EV Digest 7080
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) AGM battery emissions
by Mark Freidberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Peukert's Recommendation for Exide Orbitals?
by Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered records
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered records
by "ROBERT GOUDREAU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Ni-MH cells and Chevron (Re: EV digest 7078)
by James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Shipping some EV Parts into Canada
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Shipping some EV Parts into Canada
by Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: The EV Album Keeps on Growin'
by Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Ni-MH cells and Chevron Li-ion Trike
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Shipping some EV Parts into Canada
by "Scott Auchinleck, Emergi-Tech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires - tire width vs RR
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Hybrid "gas" pedal
by "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Shipping some EV Parts into Canada
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Hybrid "gas" pedal
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires - tire width vs RR
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: NEDRA Nationals Raffle motor
by "Loni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: With barely a sound, electric dragsters aim for gas-powered records
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
18) Re: NEDRA Nationals Raffle motor
by "Loni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,
The Deka Intimidator 9A31 AGM batteries (12v, 100ah @
C/20) in my Geo EV (www.austinev.org/evalbum/701)
have been emitting a noxious odor. The odor is strong
enough to encourage maintaining cross-ventilation in
the 14'x25' garage that the EV resides in. That's even
if the batts simply remain idle for a day and longer.
Its a chronic odor that increases on the discharge.
When driving, a 2" fan in the rear battery box pulls
some air thru the cabin, but its not enough.
There is one 3 amp output Soneil/ACI charger per
battery. The chargers are bringing the batts to
14.5v-14.7v then floating at 13.6, increasing to 13.9
if left plugged in for a few hours.
At 70-80F, Deka calls for charging to 14.3v-14.6v and
float of 13.4v-13.7v.
Perhaps the chargers are taking the batts a little
high now. But the batts were stinky thru the winter
since installation when if anything, the Soneils were
slightly undercharging the batteries.
So it is not obvious to me that overcharging is a
cause of the odor emissions.
A previous pack of different brand AGMs also emitted a
disagreeable odor. Perhaps a little stronger then the
current Dekas.
One observation is that the intensity of the odor can
vary daily. I don't have a barometer handy yet and
wonder whether that variability is a result of battery
emissions varying with flucuations in barometric
pressure.
Perhaps both battery packs simply have sealing valves
that are unable to maintain enough of a pressure
differential between the inside of the battery and the
outside barometric pressure.
I'd like to eliminate these battery emissions in the
near term. Suggestions?
Mark
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I was wondering if anyone using the Exide Orbital 34DC-36 Blue Top
can recommend a conservative Peukert's "n" rating for my e-meter on
my 220V pack. Any experience here would be appreciated.
here is a link to the battery specs.
http://www.exide.com/products/marine_rv/orbital_deep_cycle.html
Thanks,
Mark
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Ah ha!
http://www.batterypower.com.au/nimh.htm
This was one of the sites I found, but lost when my bookmarks were
deleted in a web browser update.
All I could remember was the website and prices of the local electronics
franchise, not the best solution, and not the most economical.
Unfortunately, "Our website will be closed till June 18th 2007 while we
carry out maintenance work."
And is still closed, cannot contact.
About those Tenergy cells, if the D cell is apparently crap, I wonder if
it is a chemistry thing, or will other sizes be fine.
Something I might find out for myself.
And yes, I will post the results when I finish the project.
Cheers all,
James Drysdale.
Dmitri wrote:
> Unfortunately, I have tried that Tenergy D cell, and it is crap.
>
> http://www.batterypower.com.au/nimh.htm Here, btw, is a site I have
> found some time ago that might be of use for you.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: EV digest 7078
>
>
>> James,
>>
>> The Ni-MH issue is only with the large formate batteries. You might
>> look harder on the Internet for less expensive Ni-MH batteries. It
>> seems Toyota has gotten around the restriction by increasing the
>> number of power cells that they are using currently in the Prius to
>> power their next generation of plug in Priuses. The prices of the
>> market cells have come down a lot. You might look into powering your
>> bike with AA Ni-MH cells or D cells. You could probably pick them up
>> in AU saving your self the shipping costs.
>>
>> Try Tenergy sold at All-Battery on the Internet.
