As a perhaps 'what-if' scenario, 'what the future will bring', or as a bit of a mental exercise, I am posting something relating to the previously posted large (puffy) truck item http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Electrifying-Large-Vehicles-converting-buyers-to-a-higher-mpge-design-tp4671523.html Electrifying Large Vehicles> converting buyers to a higher mpge design to kick around.
What lead me to this was a hev newswire http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/story/2014/10/coca-cola-to-more-than-double-hybrid-vans.aspx touting Coke delivery vans converted to hev giving better economy. That newswire did not do much for me, but my next thought was what off the shelf conversion items were the converter using, so I sought out the converter's site. Looking at http://www.xlhybrids.com/hybrid-van-available-now and focusing on the (right side) largest vehicles, I clicked on the spec link: http://www.xlhybrids.com/sites/default/files/XL_Hybrids_Cutaway_SalesSheet_Web.pdf which gives the specs for their large hev with an image showing an underside view of the chassis, showing the drive train, pack, etc (ice not shown but you can figure that part out). Lets forget all their hoopla pushing hev and assume the future has cheaper packs, that lends itself to conversion businesses like this to using 'off the shelf' pih packages (so no longer making hev, but pih conversions). Instead of the wimpy 1kW hev pack (like what is shown, similar to what a Prius hev has), their range of converted pih vehicles (from vans to buses to heavy Strip Chassis trucks) could offer different pack configurations as options, starting with a lower priced ~20kW, and incrementally increasing the pack capacity size to fit the customer's need/demand. This would have a much wider use than just as Coke delivery vans. It could be implemented all across heavy vehicle uses (from airport shuttle-vans/people-mover/limo-service to city shuttle-buses to large heavy box delivery trucks). Those pih vehicles with a large pack capacity and a regular route could have an L3 EVSE at their regular/usual stops to quickly boost their e-range use ($aving $, using less chemical-fuel, extending the periods between ice-maintenance). Large delivery trucks are regularly parked for queuing to unload or load items at a site's shipping/receiving dock. Those with refrigeration units usually offer 240VAC/20A 3-phase power to keep refrigeration units powered. That same electrical power could put miles back into parked pih vehicles (same amount of electrical energy, just instead of cooling, it puts e-range back in). The possibilities of heavy pih vehicle use are expansive, including eventually: - RVs (when they plug in for the night, the smart on-board charger pulls the maximum power from the Nema 14-50 240VAC 50A outlet and what power is not needed for the RV appliances is used to recharge the pack> adding e-miles). - Shuttle buses parked routinely for 15min to give the driver a break, could use an inductive charging system could pump power back into the pack - Smaller vans and trucks could fit in standard EVSE parking spaces thus could use public L3 to regain miles quickly on lunch breaks, etc. - And some of the civilian drivers that currently drive huge inefficient (wasteful, puffy) trucks for show (with no intention to actually use them or get them scratched from work) could also have the option of driving some of their miles in electric-mode. The above could happen, and may be right around the corner. I came across a pih newswire http://www.businesswire.com/news/mfrtech/20141027006268/en/Greenkraft-Efficient-Drivetrains-Jointly-Receive-Grant-California Greenkraft Inc. and Efficient Drivetrains, Inc. Jointly Receive Grant from California Energy Commission to Develop CNG-PHEV Class-4 Truck promoting the CEC's grant funding Greenkraft http://www.greenkraftinc.com/alternative-fuel-systems/ to use Efficient Drivetrains' http://www.efficientdrivetrains.com/ phev/pih product I did not see how large the pih pack was, nor what type of charging they offered. So, while some may think grant $ like this are a waste, grant$ can show the viability of a business model that produces and or uses large heavy pih vehicles. All corrections, comments, views are welcome :-) For EVLN posts use: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble+template%2FNamlServlet.jtp%3Fmacro%3Dsearch_page%26node%3D413529%26query%3Devln+-re%26sort%3Ddate + EVLN: Awesome Carpenter.cn Sporting His Woodie nEV r:20km ts:30kph + EVLN: PatrasU Students' 1seat 110hp 235kg EV +production business plan {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Large-pih-conversion-vehicles-tp4672312.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
