EV Digest 6667
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Hooking up zilla to laptop
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Motor to Axle Options
by David Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: wrapping up the regen discussion
by DM3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: GM Kills the Volt .......... Vote
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Free Electravan
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EV's on eBay
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: EV's on eBay
by "Shawn Waggoner, FLEAA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: HOW TO DRIVE AN EV FOR MAXIMUM RANGE. Re: EVLN(Tofu maker Toya
pulses & glides his hybrid to nenpimania)
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Potboxes
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: wrapping up the regen discussion
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Hooking up zilla to laptop
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) CURTIS CONTROLLER SCHEMATIC? Re: Putting a value on Curtis 1221B 72-120
V / 400 A controller core
by robert mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Free Electravan
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: CURTIS CONTROLLER SCHEMATIC?
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Fw: Free Electravan
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Jacob has Tagged you! :)
by Jacob Portukalian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) An Electravan Shame story
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Zener reg question
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: EV APU (genset) emissions & FE
by mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Spreading the word, getting it done.
by "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Spreading the word, getting it done.
by "Shawn Waggoner, FLEAA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: An Electravan Shame story
by David Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Spreading the word, getting it done.
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dennis,
I know a guy in Phoenix that can come over and hook you up.
e-mail me your number off list and I'll pass it on to him to call you.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re:Hooking up zilla to laptop
>
>
> Does anyone in the phoenix area have experence hooking up a zilla to a
> laptop?Can you help me? D.Berube </HTML>
>
>
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You could still use your autotrans but make the torque converter
"solid" by welding etc. In this way you can still use the gears but not
have tc losses. It was done by an AEVA member here in Melbourne Aus but
not to a Saab
A camira I believe.
David
On 14/04/2007, at 11:53 AM, pjc wrote:
Dear EV'ers,
I have just under 1-week before attending my first EV club meeting,
but I simply can't wait to ask some of my questions. In particular, I
have noticed abundant information related to motors, batteries, and
controllers, but I am now seeking information related to methods of
transfering power from the motor to the vehicle.
For example, I plan to convert my 1988 Saab 900 Turbo this summer, but
it is an automatic. I understand that an automatic could be used, but
that efficiencies are lost as compared to a direct drive or a manual
transmission car.
Are there many vendors that manufacture semi-off-the-shelf gearboxes
for the EV folks so that I can dispose of my automatic x-mission?
Best regards,
Pete
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Here is an AC regen unit for sale on ebay: 140107777327
> Subject: wrapping up the regen discussion
> 1) its easier to do regen with AC; but AC motors are very expensive off-the
> shelf, like 3x DC.
> 2) DC shunt type motors can do regen, also reverse, but require a special
> controller for both.
> 3) Curtis does make such a controller, but its only made or only available in
> low-voltage ( i.e.
> golf car market) sizes, typically 48 V max.
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I just voted. I'd love to see it made but I am one of the 0.6% who
wouldn't actually buy one, not a big fan of GM.
I actually made a personal pledge at the start of the year that I
will never buy another gasoline powered vehicle (unless it's going to
be converted to electric). I am looking forward to being able to buy
a commercial BEV though.. one day.
But it does occur to me that it's not much use unless automakers know
about it. It would be neat to have an online pledge set up to this
effect - imagine having a list of half a million people around the
world who refuse to buy gasoline cars.
-Ian
On 15/04/2007, at 1:56 AM, Ralph Merwin wrote:
Alternatively, vote with your wallet. Don't buy GM products. Tell
them
that you won't buy from GM until they offer an electric vehicle.
Go to
the local dealership and ask to test drive an electric vehicle.
When the
sales-critter says they don't offer any electric vehicles, tell
them that
you won't buy GM products until they do.
As long as people buy what the auto manufacturers offer, they have no
incentive to offer anything else...
Ralph
Joseph Lado writes:
It looks like GM, in all its infinite wisdom, has taken the VOLT
Vote down. They did so just as the vote was fast approaching the
half million
mark. On April 7 I took snap shot of the survey and it stood at
just under
450,000 votes tallied of which 446,118 said that GM should build
the VOLT and
another 445,187 voters said to GM that they would buy the vehicle
if it were
made. Big, big numbers to say the least, however, I was hoping
that the vote
would reach the psychological milestone of 500,000. There is just
no denying a
number like half a million votes. If GM ever says there isn’t
enough demand for
alternative fuel vehicles remind them that they can use their
fingers and their
toes to count. Read on for action.
