health and quality of life in the city. Mayor
Ebrard will drive the first converted vehicle to the
International Electric Vehicle Forum on May 8, 2007 in Mexico
City. The balance of the 1,000 vehicles will be converted over
the following 18 months. Azure's scope of supply for the 1,000
drive systems includes the motor, controller, gearbox and DC-DC
converters and is valued at more than CDN$7.0 million.
[...]
EAE's Luis Perez Quintana stated, "Mexico City currently operates
over 25,000 Nissan Tsurus to conduct government business
throughout the city. Converting the first 1,000 Tsurus of the
existing fleet into electric vehicles, shows the City's
commitment to providing an immediate response to the Climate
Change challenge. Mexico City is the third largest city in the
world with a population of approximately 25 million people. The
newly elected mayor, Marcelo Ebrard, has set a Sustainable City
criteria for his tenure, making the environment and clean
transportation a major part of his governing platform."
The agreement also includes the potential for Azure to supply a
broad range of electric and hybrid electric drive systems and
components for various other vehicle applications in Mexico.
About Electro Autos Eficaces S.A. de C.V.
Electro Autos Eficaces is a Mexican corporation whose goal is the
integration of the world's best technologies into zero emission
transportation solutions for Mexico, with a clear focus on
creating job opportunities with the application of such
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Electric i gets ready to plug in 05th April 2007
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An electric version of the new Mitsubishi i will be charging
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Electric i will use technology being tested in MiEV research
vehicle
The firm is currently testing an i with electric technology
codenamed MiEV (Mitsubishi Innovative Electric Vehicle). It uses
a lithium ion battery pack and rear-mounted high-torque
powerplant capable of delivering an 80mph maximum speed. The
electric i should be able to travel up to 100 miles on a single
charge from a standard home socket.
This model is important to the future of Mitsubishi, as it will
spearhead a new range of alternative-power vehicles, explained a
spokeswoman. The main reason we decided to introduce the
petrol i to the UK market was to get people used to its unique
shape, so that it will be familiar by the time the electric model
is ready for showrooms. That car will lead our charge into
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I installed Lee's zener diode regs on my small m-cycle conversion (36
VDC) and am noticing that the third (most +'ve) light isn't as bright
as the other two (I'm using three 12 volt agm batteries). The most -'ve
battery reads .1 volt higher than the
middle battery, and the middle battery reads .1 VDC higher than the
last (most +'ve) battery. It appears that there's not enough current
being bypassed. Is this a correct assumption? I'm thinking that another bulb
in parallel with the PR2 might help. While I'm thinking
about it, does the last battery in series really need the bypass scheme?
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Hybrid Technologies L1X75 on Popmech.com
>
>
>
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/08/new-york-auto-show-roadster-gets-600hp-from-lithium/
> Hi Tim an' EVerybody;
Went there. What a cute little car!Somebody that could come close to
the Zombie in 0-60? Doesn't look like any hybrid car to me! Who ARE these
guyz, anyhow? A new, definately new, kid on the block?Sheesh! They shoulda
fenced off a few blocks off around the Javets Center, to REALLY show it off.
JS is sorta " Nowhere" part of NYC, off the beaten track, they coulda. In
NYC traffic, it SUCKS! I coulda kept up with my Rabbbit!That guy was lucky
the BIG ass bus, in the vid, didn't ooze out in front of him sans
signalling! After all, signalling is considered unsporting in NY!As are
traffic signs; merely suggestions!
Now a few of those BADD-eries would just beg to go in the Freedom EV and
Sunrise. Governed down to a wimpy 80-90MPH for the Rest-of-Us?
The World doesn't NEED any more or ANY 150 plus MPH street cars! Although
I would LOVE to run something like that on the Auto Bahn, blowing EVERYTHING
else away! Maybe not in top speed, but GETTING there is half the fun, as the
Cunard folks used to say<g>!
Now IF I had one of them I could come out to Woodburn at PIR, on, maybe
5-6 "Charges"Overnite, on the way.Run against the Zombie, "run what ya
brung"night. Get Rudman to build me the Ultimate zillion amp charger, plugs
into any comvenient substation.
Dream mode off. Sigh.