>>
>> https://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=355
>>
>> Tenergy has a tabbed D cell battery that costs 7.95 and is rated at
>> 1.2 volt at 10 Ah. To get the 36v 40Ah you want should only cost you
>> around 950 dollars. They may give you a break on price if you tell
>> them you are buying 120 batteries. I believe you can get them even
>> cheaper if they don't have tabs to weld them together into one pack.
>> Also try looking up a company called CTX. They have a D cell that is
>> rated at 13.5 Ah. It costs more but in may reduce the size of your pack.
>>
>> Keep us posted on your project I want to see the end results.
>>
>> Joseph Lado
>>
>>
>
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I am in the US, and someone in Canada wants to buy
some of my parts. I've never sold anything outside
the US (I'm probbaly not the only one in this
situation). So, I boxed it up and am ready to send
it. But, I went to Fed Ex website, and they are
asking what it is, value and bringing up issues like
tariffs and trade restrictions. I am selling a motor
controller and the value is <=$200 US. I'm posting
this because I'm sure other prople may have similar
issues at one point or another. So, can someone who
lives in Canada answer how best to ship into there?
I'd really appreciate some insight as I'm sure the
buyer would as well because he wants me to ship these
parts, and I don't know how to do it.
Thanks,
Steve
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I am in the US, and someone in Canada wants to buy
some of my parts. I've never sold anything outside
the US (I'm probbaly not the only one in this
situation). So, I boxed it up and am ready to send
it. But, I went to Fed Ex website, and they are
asking what it is, value and bringing up issues like
tariffs and trade restrictions. I am selling a motor
controller and the value is <=$200 US. I'm posting
this because I'm sure other prople may have similar
issues at one point or another. So, can someone who
lives in Canada answer how best to ship into there?
I'd really appreciate some insight as I'm sure the
buyer would as well because he wants me to ship these
parts, and I don't know how to do it.
Thanks,
Steve
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Yes, I'd like to thank you all for developing the
EVALBUM. It's a great resource for researching what's
already out there and working. When you're trying to
decide on a donor vehicle, it sure helps to see some
photos of working EV's. Keep growing and we'll keep
trying to get the word out to others about it.
As more of the masses see the EVolution, the more it
becomes a question in everyone's mind, if an
individual can build and drive an EV, why can't the
automakers do it? Or maybe it's who's keeping the
automakers from building them? Or............
--- Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I thought I should share this. As of this morning
> the EV Album is up
> to 1193 active entries and 6594 images. Since we
> went live with the
> new site May 9th 2006 we have had 3,898,876 page
> hits and now average
> around 300,000 per month or 10,000 per day. The
> traffic seems to be
> directly proportional to the price of gasoline.
>
M. Barkley
www.texomaev.com
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1135
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Just for informations sake. I have an electric trike
with a kiddie trailer that I carry 40AH of valence
lithium, BMS and charger. I have gone much more than
150 miles in a day and never have had to use the
charger except at night. I call the range unlimited
becaues there is not enough daylight to go far enough
to use the batteries up. of coarse I pedal too. BTW
if anyone is interested in purchasing this (I have
excess EV's) contact me off list.
kEVs
--- James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> >> Some background.....
> >> The battery capacity for my bicycle that I was
> originally aiming for was
> >> 40Ah. I thought Ni-MH would be a good solution as
> lead-acid would be
> >> very heavy and as it was a relatively small
> battery, the cost of Ni-MH
> >> cells would be okay.
> >>
> >
> > That is a HUGE pack for a bicycle. What are you
> planning for 100+ mile
> > range?
> >
> >
> Come December, yes.
> About 1600km (1000 miles), then back again.
> And in the meantime my daily load will be about
> 145kg (320 pounds).
> I do a call-out on-site tech service, all over town,
> and would like to
> use my recumbent trike as a primary vehicle.
> Need a trailer to haul my gear, and its not that
> light.
> >> I have been researching more.
> >> Chevron own the rights to Ni-MH technology?
> >>
> >
> > As I understand it, the basic technology.
> >
> >
> >> Apparently they sued Panasonic for $30 million
> over an EV-95 line of
> >> Ni-MH cells....