The psychological symbol of going over a half a million I
think was too great for GM to simply let stand. It could virtually
eliminate
their ability to deny that there is sufficient demand for ultra
fuel efficient
vehicles and vehicles that operate on alternative fuels. Their
willingness to
remove the Volt vote speaks volumes about GM’s commitment to
putting into the
market place innovations that have the highest possibility of
saving us from
the wild price swings of being attached to one source of fuel for our
automobiles. Prices for gasoline in my area as of April 13, 2007
were at approximately $3.00 a gallon. We
need to press upon GM and the other automakers that we as
consumers want these
greener products.
So here is what we are going to do. What we are going to do
is to talk directly to GM through their Chevrolet Contact Us page.
We are going
to ask GM to put the Volt vote site back up, of course maintaining
the votes
already cast. To do this go to the Web address below and put
something like
this in the message:
“I want buy a vehicle
like the Volt that uses clean electricity most of the time, but
has the ability
to operate continuously through the use of a generator allowing me
to go long
distances. Please put the Volt Vote site back up so that I can
register my
vote.”
http://www.chevrolet.com/contactus/getinformation/
PS. If any of you were able to capture a screen shot of the
Volt Vote after the 7th and before they took it off the website
please show us what the final numbers were. Thank you. JL
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DC Motor/trans combo $1000.00 about halfway down the EV Parts for sale page
http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/index.php?method=showhtmllist&list=classifiedscategory&rollid=12&fromfromlist=classifiedscategory&fromfrommethod=showhtmllist&clearoff=1
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Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:55 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: Free Electravan
I could not locate the motor/tranny on Evtradingpost.com
Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: Free Electravan
lol So that's what happened to it. LR.....
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Free Electravan
>
> Hmmm... that's interesting.
>
> The Electravan motor/trans combo on the evtradinpost.com just happens to
be in Berkeley also.
>
> Wish I was in Berkeley. Nah, not really. I like it here.
> --
> Stay Charged!
> Hump
> I-5, Blossvale NY
>
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:01:50 -0700, "Lawrence Rhodes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I saw the Electravan. It is rough but no rougher than my Electravan was
> > when I got it. EVen in out dry environment the bottom of both fenders
had
> > rust at the bottoms. However the back battery box is intact with no
rust
> > from acid drip. Mine had several holes. It is mostly there. Needs new
> > windshield. No motor or transmission. The body is straight. Taking
this
> > for free will save mega time in EV construction. It EVen has the
> > highvoltage cables to the rear box intact. This is a durable vehicle.
> > I'd
> > run not walk into this project. It's all setup for electric conversion.
> > It's located in Berkeley. Call number below for details Don't contact
> > me
> > unless you have questions of the physical condition. Lawrence
> > Rhodes.......
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Amber Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:26:06 -0700
> >> From: "Amber Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: ElectraVan Body
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We have an old ElectraVan body (motor has been taken
> >> apart over the
> >> years). It is in pretty rough shape. We would love
> >> to have it
> >> working for our organization, but we don't have the
> >> time or resources
> >> to do so, thus we are looking to get rid of the
> >> body. It may be that
> >> it just has to be sent to the scrap yard, but I
> >> wanted to check and
> >> see if someone out there might be able to make use
> >> of it since it
> >> seems to be a great moment in EV history, and
> >> hopefully just a
> >> beginning.
> >>
> >> We appreciate any advice that you may have.
> >>
> >> Amber Rich
> >> Executive Director
> >> Tinkers Workshop
> >> 510 644 2577
>
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Judging by the pictures and description there's a 144V curtis under
the hood, so most likely an eight or nine inch series DC motor.
On 4/14/07, Jim Sylvester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyone familiar with an eagle what drive system they use. I'm about 50 miles
from orlando.
Jim
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From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: EV's on eBay
>A couple of Eagles on eBay this AM - dead batteriesneed to be replaced -
> good starters for someone in the Orlando, FL area. Item #180106819742
> is one of them.