See someofya Sat.
Bob
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If I may weigh in on this subject... I have long wanted to post
something on this. I absolutely agree that a Home depot generator is
just not smart. However, what if you were to run a generator using a
driver designed with efficiency and greenness in mind. Say a 1.0L Geo
metro engine. Running at constant rpm, powering an efficient generator,
I hypothesize that it would be possible to get just as good gpm as the
metro and still have the all electric capability provided the ICE was
mounted in the vehicle. Anyway, this is my project so Ill let you know
over the summer.
Not to drag this out of it's a dead post.
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Murray
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: EV APU (genset) emissions & FE
I think you are much better off to use the motor to power the wheels,
and eliminate the complexity, losses, and weight of the generator.
For my taurus wagon hybrid project, after considering different motors,
bought a metro 1.0 liter 3-cyl to power the front wheels. I considered
using a 13B rotary for its size and weight but the geo motor is actually
smaller and weighs less (130lbs?) and already has a FWD 5-speed trans.
A diesel would get a little better mpg, but these geo motors are
relatively easy to find, that is a big advantage. No unobtanium here.
Jack
John Russell wrote:
> My daily range is about 60 miles with LOTS of hills and stops. This
> number will go up dramatically in the near future. I also need to car
> to hold 4 people comfortably with a range of around 300-400 miles. No
> ordinary electric car will fit that bill.
>
> The car I'm considering the conversion on is an '85 Merkur XR4Ti(Ford
> Sierra in EU) It is a little heavy for such conversion, but it will
fit
> 4 comfortably. It has an independent rear suspension that should make
> mounting the electric motor in the back fairly easy. I could easily
fit
> a small diesel, like a Perkins 3 cylinder(130LBS dry) where the
> original 4 cylinder gas engine(435LBS dry)was and fit generator in
the
> transmission tunnel.
>
> The rest of the system is pretty much up in the air, thats why I'm
> here, to learn more about it.
>
> I have no illusions of a diesel-over-electric being as efficient as a
> pure electric car. But I do believe it can be possible to make a car
> that is much more efficient than what is currently on the market
while
> also being practical for 4 people to take on a long trip. But I could
> be wrong :)
>
> I also love to tinker.
>
> John Boy
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:52 AM, Peter VanDerWal wrote:
>
>> It's workable, but is it practical?
>> Some questions:
>> What is your expected daily range?
>> Are you planning on constantly running the generator?
>> Will it also have batteries and just use the generator to extend
>> the range?
>> If you are constantly running the engine, have you considered
>> connecting
>> it directly to the wheels and thus bypass the losses associated with
>> converting the mechanical power to electricity and then back to
>> mechanical power?
>>
>>> I've been toying with the idea of running one based on a small
>>> constant speed diesel running on B100.
>>>
>>> I am in the process of researching small 1 or 2 cylinder compact
>>> diesels that can be modified to run like Bruce Crower's experimental
>>> engine. The idea would to then put that engine under the hood of a
>>> car running a generator to power an electric motor.
>>>
>>> Bruce's motor: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/
>>> 20060227/FREE/302270007/1023/THISWEEKSISSUE
>>>
>>> Am I looney for thinking this is a workable option?
>>>
>>> John Boy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2007, at 10:56 AM, John Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good for you David! And thanks for the research.
>>>>
>>>> Here's where your assumptions don't apply ( to my project):
>>>>
>>>> I am assuming a pluggable hybrid.
>>>> I am not burning gasoline in an unmodified genset.
>>>> I am not thinking of running the genset at full load 100% of the
time.
>>>> I am aimed at a car lighter and slower than a OEM gas vehicle. It
>>>> might even have better aero one day.
>>>> You didn't account for the reduced power-plant emissions of reduced
>>>> electrical use ( granted, perhaps negligible in non-coal or nuclear
>>>> states)
>>>> Gensets might be lighter than lead batteries, and no more difficult
>>>> to package. Certain the genset is not heavier anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Further, you yourself suggested using a clean auto engine to make a
>>>> home-built genset, and re-tuning it to run at a constant low speed.
>>>> I might opt for a smaller MC engine with catalytic converter, since
>>>> we don't have micro-cars in our Super-sized country.