> >> http://www.ev1.org/chevron.htm
> >>
> >> So is it true that a large entity owns the
> patents for Ni-MH technology,
> >> and as this entity has more to do with oil,
> "restricts" the availability
> >> of Ni-MH cells?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, their licensing agreement specifically
> prohibits batteries large
> > enough for EVs, this is why they sued Panasonic,
> and won.
> >
> >
> >> Is this why lead-acid is still the only viable
> technology? Even for a
> >> crappy bicycle?
> >>
> >
> > Well, there is always LiIon/LiPol batteries.
> >
> Using DeWalt 9360 36v 2.2Ah packs as a reference,
> it will cost me $AU6480 ($US5546) for a 36v 40Ah
> pack.
> There was a seller on eBay selling these packs for
> much cheaper, but atm
> I can only find one (expensive) seller.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Akku-36-0-V-2-2-Ah-Li-Ion-DeWALT-DE-9360-DE9360_W0QQitemZ280067279316QQihZ018QQcategoryZ124423QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
> Also I am actually trying to save for a much bigger
> EV, and this won't
> help.....
>
> >
> >> Is there some Chinese or Taiwanese manufacturer
> that builds Ni-MH cells
> >> free of restraint from Chevron?
> >>
> >
> > Legally? No. But then the chinese tend to ignore
> trivial little things
> > like international patent/copywrite laws.
> >
> >
> Hmmm, I'd hate to think what I or anyone else would
> have to go through
> for an international order from such a company, and
> assuming that they
> build the same type of Ni-MH, what their quality
> control would be.
> Sorry, I am inexperienced in this area.
> >
> >> Is Nickel Metal Hydride cell technology
> restricted world-wide by a
> >> company that has its stakes in oil????
> >>
> >
> > Only for a few more years, until the patent runs
> out.
> >
> >
> >
> Well that is some good news.
>
>
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Hi Steve,
My experience ordering from the States has been that regular parcel
post is cheaper and just as fast, if not faster than UPS or
Fedex. If you mark clearly on the customs form that the controller
is made in the US, then the recipient only pays taxes, and not duty.
(If you check off the 'gift' box, then usually there's no
tax.....although there may be legal ramifications there...) Fedex
/ UPS also will ding them for a 'brokerage fee' as well, which is
quite steep - usually around $80.
Hope that helps
Scott
At 01:28 PM 29/07/2007, you wrote:
I am in the US, and someone in Canada wants to buy
some of my parts. I've never sold anything outside
the US (I'm probbaly not the only one in this
situation). So, I boxed it up and am ready to send
it. But, I went to Fed Ex website, and they are
asking what it is, value and bringing up issues like
tariffs and trade restrictions. I am selling a motor
controller and the value is <=$200 US. I'm posting
this because I'm sure other prople may have similar
issues at one point or another. So, can someone who
lives in Canada answer how best to ship into there?
I'd really appreciate some insight as I'm sure the
buyer would as well because he wants me to ship these
parts, and I don't know how to do it.
Thanks,
Steve
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A narrower tire will have a smaller contact patch. The smaller the contact
patch, the lower the rolling resistance. It's no coincidence that cars like the
Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius have pizza cutters under them while cars
like the Ford mustang and the Chevy Corvette have rolling pins.
As someone else already pointed out though, there is a sweet spot. Narrower
tires are only better to a point. Go beyond that point, and the tires become
TOO narrow. If the tire is too narrow, the tires contact patch could
conceivably increase from front to back. Having a tire that is too harrow could
also lead to more side wall flex. If the car is always working to squish the
sidewall, then energy is being lost. In general though, skinnier tires should
offer less rolling resistance.
Balancing tire width with the weight of the car is important in racing too. I
recall one article written by a guy who was racing in NASA's (North American
Sportscar Association) Factory Five Racing's Ford Cobra spec-racer series.
Nearly all of the competitors were running the same width tires, which was the
maximum width allowed. However, one of the drivers was using a tire that was a
few mm narrower than the rest of the field, and his corner exit speeds were
great enough that he won the event.
When it comes to race cars with big hp, wider tires are better... to a point.
When it comes to efficient cars with low energy density batteries, narrower is
better... to a point.
Brian
- Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>From: Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>CC: Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:50:39 -0700
>
>Phil,
>
>The reason I want a narrow tire is that a narrower tire will usually have a
>lower rolling resistance. This assumes that the tire it's being compared to
>is made of the same rubber compound and has the same tread.