>
> Joe
>
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Hi Jim,
Eagle was a car manufacturer in the Diamond Star line and part of the
Chrysler family. They had the Eagle Talon, which was like the Mitsubishi
Eclipse. These vans are Eagle Summit minivans. From what I can tell, these 2
cars were conversions that the Orlando Utilities probably did themselves or
had done back in the 90's.
I have some details on both of these in older SunDay Challenge Programs I
have from then. The Red 'sport' van was entered in the 6th Annual SunDay
Challenge in 1997. The white "Solar" van is also in a program from the
SunDay Challenge from '99 when it was entered. Both cars have the same
specs: Unknown size Advanced DC (probably a 9"), Curtis 120VDC controller,
10 - 12V Deka Gel batteries, 14" wheels, range of 50 miles and both weighed
3700lbs each. Top speed according to the programs was 55-60 MPH. I would
imagine both of the cars have been sitting in storage for many years.
I am sure that both of these would make great project vehicles, but do
expect to put some work and parts into them as well as new a battery pack.
Shawn Waggoner
Florida EAA
561-543-9223
www.floridaeaa.org
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From: Jim Sylvester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:00 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: EV's on eBay
Anyone familiar with an eagle what drive system they use. I'm about 50 miles
from orlando.
Jim
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From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: EV's on eBay
>A couple of Eagles on eBay this AM - dead batteriesneed to be replaced -
> good starters for someone in the Orlando, FL area. Item #180106819742
> is one of them.
>
> Joe
>
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From: "robert mat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, from experience. We discovered this years ago, and called it
"throttle blipping" on Currie ebikes.
>
> Observation, not physics: When the etruck is up to desired speed, lighten
up on the throttle, watch amps drop ~80%. Because of mass of vehicle, speed
is almost the same, usually to the next stoplight.
i dunno how to frame my response to this 'experience'
"observation, NOT physics" .. so i guess a theoretical discussion
on why this happens won't work since there are usually several
who oppose to anyone who dares propose :-((
nevertheless, 'throtle blipping' seems to work with amps dropping
~80% .. that's a BIG drop ! .. it seems that only ~20% amps are
suffiencient to take care of wind resistance and rolling (bearing
and tyre) resistance .. and the ~20% amps takes care of maintaining
speed till the next red light
looks like it takes 5 times more power to bring an EV upto a particular
speed than to maintain the speed
we are NOT yet talking abot pulse and glide in EV's like the
tofu maker toya kind of nenpimania
idle turning of motor under no load conditions is not talked about
much .. and when suggested there could be many opposers
what is the 'experience' on the ground .. anyone tinker with the
idea of accelerating the car by using a motor with some sort of
clutch/mechanism which disengages and lets the car roll under
momentum .. or with another motor pitching in to maintain the
momentum at low current consumption level ?
i wish i could see a device wher my accelearator foot-paddle
could speed up the car as much as i want .. working in tandem
with another device with max/min speed settings .. when the
speed reached the max (as set by driver) the motor would
cut off .. and when the speed reached the min (as set by the
driver) the motor would start .. with the accelerator deciding
how fast the max speed would be achieved
(repeating .. just a wish .. can it be done ?)
..peekay
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Try something like Land Rover's or similar TPS.
It is unlikely you will find single pot 0-5k. Professional
OEM sensors never use single pot for sensing without ability to
detect wire break or short. Usually 2 sensors on one shaft
used and have to agree withing certain margin, or at least
single one used as voltage divider (so resistance doesn't really
matter) programmed to have voltage limits at it's mechanical
limits so that in case of wiring gets broken voltage rails
and controller/inverter detects it.
The software is normally flexible enough to adapt to mechanical
movement and convert linear stroke to say near exponential
response curve - it makes low speed maneuvering much smoother.
Victor
Paul G. wrote:
On Apr 14, 2007, at 9:18 AM, FRED JEANETTE MERTENS wrote:
thanks victor ... I did not KNOW that newer cars already had this
incorporated . I have an old ev 1 controller from the original
bradley gte and I wanted to drive by wire but did not know where to
get the part .
