So the "Fraternal Order of Police" spokesman calls it a mess? Now I am shocked. They are so hooked on oil like a drug and stuck in the 20th century. I am always surprised that in the US their low power 120v domestic supply is even considered for charging EV's. In the UK and possibly Europe, the domestic (Granny) EVSE is generally set for a maximum 10A although the UK plug max is 13A and Europe 16A, both supplying around 230v. The US 120v sockets don't have switches which can degrade the socket contacts if unplugged under power. The pins are also very thin.As a US EVSE on 120v will need to connected for twice as long as a European one on 230v, it is hardly surprising that the sockets can burn out. Mayor Greg Ballard should be supported though for "going against the flow" in rolling out EV's but it would not have cost much for all the users to have had a visit from an electrician to replace existing or install a dedicated supply, preferably 220vac. From: brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2015, 8:06 Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: IMPD blames all plugins> DPW reneged on chking home L1 outlets 1st
% It was a Volt pih L1 EVSE that overheated L1 an outlet at an employee's home> which should have been checked by DPW before assigning a plugin to a city-employee % http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/07/09/city-tells-workers-stop-charging-electric-cars-home/29919687/ City tells workers to stop charging electric cars at home John Tuohy July 9, 2015 [image / Robert Scheer/The Star file photo http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2015/07/09/Indianapolis/Indianapolis/635720537043165334-49-takehome.jpg Vision Fleet car tweet http://twitter.com/John_Tuohy/status/619216852208754689/photo/1 John Tuohy @John_Tuohy A charred outlet at the home of an IMPD officer who plugged in his Chevy Volt. 11:49 AM - 9 Jul 2015 ] Short-circuits at five houses, no injuries or fires Citing safety concerns, the city ordered its police officers and other employees to stop charging their municipal electric cars at home after a handful of short circuits were reported. Officials said electrical circuits blew in the houses of five employees with take-home Vision Fleet cars. None of the overloads caused fire or injury, but two damaged electrical outlets, said Department of Public Works spokesman Scott Manning. The short circuits likely happened because the cars — Chevrolet Volts, Nissan Leafs and Fusion Energis — were not charged on dedicated circuits, Manning said. The hybrids are generally juiced in a home garage 110-volt three-pronged outlet and require as much electrical current as a refrigerator or a space heater. Manning said electricians for Vision Fleet will inspect the homes of each employee who has take-home cars to make sure the outlets are not shared and to recommend the rewiring of homes that need it. “They’ll inspect the wiring to make sure the outlet can handle it,” he said. “Obviously not everyone knows exactly how their house is wired.” Fraternal Order of Police Spokesman Rick Snyder called the situation “a mess.” Police already were questioning the appropriateness of the fleet because some of the electric cars were not large enough to hold an officer's equipment. Now they have to worry about the safety of the cars themselves, even when they’re parked, he said. “These vehicles are not working for police,” Snyder said. “Why weren’t we told about this possibility before? We are talking about plugging a car into someone’s home. Thank God somebody’s house didn’t burn down.” Snyder said it was unreasonable for city officials to assume that every employee knows the intricacies of his home electrical wiring system and whether a circuit is dedicated. “It is disheartening and frustrating,” he said. About 100 employees have take-home electric cars, including police officers and supervisors for the public works and code enforcement departments. So far, about 215 cars have been delivered to the city, and 210 others are expected by the end of the year. None of the electrics cars for police is a patrol car. Democratic City-County Councilman Frank Mascari said Vision Fleet offered to inspect the homes of the employees before the cars were issued but DPW said it would it do it instead and never followed through. “They just skipped over that step,” Mascari said. Manning said home inspections were discussed, but the city and the company agreed that training and instructions were sufficient and much cheaper. The training included how to drive the Vision Fleet cars and how to charge them. The owners manuals also have instructions on both. Vision Fleet spokeswoman Jennifer Wagner said the training stressed “the importance of making sure vehicles are plugged in to a dedicated outlet that will not overload the electrical system in the home.” “That said, we have noticed on a few home inspections that some vehicles are not being plugged in to those specifications, which has caused a few instances of circuit overload,” Wagner said in an email. “We immediately took action to solve the problem.” The inspections by Vision Fleet should be finished by early August. Employees will be reimbursed the cost of gas for miles that should have been driven by electric power. The rollout of Mayor Greg Ballard’s plan to switch much of the city fleet to electric cars and hybrids has been met with fierce, though belated, resistance from the City-County Council. The council is suing to kill the $32 million no-bid contract for Vision Fleet, of California, which would provide the city with 425 cars over seven years in a lease/rental arrangement. Councilman Zach Adamson, a Democrat who chairs the Public Works Committee, said the council’s goal is to have the contract torn up and a new one put out for bid. “If Vision Fleet comes in the low bid, I have no problem with that,” he said, adding that he is not opposed to a gradual switch to some electric cars. Adamson said if the first contract had been bid “in a deliberative process” the city might not be in the position of the “cars burning up” now. “That’s why a transparent process is so important,” he said. City employees can still power their cars at several municipal chargers, including the garage of the City-County Building, where there are 26 chargers, Manning said. [© indystar.com] ... http://www.wthr.com/story/29516205/changes-in-store-for-citys-electric-car-fleet-after-home-damage-reports Changes in store for city's electric car fleet after home damage reports Jul 09, 2015 http://indy.gov/egov/city/dpw DPW Home - City of Indianapolis https://twitter.com/indydpw ... http://gm-volt.com/2011/07/27/taking-care-when-plugging-in-the-chevy-volt/ Taking care when plugging in the Chevy Volt Jul 27 2015 by Jeff Cobb ... “My 110v cord got so hot it caused a 2nd degree burn to my wrist when one of the prongs brushed against me while winding it up,” ... ... [dated] http://fox59.com/2015/04/29/indianapolis-32-million-contract-to-rent-electric-vehicles-called-into-question/ Indianapolis’ $32 million contract to rent electric vehicles called into question April 29, 2015 by Liz Gelardi ... http://www.gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?19452-Burns-on-outlet-%28picture%29 Thread: Burns on outlet (picture) 12-14-2012 ... http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/26/chevy-volts-120v-charging-cable-getting-too-hot/ Chevy Volt's 120v charging cable getting too hot? Jul 26th 2011 ... [GM sez] The condition (worn, damaged or age) of the electrical outlet in the wall is often the culprit due for the increase in temperature to the UL certified cord. If the AC wall plug feels hot while charging, then the owner should simply unplug the charge cord and have the AC wall outlet replaced by a qualified electrician ... ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1063283_got-a-2011-chevy-volt-check-your-110v-charge-cable Got a 2011 Chevy Volt? 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