On 7/7/14 6:47 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote:
I know it's not a 'true' EV, but definitely don't forget the noble
Chevy Volt. At just $34k before tax credit, it provides decent EV
range (unlike the other PIH), decent performance, a coddled battery
that will last forever, actual back seat and trunk space (unlike the
puny Leaf), and versatility that only the Tesla can rival (at 3x the
price). I think its the perfect car for someone who wants to go EV,
needs more than the 70 miles the automakers have settled on (or lives
in harsh climates), and can't/won't throw down a fortune for a
Tesla.
The Volt is worth considering for anyone who needs one car that can do
some electric and some gas. It's not the best at either, but it does it
all in one car.
To be accurate though, I don't think the Volt has any significant back
seat or trunk advantage over the LEAF. I'd expect the Volt to have less
space since it's classified as a compact whereas the LEAF is classified
as a mid-sized vehicle. The LEAF can seat 5 people, vs. 4 in the Volt.
From one comparison:
(http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-reviews/224415/2014-nissan-leaf-vs-2014-chevrolet-volt-which-is-better.jsp)
"We're also not sold on the Volt's cargo capacity: Seats up or down, it
only has about half the cargo volume of the Leaf."
For less money the LEAF also gives you at least double the EV range,
double the 240 volt level two charging speed, and a 440 volt fast charge
port that's not available on the Volt. Plus a simpler mechanical design
with no complex gas engine or exhaust system to repair, ever. On the
flip side, the Volt can burn gas for longer range needs. While it's not
as efficient as a Prius for long trips, if you want it all in one car
the Volt can do it.
So it just depends on what your driving needs are. There's no ultimate
winner, just different options to fit different needs.
One of each might be a nice combination for two car families with a mix
of driving needs.
Cheers,
-Jamie
That said, if you have the money, the Tesla is definitely the
superior car for 99% of your driving needs.
-Ben
On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:41 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
After seeing many misinformed newswires on that topic, that did not
state where EVs are available and at what price so the public can
compare, I thought I would put together this post.
I encourage comments and evdl members to post similarly of what EVs
are available and their prices in their location.
I searched for new non-compliance-car EVs in the SF Bay area. I
think it would be interesting to compare with other regions. My
local Mitsubishi dealership web pages did not list the iMiev so, I
left the iMiev out. Here is what I found:
$32k 2015 Nissan Leaf S Trim r:75mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:CHAdeMO
http://www.stevenscreeknissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?year=2015&&&sortBy=internetPrice+asc&model=LEAF&;
Stevens Creek Nissan
http://www.nissansunnyvale.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=LEAF&&&&year=2015&;
Nissan Sunnyvale
$43k 2014 BMW i3 (EV-only) r:81mi-EPA, Level-3 charging:Combo css
http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=i3&sortBy=internetPrice%20asc&;
Stevens Creek BMW
http://westmont.laurelbmw.com/Westmont/For-Sale/New/?ModelId=2432&Model=i3
BMW of Fremont
http://www.peterpanbmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_model=i3&_sort=priceasc
Peter Pan BMW
http://www.eastbaybmw.com/inventory.aspx?_new=true&_makef=BMW&_model=i3
East Bay BMW
$70k Tesla Model S 60kWh r:208mi-EPA, Level-3
charging:Supercharger http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design
All these USD prices are before any rebates and will vary
(dealerships mark up the price wildly to get as much as they can).
These prices were the lowest ones I found on the above dealership
websites.
In the following 3 different EVs, they each have level-3 quick
charging and multiple driving modes. These Automakers seem to have
made much more of an EV commitment than all the others. I am using
a price to mileage ratio to roughly compare the EVs'
bang-for-the-buck (the lower the number, the better the deal):
Leaf: ~427 (=32000/75)
i3: ~511 (=43000/81)
Tesla-S: ~337 (=70000/208)
The Tesla-S has the best overall deal, and the Leaf is the better
lower-purchase-cost deal.
But besides not being a better cost/range deal, there is another
problem with the i3. There is nil Combo css level-3 quick charging
in the Americas. Therefore the i3 only has a 6kW level-2 charging
capability in the Americas. For some, level-2 is all they need but
not having Level-3 quick charging that is a game-killer for many
buyers. They may hardly use it, but it it there if they want to use
it, and it adds to the EV's resale value.
I suppose we could do a similar comparison with the compliance-car
EVs, but why?
Besides being hard to get, harder to get support, they do not have
level-3 charging. Also those Automakers could pull a Toyota and
abandon their compliance-car EVs to go fcv just to garner more
ice-selling credits. And we know Automakers and Oil companies are
vying for a change when it is time for the next U.S. Presidential
vote (hoping for the same dismemberment of the CARB mandate that
happened under GW's reign).
The newswires talk of more production EVs coming next year, but I
say why wait? If you know what your EV driving needs are, and one
of the above fit them, go for it.
{brucedp.150m.com}
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