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From: Victor Tikhonov<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Potboxes
Look for throttle pedal assembly from any modern drive by wire vehicle.
IT has integrated pot. Just get that [spare] part and connect it to
your controller - it will outlast your vehicle 5 times over.
Victor brings up a great point, but there is a potential "gotcha." It
would be handy to know which vehicles used a pot in the 0k to 5k ohm
range or somewhat greater (like 0-7k ohms) and used in the correct
direction (0 ohms is no throttle.) Perhaps the auto makers have started
to standardize - but somehow I doubt it :-)
Perhaps my '66 Datsun will be getting a throttle body.
Paul "neon" G.
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> Here is an AC regen unit for sale on ebay: 140107777327
>
Seems a little steep for a used controller, but perhaps I'm wrong.
I bought a complete (controller, motor, gearbox) Solectria AC drive system
off ebay for about that price a while back.
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In a message dated 4/14/07 7:21:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: RE: Hooking up zilla to laptop
Date: 4/14/07 7:21:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Willmon)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Dennis,
I know a guy in Phoenix that can come over and hook you up.
e-mail me your number off list and I'll pass it on to him to call you.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
>>
Thanks Mike my tel # is 6023777583.I do have a working palm pilot buit with
the truck project coming along and to be able to use it on my dragster it would
be handy.I have 10 pictures of Bills bike,my truck motor,kta,s motors and my
s10 would you like me to send them? Dennis </HTML>
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Anybody have circuit diagram or schematic for the Curtis 1231C controller?
Anybody have a link or URL to an online circuit diagram or schematic for the
Curtis 1231C controller, used in electric vehicles and lift trucks?
Thanks for all replies.
Rob
James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 04:09 AM 9/04/07 -0700, Steve wrote:
>I have one of these and put it on the trading post for what I believe is
>the core / trade in value if you want to buy a refurb model. I want to be
>fair, So, I see the only value as either parts or a trade in. If
>I sell it, I want to be sure I'm not being unfair in my price. I also
>don't want to give it away if it actually does have some value.
G'day Steve, and All
The two 1221's that I've bought I paid US$200 private purchace, and US$165
via Ebay. Another private one that was an informal auction aparently sold
for around US$250.
Supply and demand, though, I already have two to rebuild so wouldn't pay
more than US$100 for another one (unless I find the one that is in transit
has incinerated its' PCB).
Others that missed out on the informal auction may pay over $200, if
they're still interested.
Ask for people who are interested to email you off-list with their offer,
see what eventuates.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
[Technik] James
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couldn't find it on craigs list either. LR.......
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From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: Free Electravan
> I could not locate the motor/tranny on Evtradingpost.com
>
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:23 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Free Electravan
>
> lol So that's what happened to it. LR.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Free Electravan
>
>
> >
> > Hmmm... that's interesting.
> >
> > The Electravan motor/trans combo on the evtradinpost.com just happens
to
> be in Berkeley also.
> >
> > Wish I was in Berkeley. Nah, not really. I like it here.
> > --
> > Stay Charged!
> > Hump
> > I-5, Blossvale NY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:01:50 -0700, "Lawrence Rhodes"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I saw the Electravan. It is rough but no rougher than my Electravan
was
> > > when I got it. EVen in out dry environment the bottom of both fenders
> had
> > > rust at the bottoms. However the back battery box is intact with no
> rust
> > > from acid drip. Mine had several holes. It is mostly there. Needs
new
> > > windshield. No motor or transmission. The body is straight. Taking
> this
> > > for free will save mega time in EV construction. It EVen has the
> > > highvoltage cables to the rear box intact. This is a durable vehicle.
> > > I'd
> > > run not walk into this project. It's all setup for electric
conversion.
> > > It's located in Berkeley. Call number below for details Don't
contact
> > > me
> > > unless you have questions of the physical condition. Lawrence
> > > Rhodes.......