Brian - why do you think that a narrower tire will have lower rolling
resistance?
Phil
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I believe that hybrid vehicles (at least the escape and I assume the
prius. Maybe even other new cars) are drive-by-wire and actually have
a potentiometer connected to the drive computer or whatever.
Can anyone confirm this?
Has anyone put one of these "gas" pedals from a hybrid in their EV?
just an idea...
--
Tehben
'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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I have shipped to Canada, Australia, and various other countries. Don't worry
about the tariffs section. That is only for people who are selling things
professionally like retailers or manufacturers. If you're just selling some of
your stuff on eBay, then you have nothing to worry about there. If you're
having trouble getting past this step on FedEx's web site, then it might be
easier to just take the package down to FedEx and finish things off there.
One thing to be aware of when shipping international is that it can take much
longer than shipping domestic. I have had some of my packages sit in customs
for aver a month. I waited for a turbo rebuild kit for about 2 months on one
occasion. You might want to ask FedEx what method might prevent this type of
delay. If this kind of delay happens, make sure you stay in touch with your
customer.
Brian
---- Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
I am in the US, and someone in Canada wants to buy
some of my parts. I've never sold anything outside
the US (I'm probbaly not the only one in this
situation). So, I boxed it up and am ready to send
it. But, I went to Fed Ex website, and they are
asking what it is, value and bringing up issues like
tariffs and trade restrictions. I am selling a motor
controller and the value is <=$200 US. I'm posting
this because I'm sure other prople may have similar
issues at one point or another. So, can someone who
lives in Canada answer how best to ship into there?
I'd really appreciate some insight as I'm sure the
buyer would as well because he wants me to ship these
parts, and I don't know how to do it.
Thanks,
Steve
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Mechanical throttle cables are getting less common all the time. They're going
the way of the mechanical speedometer cable, the mechanical heater control
valve cable, the mechanical distributor, etc. Many cars use them today. Some of
those cars are bound to be cheap... ish cars and available in junk yards.
Sounds like a good idea to integrate this technology to me.
Brian
---- Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
I believe that hybrid vehicles (at least the escape and I assume the
prius. Maybe even other new cars) are drive-by-wire and actually have
a potentiometer connected to the drive computer or whatever.
Can anyone confirm this?
Has anyone put one of these "gas" pedals from a hybrid in their EV?
just an idea...
--
Tehben
'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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From: Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
CC: Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires - tire width vs RR
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:29:05 -0700
A narrower tire will have a smaller contact patch.
No. The area of the contact patch depends only on the load on the wheel,
and the air pressure in the tire.
As a result, the contact patch for a narrow tire is narrower ( side to side)
and longer (front to back) than the contact patch of a wider tire with the
same load and air pressure.
But, the patch area will be the same.
The smaller the contact patch, the lower the rolling resistance.
I don't follow that reasoning. Even if the contact patch were smaller for
a narrow tire ( and it isn't) , I don't see why the rolling resistance would
be less with a smaller patch. Could you explain why you say that? It's not
the friction between the tire and the road which causes rolling resistance.
It's primarily the energy lost in deforming the tire.
> It's no coincidence that cars like the Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius
have pizza cutters under >them while cars like the Ford mustang and the
Chevy Corvette have rolling pins.
It's certainly true that wider tires are necessary for better cornering
performance, and for better straight-line performance with powerful engines.
But, that doesn't mean the their width alone makes the rolling resistance
higher.
Also, narrower tires are usually lighter weight, cost less, and fit more
easily in a narrow car - other good reasons why high-mileage cars use them.
And, Prius and Insight drivers are not generally looking for the sporty,
aggressive look of wider tires.
As someone else already pointed out though, there is a sweet spot.
Narrower tires are only better to a point. Go beyond that point, and the
tires become TOO narrow. If >the tire is too narrow, the tires contact
patch could conceivably increase from front to back.
ANY time you compare two tires with the same load and tire pressure, the
narrower tire will have a longer patch from front to back. ( see above).
There is no "sweet spot" in tire width where the patch suddenly gets longer
as the tire gets narrower. It happens for any reduction in tire width.
Having a tire that is too harrow could also lead to more side wall flex. If
the car is always working to >squish the sidewall, then energy is being
lost.
