I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as preeminent 
battery supplier. What about BYD? Others?

- Mark

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> On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global
> population of autos. Every thing the established manufacturers do to lag
> them will benefit them.  I think it is all good for Tesla if they have less
> pressure.
> 
> Don't forget that Tesla is more or less the preeminent battery supplier.
> Tesla will eventually benefit a great deal on the battery sales front, but
> they can't keep up with their own demand yet, let alone the auto industry
> as a whole.
> 
> All in all, EV manufacturing is still NOT a zero sum game.  It is not
> engraved in stone that Tesla will survive when the ministry as a whole
> decides to go all in.  But Tesla is doing far better at scratching out a
> place for itself than was predictable.  Tesla is very disruptive, but still
> squash-able. I am very grateful for their pushing the tech forward and
> making EVs interesting.  I hope they don't get squashed before EVs are well
> established.
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>> 
>> They want to have lower emission standards on their trucks and SUVs so it
>> will lower the cost and increase profits to supplement their electric
>> vehicle programs. Same thing as a bailout. What does that do to companies
>> like Tesla.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
>>> 
>>> That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says
>> nothing about a government bailout.
>>> 
>>> So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years,
>> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game,
>> and have been investing in both types of EVs.
>>> 
>>> - Mark

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