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Amber Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:26:06 -0700
> > >> From: "Amber Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Subject: ElectraVan Body
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> We have an old ElectraVan body (motor has been taken
> > >> apart over the
> > >> years). It is in pretty rough shape. We would love
> > >> to have it
> > >> working for our organization, but we don't have the
> > >> time or resources
> > >> to do so, thus we are looking to get rid of the
> > >> body. It may be that
> > >> it just has to be sent to the scrap yard, but I
> > >> wanted to check and
> > >> see if someone out there might be able to make use
> > >> of it since it
> > >> seems to be a great moment in EV history, and
> > >> hopefully just a
> > >> beginning.
> > >>
> > >> We appreciate any advice that you may have.
> > >>
> > >> Amber Rich
> > >> Executive Director
> > >> Tinkers Workshop
> > >> 510 644 2577
> >
>
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Anybody have circuit diagram or schematic for the Curtis 1231C controller?
Some Curtis info including schematic here-
http://cafeelectric.com/curtis/index.html
~~~~~~
Roy LeMeur
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From: Mark Dutko
To: Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Fwd: Free Electravan
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: April 14, 2007 7:57:08 PM PDT
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: RE: Free Electravan
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
DC Motor/trans combo $1000.00 about halfway down the EV Parts for sale page
http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/index.php?method=showhtmllist&list=classifiedscategory&rollid=12&fromfromlist=classifiedscategory&fromfrommethod=showhtmllist&clearoff=1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Cor van de Water
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:55 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: Free Electravan
I could not locate the motor/tranny on Evtradingpost.com
Cor van de Water
Systems Architect
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: Free Electravan
lol So that's what happened to it. LR.....
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Free Electravan
Hmmm... that's interesting.
The Electravan motor/trans combo on the evtradinpost.com just happens to
be in Berkeley also.
Wish I was in Berkeley. Nah, not really. I like it here.
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:01:50 -0700, "Lawrence Rhodes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I saw the Electravan. It is rough but no rougher than my Electravan was
when I got it. EVen in out dry environment the bottom of both fenders
had
rust at the bottoms. However the back battery box is intact with no
rust
from acid drip. Mine had several holes. It is mostly there. Needs new
windshield. No motor or transmission. The body is straight. Taking
this
for free will save mega time in EV construction. It EVen has the
highvoltage cables to the rear box intact. This is a durable vehicle.
I'd
run not walk into this project. It's all setup for electric conversion.
It's located in Berkeley. Call number below for details Don't contact
me
unless you have questions of the physical condition. Lawrence
Rhodes.......
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:26:06 -0700
From: "Amber Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ElectraVan Body
Hi,
We have an old ElectraVan body (motor has been taken
apart over the
years). It is in pretty rough shape. We would love
to have it
working for our organization, but we don't have the
time or resources
to do so, thus we are looking to get rid of the
body. It may be that
it just has to be sent to the scrap yard, but I
wanted to check and
see if someone out there might be able to make use
of it since it
seems to be a great moment in EV history, and
hopefully just a
beginning.
We appreciate any advice that you may have.
Amber Rich
Executive Director
Tinkers Workshop
510 644 2577
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Tinkers Workshop tried to move/sell an Electravan that they knew little
about. They are good with tools though. As interest waned the motor &
transmission were taken out. That's what Tinkers do. Salvage what is
important dump the rest. Now in terms of what people spend for a new motor
& motor mount mounted to a transmission you are looking at 2k and a lot of
work. The body of the Electravan is sound. It has the rear battery box & it
has no noticable rust. That's another bunch of money youi'd have to spend to
put in the rear battery box. Mine had a few holes from acid splash. What
also makes these vehicles valuable is the light weight & extreme strength..
The vehicle is also built as an electric vehicle. If this vehicle had been
left alone & someone noticed what an easy project this would have been I'm
sure some smart Ev'er or Arcaner would have snapped it up. These are nice
looking vehicles & very practical.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/JETI Here are the listings of the JET
company.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/142 Here is an example of an Electravan 750
in good condition. It's not bad fixed up. Your basic econo truck. If
you're in the Bay Area & looking to build an EV this Electravan is worth
saving. You will get good service from this vehicle & save a lot of time &
money vs. converting another non ready vehicle. It has no power steering
or brakes so it's a simple conversion & my brakes & steering worked very
well. This vehicle is worth saving. It will go to the junk yard soon. If
you don't want the tranny & motor you can get the glider gratis. Contact
Tinkers Workshop in Berkeley CA. Lawrence Rhodes......
www.tinkersworkshop.org
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Cor van de Water wrote:
I made a write-up of zener reg testing, just in case...