This statement I understand, because a narrower tire will deflect more for
the same load and pressure. It seems to me that this disadvantage should
apply to all narrower tires.
In general though, skinnier tires should offer less rolling resistance.
You already said that, but why???
Balancing tire width with the weight of the car is important in racing too.
I recall one article written by a guy who was racing in NASA's (North
American Sportscar Association) Factory Five Racing's Ford Cobra spec-racer
series. Nearly all of the competitors were running the same width tires,
which was the maximum width allowed. However, one of the drivers was using
a tire that was a few mm narrower than the rest of the field, and his
corner exit speeds were great enough that he won the event.
Even if that driver's success were due to the narrower tires, that would
only show that, in this case, the narrower tire performed better, not that
they had lower RR.
When it comes to race cars with big hp, wider tires are better... to a
point.
When it comes to efficient cars with low energy density batteries, narrower
is better... to a point.
Could you explain that? Why is narrower better, and what happens if they
are too narrow that starts the rolling resistance rising again?
Phil Marino
Brian
- Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>From: Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>CC: Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:50:39 -0700
>
>Phil,
>
>The reason I want a narrow tire is that a narrower tire will usually have
a
>lower rolling resistance. This assumes that the tire it's being compared
to
>is made of the same rubber compound and has the same tread.
Brian - why do you think that a narrower tire will have lower rolling
resistance?
Phil
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I'll be there, Jim, hoping to win that motor and stuff it in a motorcycle.
And yes, we need more people spreading the EV/conversion gospel. I'm always
looking to do more.
Lon Hull,
Portland, OR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EVDL" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:59 PM
Subject: NEDRA Nationals Raffle motor
Hey all
Being that lots of folks made the trek to PIR for the
Wayland invitational and being that it falls just a
month before the Nationals, I feel it makes it a bit
tougher to rally up the troops to come out and support
the group again. As this is NEDRA's 10th year (a
banner year at that!) anniversery I feel that it
should be supported and recognized for the efforts
made by those who have all helped to make doing an EV
convertion better, faster, and safer by pushing things
at the track and developing better ways to do things
8^)
With that said I was hoping to do more than the small
6.7" motor that I try to donate to the NEDRA events
8^) but I didn't have anything I could part with
larger than than a 6.7" 8^(
Last week Wayland calls me up and tells me that Tim
Brehm saw some motors in the scrap bin and shot him a
call (my ears perk up and I'm like ooH, do tell 8^)
Turns out John fetched out 5 motors for me! Four of
these are 7.5" X 13" Crown drive motors, two are
sep-ex and two are series wound. I'm going to be
stuffing an L91 shaft (old ones out already) into one
of the series wound motors and work it up so NEDRA can
raffle it off 8^)
For those wanting facts I took some measurements 8^P
The armature is a 45 bar /slot and wound with .090 X
.200 wire and the lamination body is 4.75" X 4.75".
The coils are 12 turn wound with .070 X .500 wire.
These Crowns are modeled after the ADC's and in fact
use the same brushes and these are an 8 brushed motor.
The total weight is 80 lbs. and is a lot more motor
than the 50 lbs 6.7" I've been doing.
Being that Tim and John look out for their little
motor buddy (thanks guys 8^) they have allowed me to
supply a lot nicer gift in support of the great work
this orginazation has done 8^) In fact this should be
looked at like a Plasma Torqued sponsored motor 8^o
I'll be posting pics soon. It isn't an MTC but I've
seen people using smaller motors than this in small
cars, if nothing else it'd be a nice beefy MC motor
although if Rod wins it it'll be on a scooter, LMAO.
I hate to say it but I'm still not even a NEDRA member
yet but I do what I can to help the guys out so they
can try to at least make ends meet and I'm calling you
all out to come help to 8^)
I'll end with this, you do not need to be a racer to
come out and help. In fact what I don't see is the
daily driver clubs who might have pamplets to hand out
to the public. Mike Willmon made some up and he was
handing them out like crazy 8^) I'm guilty of this
also though 8^(
The people asking questions want to know about where
and how they can learn about doing a daily driver.
Here's where the racers "wow" them but there needs to
be more advertising and instructions about how to and
where to start than is there right now IMO. In short,
if nothing else the more bodies that are there talking
to the public the more we are heard 8^)
I hope that this might help push anyone that's
teetering on the fence on whether or not they will
make the effort to attend, over to the attend side 8^)
Somebody's going to be taking it home, why not you~!
