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The Electric Fuel Propulsion Company in Detroit Michigan, is working with a scientist that invented the alkaline batteries we are using today. Instead of using hydrogen that is store and using in a fuel cell, the fuel cell first produces the hydrogen from the alkaline chemistry to hydrogen which produces the electricity. The fuel cell is normally use as a assist to a battery pack for acceleration and driving up long hills. It can also charge the battery pack when the EV is stop or coasting down long hills. The fuel cells can be stack up to 50kw at 120/240 vac 60 hz which can be use for remote work site power or can be use to power your camp site or cabin. I am still driving one of the EFP proto type EV's call Transformer I today which is now 38 years old. The EFP contacted me sometime ago, to see if I wanted to have the EV converted to this system. Today, I do not drive these distances any longer. My next battery pack in about 4 years will be a 100 ah 260 volt instead of the 250 ah at 180 ah which will still give me over a 50 mile range. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bruninga via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: ev...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ev...@yahoogroups.com> ; solar...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:solar...@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts (trucking) >> Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure) makes >> little sense compared to EV’s (everyone has an outlet in their >> garage). The business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it >> is needed for trucks and road warriors). > I'm not sure what you mean by "needed for trucks and road warriors Long haul Trucks and travelers need to drive long distances in 8 hours. That is a range of about 500 miles with as little time lost in re-fueling. It will never make sense to try to make an EV do this job by carrying a 500 mile range battery for such continuous use, so some kind of fast-refueling chemical fuel will always be best for these applications. Hydrogen which can be generated (though inefficiently) from 100% renewable and excess renewable solar and wind energy fills this niche without any reliance on carbon. And though it makes no sense to try to deliver hydrogen to 600 million car tanks (most of which can do fine with a 50 mile daily battery) it does make sense to provide hydrogen refueling along the interstates for routine long-distance transportation in a future carbon free world. > but those that actually have to put up the money > would disagree about... the business model for hydrogen cars. ... True (my point) ... Until there are no more dead dinosaurs and no other solution for carbon-free 100% renewable long distance transportation left. We need to be designing for the future, not racing to the bottom line until it is too late to peacefully effect change. Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/dc672e45/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