Excellent!
If this is too much trouble, my "short" method is to just connect all of
them in parallel, and power them with an adjustable power supply. If all
is well, they should all light up at essentially the same time and same
brightness.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Any emission data if the genset was diesel?
And powered by diesel, biodiesel, or Waste veggie oil?
Thanks
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I've just returned to Maryland from a 2 week vacation in Florida. I didn't
exactly embark on an EV promotional tour, but my friends and relatives know
that my EV is my daily driver and had all sorts of questions. I did my best
to answer and was fully honest when asked questions where my knowledge was
lacking, specifically exotic chemistry batteries, and powering accessories
like vacuum pumps and A/C and their effect on battery loads/ranges.
My uncle has now asked me to design and build an EV commuter car capable of
30 miles uninterrupted travel on mixed roads (highways and slower secondary
roads). His commute is 60 miles total, but he is able to charge at work for
at least 8 hours uninterrupted, hence the 30 mile range. He's not fussy
about the donor car. He's not going to spring for exotic batteries, but he
won't make me skimp on motor, controller or other components. He lives in
south Florida so the good news is, he won't have to deal with extreme
temperature changes that will reduce lead-acid battery capacity. The (sort
of) bad news is, I'll have make darn sure that the controller is kept nice
and cool on those humid, 101F degree days because all the amps in the world
won't keep him moving if the controller is in thermal-cutback protect mode.
I'm a former submariner and communications engineer, not an automotive or EV
engineer but I know I can successfully duplicate my very reliable electric
Beetle and in fact, probably improve upon it in a few key areas. Wish me
luck and smile, I've actually been asked to build and export an EV!
Rich A.
Maryland
'74 Beetle
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Hi Rich,
Please feel free to pass along my info to your Father. We have a large EV
group here in S FL and will be holding monthly meetings at a local auto
service center so we can do technical sessions with the meetings. We are
going to be doing lots of projects as the local club and are always happy to
help each other with projects!
We know about heat and all the local problems you can run into.
On Beetles, I am starting a '73 Super Beetle and will updating my website as
I am able to: www.evbug.net
Hope we can help you and your father out...
Shawn Waggoner
Florida EAA
561-543-9223
www.floridaeaa.org
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From: Richard Acuti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:32 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Spreading the word, getting it done.
I've just returned to Maryland from a 2 week vacation in Florida. I didn't
exactly embark on an EV promotional tour, but my friends and relatives know
that my EV is my daily driver and had all sorts of questions. I did my best
to answer and was fully honest when asked questions where my knowledge was
lacking, specifically exotic chemistry batteries, and powering accessories
like vacuum pumps and A/C and their effect on battery loads/ranges.
My uncle has now asked me to design and build an EV commuter car capable of
30 miles uninterrupted travel on mixed roads (highways and slower secondary
roads). His commute is 60 miles total, but he is able to charge at work for
at least 8 hours uninterrupted, hence the 30 mile range. He's not fussy
about the donor car. He's not going to spring for exotic batteries, but he
won't make me skimp on motor, controller or other components. He lives in
south Florida so the good news is, he won't have to deal with extreme
temperature changes that will reduce lead-acid battery capacity. The (sort
of) bad news is, I'll have make darn sure that the controller is kept nice
and cool on those humid, 101F degree days because all the amps in the world
won't keep him moving if the controller is in thermal-cutback protect mode.
I'm a former submariner and communications engineer, not an automotive or EV
engineer but I know I can successfully duplicate my very reliable electric
Beetle and in fact, probably improve upon it in a few key areas. Wish me
luck and smile, I've actually been asked to build and export an EV!
Rich A.
Maryland
'74 Beetle
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payment
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I'll definitely stop by an have look. I've been contemplating a ev
project for sometime and maybe this is my place to start!
As background on these JETI vehicles, from the evalbum it seems that
some of them are not really capable of highway speeds. I assume that
since this is based on a ford body, this vehicle would be highway
capable. Do you know if this is true, or if there is any pointer you
can give me to read up on the background of these vehicles?
