Also if I read this correctly with pm motors there is no need to run them in 
parallel to achieve higher hp I just need more voltage in each parallel?? Am I 
missing then concept here?? 

Hmmmmm great for a lifePo traction pack perhaps not for a flooded pack tho I 
suppose?

Stephen 

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2/5/2013 10:11 PM, Ds2inc wrote:
> Ideally yes the two motors. The goal is a 2 speed elec transmission
> Without the Zilla and hairball. I'm running two pm motors with the
> following, in a front wheel drive Saturn sl1 using 4-1 differentials
> gear reduction on each motor vs the auto trans.
> 
> MOTOR SPEC DATA: 97V  9 HP WITH 5,700 RPM
> 72V  6 3/4 HP WITH 4,200 RPM
> 60V  5 3/4 HP WITH 3,500 RPM
> 48V  4 1/2 HP WITH 2,700 RPM
> 36V  3 HP WITH 2,000 RPM
> 24V  1 1/4 HP WITH 1,100 RPM
> UP TO 21HP INTERMITTENT...

Sounds like an interesting approach.

The Zilla uses contactors to switch the between series/parallel (and 
forwqard/reverse). It has logic to watch the contactors, and decide when to 
switch for you. You would have to provide the equivalent of this in your 
controller. The manual is online; you can look at the contactor setup and see 
how it's done.

Basically, you wire up a set of contactors (or big switches) to do the 
series/parallel switching. You will also need reversing contactors, since you 
don't have a transmission with your setup. Finally, you need a main contactor, 
to shut it off in case the controller goes berserk.

Depending on your wiring, there may be circumstances where it is dangerous to 
turn on one contactor before another one turns off. The Zilla setup uses 
contactors with auxiliary switches, so the hairball *knows* whether a contactor 
has switched or not. For your setup, you'll want to include something similar.

PM motors run at a speed controlled by the voltage. If you run them in series, 
the current (torque) in each motor is the same, and the voltage (speed) will 
self-adjust; they act like a standard differential.

If you run PM motors in parallel, their voltage is the same, and they both run 
at the same speed. They behave like a limited-slip or locking differential. 
Nice in snow or on a drag strip; but it leads to extra losses in normal 
driving. Going around a curve, the outside motor is forced to turn faster, so 
it becomes a generator, and is actually dragging the wheel backward (negative 
torque). The current it generates drives the inside motor harder, trying to 
make it turn faster.
-- 
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A truly excellent engineer will tell you the truth. -- D.C. Weber
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Lee A. Hart, http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm
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