Let's see. Griffen says on the negative electrode, while electrons are being pumped in during charging, positive electrolyte ions are attracted to and glom onto the electrode surface. Meanwhile, on the positive side, he says negative electrolyte ions are similarly attracted to the electrode surface. But also that positive ions are repelled away.

The latter makes sense: any positive ions hanging around an electrode which is becoming more positive will be repelled. And they should be migrating towards the negative electrode.

But this doesn't make sense: what brings the positive ions back to the positive electrode? The electrode never becomes negative so I would think the positive ions would mostly hang around the negative electrode but just relax their grip as the negative attraction decreases. I don't see any reason they should be attracted to the other electrode. In fact, if they are, why isn't the same "exchange" happening around the negative electrode?

Peri

------ Original Message ------
From: "brucedp5 via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 27-Jun-15 4:48:42 AM
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Cambridge, Toulouse see inside supercaps @ion, atomic-level



http://phys.org/news/2015-06-technique-ions-supercapacitor.html
New technique for 'seeing' ions at work in a supercapacitor
[2015-06-21]

Researchers from the University of Cambridge, together with French
collaborators based in Toulouse, have developed a new method to see inside battery-like devices known as supercapacitors at the atomic level. The new
method could be used in order to optimise and improve the devices for
real-world applications, including electric cars, where they can be used
alongside batteries to enhance a vehicle's performance.

By using a combination of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy and tiny scales sensitive enough to detect changes in mass of a millionth of a
gram, the researchers were able to visualise how ions move around in a
supercapacitor. They found that while charging, different processes are at work in the two identical pieces of carbon 'sponge' which function as the electrodes in these devices, in contrast to earlier computer simulations. The results are published today (22 June) in the journal Nature Materials.

Supercapacitors are used in applications where quick charging and power
delivery are important, such as regenerative braking in trains and buses, elevators and cranes. They are also used in flashes in mobile phones and as a complementary technology to batteries in order to boost performance. For
example, when placed alongside a battery in an electric car, a
supercapacitor is useful when a short burst of power is required, such as when overtaking another car, with the battery providing the steady power for
highway driving.

"Supercapacitors perform a similar function to batteries but at a much
higher power—they charge and discharge very quickly," said Dr. John Griffin, a postdoctoral researcher in the Department of Chemistry, and the paper's lead author. "They're much better at absorbing charge than batteries, but since they have much lower density, they hold far less of that charge, so they're not yet a viable alternative for many applications. Being able to
see what's going on inside these devices will help us to control their
properties, which could help to make them smaller and cheaper, and that
might make them a high-power alternative to batteries."

At its most basic level, a battery is made of two metal electrodes (an anode and a cathode) with some sort of solution between them (electrolyte). When the battery is charged, electrolyte ions are stored in the anode. As the battery discharges, electrolyte ions leave the anode and move across the battery to chemically react with the cathode. The electrons necessary for this reaction travel through the external circuit, generating an electric
current.

A supercapacitor is similar to a battery in that it can generate and store electric current, but unlike a battery, the storage and release of energy
does not involve chemical reactions: instead, positive and negative
electrolyte ions simply 'stick' to the surfaces of the electrodes when the supercapacitor is being charged. When a supercapacitor is being discharged to power a device, the ions can easily 'hop' off the surface and move back
into the electrolyte.

The reason why supercapacitors charge and discharge so much faster is that the 'sticking' and 'hopping' processes happen much faster than the chemical
reactions at work in a battery.

"To increase the area for ions to stick to, we fill the carbon electrode with tiny holes, like a carbon sponge," said Griffin. "But it's hard to know what the ions are doing inside the holes within the electrode—we don't know
exactly what happens when they interact with the surface."

In the new study, the researchers used NMR to look inside functioning
supercapacitor devices to see how they charge and store energy. They also used a type of tiny weighing scale called an electrochemical quartz crystal microbalance (EQCM) to measure changes in mass as little as a millionth of a
gram.

By taking the two sets of information and putting them together, the
researchers were able to build a precise picture of what happens inside a
supercapacitor while it charges.

"In a battery, the two electrodes are different materials, so different
processes are at work," said Griffin. "In a supercapacitor, the two
electrodes are made of the same porous carbon sponge, so you'd think the same process would take place at both—but it turns out the charge storage
process in real devices is more complicated than we previously thought.
Previous theories had been made by computer simulations—no-one's observed
this in 'real life' before."

What the experiments showed is that the two electrodes behave differently. In the negative electrode, there is the expected 'sticking' process and the positive ions are attracted to the surface as the supercapacitor charges. But in the positive electrode, an ion 'exchange' happens, as negative ions
are attracted to the surface, while at the same time, positive ions are
repelled away from the surface.

Additionally, the EQCM was used to detect tiny changes in the weight of the electrode as ions enter and leave. This enabled the researchers to show that solvent molecules also accompany the ions into the electrode as it charges.

"We can now accurately count the number of ions involved in the charge
storage process and see in detail exactly how the energy is stored," said Griffin. "In the future we can look at how changing the size of the holes in the electrode and the ion properties changes the charging mechanism. This way, we can tailor the properties of both components to maximise the amount
of energy that is stored."

The next step, said Professor Clare P. Grey, the senior author on the paper,
'is to use this new approach to understand why different ions behave
differently on charging, an ultimately design systems with much higher
capacitances."

Explore further: Beyond the lithium ion—a significant step toward a better
performing battery

More information: In situ NMR and electrochemical quartz crystal
microbalance techniques reveal the structure of the electrical double layer
in supercapacitors, DOI: 10.1038/nmat4318

http://phys.org/journals/nature-materials/
Journal reference: Nature Materials search and more info website

http://phys.org/partners/university-of-cambridge/
Provided by University of Cambridge search and more info website
[© phys.org]



http://www.nanowerk.com/nanotechnology-news/newsid=40538.php
New technique for 'seeing' ions at work in a supercapacitor
[2015-06-23] The new method could be used in order to optimise and improve the devices for real-world applications, including electric cars, where they
can be used ...




For EVLN posts use:
http://evdl.org/evln/

http://www.idtechex.com/research/articles/jet-engine-range-extenders-for-electric-vehicles-00007963.asp?donotredirect=true
Jet engine range extenders for electric vehicles
Jun 22, 2015 In May 2015, Californian Company, Wrightspeed announced the Fulcrum, a gas turbine on-board range extender for charging the batteries of electric vehicles. For over ten years, there has been a small market for
such …

http://www.ngtnews.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.10881
26 Sectran Security Armored pih Trucks for CA in 2016
http://www.ngtnews.com/e107_plugins/content/images/image/10881_security.jpg
...
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2015/06/25/134831-north-american-repower-and-efficient-drivetrains-inc-to-deliver-first.html
N.American-Repower &Efficient-Drivetrains' 1st PHEV-RNG Armored Truck

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/general-news/20150616/napa-county-activates-electric-car-charging-stations
152 EVSE throughout SF Area to relieve network hot-spots & gaps
+
EVLN: morgan-motor.co.uk EV3 3-Wheel retro electric car concept


{brucedp.150m.com}



--
View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Cambridge-Toulouse-see-inside-supercaps-ion-atomic-level-tp4676530.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
_______________________________________________
UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)


_______________________________________________
UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)

Reply via email to