Hope to see EVeryone there.
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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LOL. Same here and me neither...
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From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: NEDRA Nationals Raffle motor
I'd certainly buy a ticket or two..... Not that I've
ever, ever won anything in my life
--- Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I may have missed something in the emails flying by,
but why is this called a raffle motor? Is it only
available to those that attend the event? If not,
here's my suggestion.
Set up a NEDRA paypal account for those that can't
attend, but are willing to contribute $5 or so bucks
towards the raffle. There are hundreds of people on
this list, and I would think many would be willing
to
put up some cash to win one of your motors Jim.
Time
to expand the bidding?
Maybe Chip Gribben or somebody that has internet
skills could make this raffle much bigger and more
exciting to the people on this list! Maybe we could
even have an extra check box like the DMV that
contributes to John's bigger lithium pack?
Thanks,
Rod
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all
>
> Being that lots of folks made the trek to PIR for
> the
> Wayland invitational and being that it falls just
a
> month before the Nationals, I feel it makes it a
bit
> tougher to rally up the troops to come out and
> support
> the group again. As this is NEDRA's 10th year (a
> banner year at that!) anniversery I feel that it
> should be supported and recognized for the efforts
> made by those who have all helped to make doing an
> EV
> convertion better, faster, and safer by pushing
> things
> at the track and developing better ways to do
things
> 8^)
>
> With that said I was hoping to do more than the
> small
> 6.7" motor that I try to donate to the NEDRA
events
> 8^) but I didn't have anything I could part with
> larger than than a 6.7" 8^(
>
> Last week Wayland calls me up and tells me that
Tim
> Brehm saw some motors in the scrap bin and shot
him
> a
> call (my ears perk up and I'm like ooH, do tell
8^)
> Turns out John fetched out 5 motors for me! Four
of
> these are 7.5" X 13" Crown drive motors, two are
> sep-ex and two are series wound. I'm going to be
> stuffing an L91 shaft (old ones out already) into
> one
> of the series wound motors and work it up so NEDRA
> can
> raffle it off 8^)
>
> For those wanting facts I took some measurements
8^P
> The armature is a 45 bar /slot and wound with .090
X
> .200 wire and the lamination body is 4.75" X
4.75".
> The coils are 12 turn wound with .070 X .500 wire.
> These Crowns are modeled after the ADC's and in
fact
> use the same brushes and these are an 8 brushed
> motor.
> The total weight is 80 lbs. and is a lot more
motor
> than the 50 lbs 6.7" I've been doing.
>
> Being that Tim and John look out for their little
> motor buddy (thanks guys 8^) they have allowed me
to
> supply a lot nicer gift in support of the great
work
> this orginazation has done 8^) In fact this
should
> be
> looked at like a Plasma Torqued sponsored motor
8^o
>
> I'll be posting pics soon. It isn't an MTC but
I've
> seen people using smaller motors than this in
small
> cars, if nothing else it'd be a nice beefy MC
motor
> although if Rod wins it it'll be on a scooter,
LMAO.
> I hate to say it but I'm still not even a NEDRA
> member
> yet but I do what I can to help the guys out so
they
> can try to at least make ends meet and I'm calling
> you
> all out to come help to 8^)
>
> I'll end with this, you do not need to be a racer
to
> come out and help. In fact what I don't see is
the
> daily driver clubs who might have pamplets to hand
> out
> to the public. Mike Willmon made some up and he
was
> handing them out like crazy 8^) I'm guilty of
this
> also though 8^(
>
> The people asking questions want to know about
where
> and how they can learn about doing a daily driver.
> Here's where the racers "wow" them but there needs
> to
> be more advertising and instructions about how to
> and
> where to start than is there right now IMO. In
> short,
> if nothing else the more bodies that are there
> talking
> to the public the more we are heard 8^)
>
> I hope that this might help push anyone that's
> teetering on the fence on whether or not they will
> make the effort to attend, over to the attend side
> 8^)
>
> Somebody's going to be taking it home, why not
you~!
> Hope to see EVeryone there.
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Got a little couch potato?
> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
>
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>
>
>
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