Peri Hartman via EV <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>
September 27, 2017 at 6:33 PM
I've taken my Leaf to the dealer 3 times over 6 years - only because
the warranty required it. Since then I've had nothing except tire
rotation and washer fluid, which didn't require going to the dealer. I
hope you can encourage him to reconsider. Or, perhaps, a Bolt would be
a better choice for him.
Peri
Robert Bruninga via EV <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>
September 27, 2017 at 10:14 AM
Annapolis Maryland, the state capitol and sailing capital of the world
with hundreds of miles of million dollar waterfront has only one Nissan
dealer. He has no EV's and no interest in them. Yo have to go inland to
a middle class suburb of Washington DC to find a Nissan Delaer that sell's
leafs.
I had a friend very interested in getting a leaf, but he chickend out when
he found he would have to drive 25 miles to a Nissan dealer for all
service since the Annapolis one of course does not service them either. I
suggested EV's need only 10% of the service of an ICE and so service of
tires and wipers can be done by any dealer... but I can understand why he
was concerned..
Bob
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I asked our local Nissan dealership (Opelousus Louisiana) about looking at
a Leaf. He said that they had one a few years ago but it did not sell so
they shipped it to another dealership.
Several years ago we asked a salesman at the Ford dealership (Lafayette
Louisiana) about getting an Escape hybrid. He spent a lot of time trying
to explain why hybrid cars were a bad idea in the hot South. He pushed us
to buy an ICE Explorer so we left.
BobK
On Sep 27, 2017 5:35 AM, "Chris Tromley via EV"<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Had an interesting encounter at the Mitsubishi dealer last night. I
had been in the night before to drop of my i-MiEV to reset an errant
SRS
(airbag) light. I kindly older gent in a dealer logo shirt helped me
take care of that. Last night to pick it up the same guy came out as
I was going in, and he stopped me to ask how I liked my car. I told
him I loved it, but didn't press the issue because I wan't to get back
home.
Turns out he owns the place. He informed me (in the most friendly,
car dealer kind of way), that he refuses to sell the i-MiEV there.
The short version of his reasoning is that whenever he gets an
electric trade-in (even the Toyotas!), the batteries are toast and
they're "running on the engine only." He "just doesn't want to see
the customers get hurt." (And BTW, the only plug-ins we get here in
PA are full electric. And I'm pretty sure my i-MiEV is one of maybe 3
that he's ever seen.)
I was being as polite as possible, but I must have given him a "that
makes no sense at all' sort of expression. He then proceeded to tell
me that the Space Station has 7000 - 8000 lbs of batteries, which they
need because they "just keep going through them" - they're just not
reliable enough. He saw he was getting no traction with me so he
nicely but abruptly broke off the conversation.
Just for a giggle I googled when I got home. At
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/01/spacewalkers-
upgrading-iss-batteries/
I found that the ISS batteries are NiH2 and they're very reliable but
they're reaching the end of their lives. So they swapped some out for
lithium this year, and those have vastly improved performance and
energy density.
Is this typical of the looney-toons crapola people have to deal with
when buying an EV? Seriously - that was some truly 'out-there' BS he
was shoveling, and he did so as if it was as evident as the sky being
blue.
We humans have SO much evolving yet to do.
Chris
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Bobby Keeland via EV <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>
September 27, 2017 at 9:03 AM
I asked our local Nissan dealership (Opelousus Louisiana) about looking at
a Leaf. He said that they had one a few years ago but it did not sell so
they shipped it to another dealership.
Several years ago we asked a salesman at the Ford dealership (Lafayette
Louisiana) about getting an Escape hybrid. He spent a lot of time
trying to
explain why hybrid cars were a bad idea in the hot South. He pushed us to
buy an ICE Explorer so we left.
BobK
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Chris Tromley via EV <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>
September 27, 2017 at 6:35 AM
Had an interesting encounter at the Mitsubishi dealer last night. I had
been in the night before to drop of my i-MiEV to reset an errant SRS
(airbag) light. I kindly older gent in a dealer logo shirt helped me take
care of that. Last night to pick it up the same guy came out as I was
going in, and he stopped me to ask how I liked my car. I told him I loved
it, but didn't press the issue because I wan't to get back home.
Turns out he owns the place. He informed me (in the most friendly, car
dealer kind of way), that he refuses to sell the i-MiEV there. The short
version of his reasoning is that whenever he gets an electric trade-in
(even the Toyotas!), the batteries are toast and they're "running on the
engine only." He "just doesn't want to see the customers get hurt." (And
BTW, the only plug-ins we get here in PA are full electric. And I'm pretty
sure my i-MiEV is one of maybe 3 that he's ever seen.)
I was being as polite as possible, but I must have given him a "that makes
no sense at all' sort of expression. He then proceeded to tell me that the
Space Station has 7000 - 8000 lbs of batteries, which they need because
they "just keep going through them" - they're just not reliable enough. He
saw he was getting no traction with me so he nicely but abruptly broke off
the conversation.
Just for a giggle I googled when I got home. At
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/01/spacewalkers-upgrading-iss-batteries/
I found that the ISS batteries are NiH2 and they're very reliable but
they're reaching the end of their lives. So they swapped some out for
lithium this year, and those have vastly improved performance and energy
density.
Is this typical of the looney-toons crapola people have to deal with when
buying an EV? Seriously - that was some truly 'out-there' BS he was
shoveling, and he did so as if it was as evident as the sky being blue.
We humans have SO much evolving yet to do.
Chris
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