I would like to try a slightly different set of definitions: EV - a vehicle that has an electric drive train powered solely by an external electrical source. (I know this leaves out solar powered EVs and other future concepts of onboard harvesting of renewable energy - Since the rate of collection, in the best of circumstances, isn't sufficient for normal usage, I don't see this as a big problem. But please try to fix the definition :).
PIH - a vehicle that uses a combination of an electric drive train powered by an external electrical power and an ICE powered from an onboard chemical source (NB: "source", not "process"). FCV - a vehicle that is driven by an electric drive train but powered by an on board chemical source. By the way, I really don't think the public will get confused when going to the lot to test drive a car. Reading an article, though; yes. Peri -----Original Message----- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bruce EVangel Parmenter Sent: 24 November, 2013 1:37 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Its all about what motivates you ... I thought I would drop a note on the use of terms at this point in time, and of the pulse of the newswire situation/status. In the past, I had stated that I was seeing more and more fcv activity. Well, it is here and clogging up my searches because writers are either using the wrong terms for fcvs (calling them EVs), or EVs are being compared to fcvs. IMO fcvs are not an Electric Vehicle (they do not plug in, and they use chemical fuel to motivate the wheels). They do have electrified vehicle components. So, an fcv is an electrified-vehicle, but not an EV. If we don't differentiate EVs from other vehicles, the public is going to be so confused it is going to hurt plugin sales. That is why I have moved away from using phev and use pih (plug-in-hybrid). While phev is spread more around, so is manure (it does not mean it is the correct term that conveys what it is). Its all about what motivates you (what type of energy do you put back into your vehicle to make it go). Those that still hold on to their ice values (they learned about as a child, thus to them ice are normal and everything else is abnormal ... ) will think I am splitting hairs/being too specific. Not to preach to the choir here, but for those that are not that up on electrified-vehicles, it isn't that hard to learn about them. Its just that these ice-comfortable people have had years before now to know about ice. We have to overcome that right from the beginning by defining and using terms that mean what they say: EVs: vehicles that plug into the electrical grid or other electrical source (home solar/wind) to recharge its energy storage device (battery pack), and does not use chemical fuel to motivate the wheels plug-in-hybrids (pih) - vehicles that can plug-in and recharge off electricity, or run off chemical fuel. This includes both parallel and serial hybrid drive trains (GM deviously pushes their plug-in-serial-hybrid as an EV in an ELR/extended-range configuration, for more favorable marketing and regulations). If the vehicle plugs in and can run from either electricity or chemical fuel, its a plug-in-hybrid, which is not an EV. plugins - vehicles that can plug-in and recharge off electricity, includes EVs and plug-in-hybrids hybrid - the older original, non-plugin type - does not plug in, thus is not an EV fcv - fuel cell vehicle - it does not plug in and they use chemical fuel to motivate the wheels, thus is not an EV All the above are electrified vehicles - vehicles that have electrified components that motivate their wheels If we, the plugin community, stick to terms that lend themselves to easy and better understanding by the layman, the next wave of new plugin buyers will have an easier time, thus more of them will come to have an EV-grin. ... Newswires I had resorted to using the search rules to omit some words, but then when that is done, I might lose out on that one juicy newire that I really wanted. So, I also use my old searches afterward that has everything, to see what I missed. Yes its even more work, but I feel it is worth the effort. Not only for readers (both evdl members and those that read from the evdl archives via web searches), but to document what is happening for the future (newswires only last a short while on media outlet servers before they are removed = whitewashing the Internet one piece at a time). I also have specific search strings for each model of plugin. But that has essentially dried up for some models. I am going to assume, that automakers have met their quota and are not spending any serious money or effort until they have to (next year?). Leaf EV pieces in particular have been hard to find, which is odd as they are the number two Production EV in media writer's minds (but not in their hearts are they do not go as far as a Tesla, bla-bla-bla). That brings up the difference between my agenda and those of media writers'. I try to bring an equal amount (which is why a reader might think this is crap, Bruce must be slacking/losing-it ... ), and writers report either what they are most interested in (top of the line: Teslas) or what their Editors tell them to do). I try to cover EVs from the: electric bicycle, ejeepney/rickshaw, nEV/eLSV, low-cost China/India bare-bones, and all the way up to Mercedes (way out of the price-range of the common-man). I have also included coverage for more than just the U.S. but around the world (good ideas should be shared). As I previously mentioned, Tesla is reported the most in these searches, and lately focused on the agenda that media outlet has (usually negative toward Tesla). So, I have post most Tesla pieces as accessible on the archive (you have to go to the archive to read them). Plus, there is so many of them, I have to pace how many I put out per day. This also goes for EVSE pieces. There are just so many of them, the newswires are saturated. But there are key EVSE newswire pieces that have important information that should be disseminated to the plugin community (new L3 with multiple couplers, new payment methods, discounts/recalls, etc.) How many per day is also a measurement I use for other topics, so reader may not be keen on, but I feel need to be on the archive for future knowledge. This means I try to limit my posts to have: 1 Tesla, and 1 EVSE piece per day. I also pace the newwires, as sometime they come in as a flood, and somethings there are days of nil. Sometimes you might see less newswires, and that is because of a drought of good items to post. OK, I mentioned the above not to blow my own horn in your face, but it is good to take the horn out and show it before putting it away again. I hope all my efforts strike a balance that is acceptable to all. {brucedp.150m.com} -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
