Bob, Your point is well taken, but for me it is economics. I didn't save much for retirement and so not I cannot afford many things as I try to sock it away. When full size EVs get to where I can afford them (used, with lot's of life left in them) I will be all on board. For now I have to go with the OT ELF.
It is just now, and with the availability of the Leaf at dealer cost, that there any reason at all for me to consider it. The Leaf doesn't serve my need for what is essentially a small truck, the early model xB; which with roof racks allows me to bring home 16 foot lumber from the building supply store, or pack the rear compartment (no seats in there) with incredible amounts of crap. I like that powered trailer that was just posted: http://www.gizmag.com/brouhaha-modular-electric-bike-trailer/33052/ I can only haul 350lb of cargo on the ELF. A trailer would really do it right. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> wrote: > And if the ICE and EV they are similar, then why keep on burning all that > fossil fuel (lots with blood on it, and sending our $$$ overseas) and > ruining the air and the environment when you could actually be part of the > clean, renewable energy future just as easily? Bob > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >> Surely you don't mean only maintenance. Isn't there even a little fuel in >> that? >> >> My Scion xB has used up about $18000 in gasoline if I call it an average >> of >> $3 / gallon times 6000 gallons. >> >> The only repair that is ICE related is $250. I have maybe 35 oil changes >> in it at $25 (I do them myself), call it $30 to cover air filters and >> stuff >> - $1050. >> >> I won't add in the tires and brakes, they are in ICE and EV. >> >> Never tallied the fuel cost before - that is frightening. >> >> At a purchase cost of $11,900 with 9000 miles on the clock I think you >> don't get a much less expensive ICE. >> >> I guess the power for an EV might be a quarter of the gas cost. If I >> hypothesized an xB EV then I would have saved $13500. Still, there are no >> EVs comparable that would compete with the xB on economy and utility. I >> have a deal at work where I could get a Leaf for dealer cost, maybe $23K. >> That is in the neighborhood, but not as flexible as the xB due to current >> charging options. Still it is getting close. Here is wishing for >> dependable used leafs that will go 200K+ miles. If I paid show room >> prices for an xB the Leaf then looks nice. But, I would be more likely to >> get an used xB for maybe $8K. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >> > I just looked at the total maintenance costs for my ICE vehicle (Honda >> > Odyssey 2000) and it is just under $20,000. Grant it, I take it on long >> > trips which I can't do with the Leaf but from a cost perspective, even >> if I >> > need to replace the battery every 6-7 years in my Leaf (and it will >> likely >> > be 10-12 years), I would come out probably about half that cost. There >> are >> > just too many things to go wrong with ICE vehicles. So far I've spent >> $21 >> > on the Leaf, for a tire repair. >> > >> > And the $20K doesn't include fuel! >> > >> > Peri >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> > group/NEDRA) >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain >> happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? >> *Dalai Lama * >> >> Tell me what it is you plan to do >> With your one wild and precious life? >> Mary Oliver, "The summer day." >> >> To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. >> Thomas A. Edison >> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> >> >> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. >> *Warren Buffet* >> >> Michael E. 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