>>>>
>>>> So I need to do some calcs based on the following assumptions:
>>>>
>>>> 1) genset starts running after batts drop to some adjustable level,
>>>> say 40% of usable charge to start with.
>>>> 2) genset runs at a high enough KW to limp home, but not maintain
>>>> 30 mph. 5kw is what I was thinking...
>>>>
>>>> Its a complicated prediction, so with my daily loop of 25 miles and
>>>> no re-charging en route, I'll start by guesstimating the genset
>>>> runs 50% of the time, subject to real-world experience. If we could
>>>> scrounge up a free circuit at work, I might even be able to do
>>>> without the genset altogether most days. But I think we are maxed.
>>>> So at genset 50% of the time the car returns home needing a full
>>>> recharge.
>>>>
>>>> All guesses to be sure. caveat emptor!
>>>>
>>>> 3) propane is the likely first power source instead of gasoline. My
>>>> research shows that it gives no advantage in greenhouse gases, but
>>>> some large but as yet unknown-to-me improvement in smog. I could
>>>> always get a small engine catalytic converter for it, assuming the
>>>> chemistry is OK with propane. Alas, H2 storage is probably a
>>>> showstopper for now. Supply and storage are just too darn
>>>> expensive, even for the little motor. Interestingly, a propane
>>>> genset will probably convert to H2 or a number of other fuel gases
>>>> with ease, but thats OT too.
>>>>
>>>> Others might want to look at bio-fuels in diesel gensets. That just
>>>> doesn't fit my profile right now for a bunch of OT reasons.
>>>>
>>>> more later
>>>>
>>>> John Fisher
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Roden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been taken to task for a somewhat dismissive response to a
>>>>> recent question or comment about genset APUs. So I thought that I
>>>>> would amend that response and provide some possibly useful
>>>>> information. Rather than repeating what's available in the
>>>>> archives already, however, I thought it might be worth adding some
>>>>> data to the discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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childreypa wrote:
Build you own EV book (Brant) gives a pretty good description of
building a controller using a LM3524 IC. Also one using an MC33033.
I don't know if these IC's are even available.
Yes, they certainly are. The LM3524 in particular is still used by the
millions.
The circuit looks very simple and it says it can handle about 200 amps.
These diagrams are actually oversimplified quite a bit. Lots of
important details are left out. But you can figure them out by looking
at the data sheets and application notes for the parts, and by getting
some dead controller to look at for construction techniques.
contactor circuits for big motors... "four stage reduced voltage
starting circuit" for a shunt motor. Uses 4 timed contactors to
bypass resistors, and a rheostat to vary field current for speed
control.
This is fine and will work, but is designed for applications where they
didn't care about how much power was wasted. Battery EV contactor
controllers usually switch the batteries in various series/parallel
arrangements so all batteries see the same current in every step. Using
a rheostat to control the field of a shunt motor isn't too bad
efficiency wise, because field power is a tiny fraction of armature
power (1-2%).
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I hope there are some educators out there that get into EV Conversions. I have
been involved in EV education since 1996. I am an Automotive instructor, but
we incorporate our conversions into as much of the total school as possible. I
would really like to push educator involvement into the EV Challenge
(EVChallenge.org). The late Ralph Goodwin was instrumental in setting up this
organization several years ago. His daughter has now taken over the reigns.
Students are able to design and build a conversion; however, this is not where
the emphasis lies. My students write letters to elected officials, we get
involved in community activities such as beach clean-ups and many other
numerous events as part of the competition. Yes we do get to work on our
vehicles too. We have traveled from Agawam Mass to Phoenix AZ since 1996. We
were the overall champions at the last Arizona Electrics in 1999 and have since
then won numerous other competitons as late as the 2007 Battery
Beach Burnout. Our Porsche 944 holds 2 Nedra records in HS B and HS C. We
are currently working to lighten the vehicle to re set our HS B. I am
currently working on sponsorship to get us up there too Chip. I have been
invited to Graduation parties from fathers who say thanks, the EV program is
probably the only thing that kept their sons in school. Those things make all
the hard work worthwhile. We were even filmed by the Sundance Channel at
Baattery Beach Burnout to be aired in the future on a new program called: Big
solutions for a Small Planet. I was told this is to be a half hour show with
us and Tesla Motors but haven't received a showing date yet. I could go on and
on but won't bore you. Please have any teachers who have any interest at all
get in touch with me.
Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is great to hear from the students
themselves and the
enthusiasm. Good job Michael!
And I agree with Lee.
Hands-on experience and practical theory, in my opinion is the best
classroom. Sitting in a school classroom learning about theories
scribbled out on a chalkboard doesn't have the same effect as
learning out in the garage and race track.
And there are some PROVEN success stories. Some of the students at
Shenandoah Valley Regional Governor's School graduated from the EV
program there to become involved in the EV program at West Virginia
University. Roy Nutter, who is a professor at WVU can attest to that.
Those kids probably did pretty well in their high school standardized
tests and the SATs to get into college, even though they were out
tinkering in the garage on their electric 240-Z and Porsche.
I do see Bob's take on the issue. Testing is important and has its
place. But I believe it can go too far. "No Child Left Behind" has
put a big emphasis on statewide testing to the detriment of those
bright students who often do poorly in testing situations. They are
often the ones that get left behind. State schools strive to do well
in standardized testing so they can continue to receive federal and
state funding. But that goal often overshadows the individual needs
of the students, particularly those that need educational assistance.
These garage programs won't replace testing and if anything can only
enhance academic knowledge. They can fill the educational void that I
believe state administered testing creates.
We actually need to step it up and get even more schools involved in
EV garage programs.
And I have a question for Bob. Does he have the same concern with
high school sports?
Chip Gribben
On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
> From: "Michael Henry"
> Date: April 8, 2007 11:48:04 PM EDT
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
>
>
> Personally as a High-School student I believe that doing my EV
> conversion is going to teach me so much. Such as electrical
> circuits, Physics, Mathematics. I mean what isn't there to learn
> from an EV conversion. Also it deals with Earth Sciences, and also
> stuff like CWI (current world issues). Also kids will be able to
> learn basic mechanics and all the auto-shop skills that a normal
> Auto class provides. So I think that it should be a high priority
> to get something like this started in public High-Schools, and it
> doesn't have to be a class, it could be something like an after-
> school club/activity.
>
> Also I think that there will be plenty of students willing to do
> something like this. Just talking to my friends about my Datsun
> that My dad and I are converting, it kinda makes them jelous.
>
> Anyway that's my two-bits
>
> ~Michael (Damon's Son)
>
> Btw, 1st post!
>
>
>> From: Lee Hart
>> Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: Getting Highschools started in EV conversions?
>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>> >> When I see "racing" and "competition", I fear the
>> >> education component is about to go by the wayside,
>> >> and a teacher is about to get a note in the file,
>> >> if not fired, for failing to carry out state and
>> >> district-mandated objectives. That's our (teachers')
>> >> job.
>>
>> From: BadFishRacing
>> > Woah Bob. Am I misunderstanding, or are you saying "Racing"
>> > and "Competition" is not educational?
>>
>> 'Fraid so!
>>
>> "All children are born scientists and engineers. Watch them at
>> play; they are experimenting, building, and learning. That's
>> engineering! Then we spend years in school squashing it out of them."
>> -- Geoffrey Orsak, dean of engineering, Southern Methodist University
>>
>> The hardest part of our BEST program is to avoid the testing and
>> "cookie cutter" approach to education mandated by the government
>> and school administration. For the most part, we "fly below their
>> radar". BEST gives kids a direct, personal reason for learning --
>> they want to build things! And, we spend more time teaching them
>> *how* to think, and less on *what* to think.
>>
>> In BEST, there are no tests; if it works, it's good, and the kids
>> can judge that for themselves. Copying or looking up answers is
>> not cheating; it's how you learn and move forward. There are no
>> authorities; only experts.
>>
>> The teachers we work with need to be comfortable operating outside
>> the "official" curriculum. It's getting harder and harder, as
>> administrations keep trying to micro-manage things ever more
>> rigorously in the classroom.
>>
>> --
>> "Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the one who is
>> doing it." -- Chinese proverb
>> --
>> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377
>>
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