Thanks,
David Murphy
On Apr 15, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Tinkers Workshop tried to move/sell an Electravan that they knew
little
about. They are good with tools though. As interest waned the motor &
transmission were taken out. That's what Tinkers do. Salvage what is
important dump the rest. Now in terms of what people spend for a
new motor
& motor mount mounted to a transmission you are looking at 2k and a
lot of
work. The body of the Electravan is sound. It has the rear battery
box & it
has no noticable rust. That's another bunch of money youi'd have to
spend to
put in the rear battery box. Mine had a few holes from acid
splash. What
also makes these vehicles valuable is the light weight & extreme
strength..
The vehicle is also built as an electric vehicle. If this vehicle
had been
left alone & someone noticed what an easy project this would have
been I'm
sure some smart Ev'er or Arcaner would have snapped it up. These
are nice
looking vehicles & very practical.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/JETI Here are the listings of
the JET
company.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/142 Here is an example of an
Electravan 750
in good condition. It's not bad fixed up. Your basic econo truck. If
you're in the Bay Area & looking to build an EV this Electravan is
worth
saving. You will get good service from this vehicle & save a lot
of time &
money vs. converting another non ready vehicle. It has no power
steering
or brakes so it's a simple conversion & my brakes & steering
worked very
well. This vehicle is worth saving. It will go to the junk yard
soon. If
you don't want the tranny & motor you can get the glider gratis.
Contact
Tinkers Workshop in Berkeley CA. Lawrence Rhodes......
www.tinkersworkshop.org
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Hi Richard and All,
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From: "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Spreading the word, getting it done.
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:31:37 -0400
>I've just returned to Maryland from a 2 week vacation in
>Florida. I didn't exactly embark on an EV promotional tour
>, but my friends and relatives know that my EV is my daily
>driver and had all sorts of questions. I did my best to
>answer and was fully honest when asked questions where my
>knowledge was lacking, specifically exotic chemistry
>batteries, and powering accessories like vacuum pumps and
>A/C and their effect on battery loads/ranges.
>
>My uncle has now asked me to design and build an EV
>commuter car capable of 30 miles uninterrupted travel on
>mixed roads (highways and slower secondary roads). His
>commute is 60 miles total, but he is able to charge at work
>for at least 8 hours uninterrupted, hence the 30 mile
>range. He's not fussy about the donor car. He's not going
>to spring for exotic batteries, but he won't make me skimp
>on motor, controller or other components. He lives in
>south Florida so the good news is, he won't have to deal
>with extreme temperature changes that will reduce
>lead-acid battery capacity.
That's fairly easy by using a Karman Ghia or bug
based kitcar glider as you already have the adaptor, ect,
to copy from your Beetle EV.
A fairly fast one could be made with BB600's with a
contactor controller for a small amount of money with very
long battery life.
Or a 72vdc with T125's or 48vdc with one of the
1,000 amp controllers for a more conventional EV.
The (sort of) bad news is,
>I'll have make darn sure that the controller is kept nice
>and cool on those humid, 101F degree days because all the
>amps in the world won't keep him moving if the controller
>is in thermal-cutback protect mode.
Air temp doesn't get that high here, you in the north
get higher summer temps than we doo. Just at night our temps
don't go down, hanging around at 88=90F!! Very, very rarely
over 98F. But a dark car sitting in the sun can get over
200F. So mount it low with good airflow and you'll be
alright. Or go contactor controller and temp doesn't matter.
>
>I'm a former submariner and communications engineer, not an
>automotive or EV engineer but I know I can successfully
>duplicate my very reliable electric Beetle and in fact,
>probably improve upon it in a few key areas. Wish me luck
>and smile, I've actually been asked to build and export an
>EV!
The Bug, Ghia platform is hard to beat for EV's
because of their lightweight chassis, body and the Ghia for
more than 50 mph work with it's much better aero, the bug
for under 50 mph except for short bursts. While they don't
carry that much battery weight, they don't need much either
due to their low drag and saves on battery costs.
I'm in Tampa if your uncle or anyone is around here
and needs help.
Jerry Dycus
>
>Rich A.
>Maryland
>'74 Beetle
>
>
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