Damon, That is exactly why I am teaching myself on everything I can learn about the Leaf that I think is necessary,
enjoying the fact that the service manuals are available online and knowing that Nissan cannot over-the-air botch up Leafs, since the 2G communication that they have to control the car charging and airco will stop working end this month and if you are concerned about the cellular access to the car, then you can simply grab the antenna cable behind the glove box and yank it out of the telemetrics unit. Also the weakest spot on the Leaf - the battery - appears to be reasonable good engineered to allow DIY as I have done on several of them now. The BMS is stand-alone which is a great benefit, as you can actually run battery and BMS outside of the car, even while still in the shell that Nissan put around the whole thing, only 12V is required to run the BMS and when you connect CAN bus you can use LeafSpy to log the data from the 96 cells. So that is why I am in the process of transplanting two Leaf packs + BMS into my EV truck. In case someone ever wants to give their Leaf a better battery pack, all they need is another chemistry that is happy with up to 4.15V charge and that can fit 96 series cells in the Leaf shell and be water-proofed and bolted back under the car... I am not bothered by the look of the Leaf, though I understand people who don't like the styling. I simply enjoy the instant-on torque which allows me to pull away first at a traffic light unless a real muscle car is next to me. Some people go as far as taking the Leaf drivetrain and bolting it into another body, which is another way of creating your own EV. I will soon have such a vehicle in my garage, once I get the Leaf cells hooked up in my US Electricar truck. BTW, the millions of other people's money you refer to, I presume that you talk about the deposits? Because the claims of Tesla taking billions of subsidies have already been debunked and Tesla was the first car maker to pay back their govt bail-out loans, so I think that Tesla is doing an admirable job of staying at the healthy side of financial responsibility. Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. ________________________________ From: damon henry [mailto:damonhe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:11 AM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km ts:130kph,0-100kph:11.5s Yes, there are Leafs all over the place here in Portland as well, but I'm not sure what price Nissan has paid for this. Between government subsidies and the investment that Nissan has made, I'm not sure that the Leaf or any other OEM EV has secured a viable future yet. I personally think the Leaf is hideous to look at so will not buy one. I love the idea of buying an OEM EV though. I hope I continue to see a variety available for purchase. It looks like there are a few of the new Chevy Bolts at dealerships in Portland now, so I hope to go try one out in person soon. I'm also hoping the Tesla influence pans out well. I do worry that the whole Tesla house of cards may come crumbling to the ground. So far Tesla has proven that by spending billions of other peoples dollars they can put some pretty cool cars on the road. Hopefully the investors' faith in Tesla will payoff with a whole new paradigm in the automotive industry and they will be a successful and profitable company. I spent the first 9 months of 2016 working at PGE in downtown Portland, which is one of the centers of EV everything on the west coast. I enjoyed daily seeing a variety of OEM EVs plugged into the charging stations out front. There is still not nearly the selection to choose from as there is for "normal" vehicles, but there has never been a time when you had so many to choose from. If you see something you like, you can simply write a check and it can be yours, but it still feels a bit fleeting to me. I worry that I will wake up someday in the very near future and I'll be back to having to build my own... Damon ________________________________ From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:20:51 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km ts:130kph, 0-100kph:11.5s During commute times, almost every 5th car that you see on the road in Silicon Valley is a Leaf so I'd say that for intended purpose, this is a very successful OEM car. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of damon henry via EV Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:26 AM To: Bill Dube; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km ts:130kph,0-100kph:11.5s Successful OEM electric vehicle??? Has there truly been one yet? Perhaps the Nissan Leaf, but I think the jury is still out on whether this EV thing will ever work out or not. I'm hopeful it will. As far as EVs and transmissions I agree with you that they are not generally necessary on vehicles engineered from the ground up as electric, but perhaps one will make sense in someone's engineering/cost tradeoff list. I have the original transmission in my Datsun Truck Conversion and it is quite nice, but it is there because it was free and allowed me to use a smaller motor and provides a reverse gear. On my motorcycle conversion I have a single gear ratio direct drive and that's fine too. Damon ________________________________ From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Bill Dube via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11:52 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km ts:130kph,0-100kph:11.5s CVT transmission? In an EV? Seriously? <sigh> No successful OEM electric vehicle has any sort of transmission, at least none that I am aware of. Touting a transmission on a prototype EV is a huge red flag. It shows that the design team is very inexperienced (or was overruled by management, which has the same result, unfortunately.) We can hope that the journalist that wrote the article got the facts wrong. Bill D. 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