I have to admit that we’re up in the Tualatin mountains in Oregon and while we don’t get power outages all that often, when we do, it can take a long time to get the power back on.
We have an F150 Lightning reservation. Partly because for my business (Transport Evolved) to help carry around gear and people… and partly because my wife has a woodworking shop that requires regular trips to pick up wood!. And of course, partly because we’d like to have power backup. Eventually, the F150 Lightning is hoped to work with your home to transfer power to the grid when needed, and charge up during low grid demand periods. I’m cool with that. The damage on the battery drawing a maximum of 9 kW instantaneous is far less than it would be towing 10,000 pounds every day on the freeway! > On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:01 AM, paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Well, that is a little presumptuous. I never claimed no one needed it. I > claimed it wold not be a selling point for EV's. Not enough people are in > that situation to make a difference in sales. Besides my vehicle was $78,000. > I believe a house backup system can be purchased for much less than this > amount. I admit I haven't researched the number of power outages and could be > wrong but it seems implausible to me. Rural areas probably have more outages > but then they are left likely to buy an EV for any reason. > On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 9:29:58 PM CDT, Tim Economu via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > " I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado > blew through. Not worth investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years." > > That seems like a quaint world view to me. "I don't need it so no one else > does either" . > > We have lived in rural America for the past 40 years and power is not so > consistent in a lot of places here in the US. We lose power every year > numerous times, for varying amounts of hours and days. I don't use fossil > fuels much anymore, so backup generators are not an option, and are a poor > option for those that do use fossils in my opinion. But I do have solar power > and a small battery bank, so recharging during a power outage is possible and > is necessary if we want to maintain power for water,refrigeration, > electronics, and fresh air inside our passive house. > > To have an EV that will provide not only transportation but occasional power > is not a little thing, it's huge. Especially if you can recharge during the > sunny day. To have jobsite power is even bigger. > > I do realize that it might be something that some people do not think is > worth spending money. But there are a lot of us out here that it would be > worth spending quite a lot of for that option. If it came as part of the > package, all the better. > > I happen to believe that vehicle to grid is a game changer, kind of like > Level 5 autonomy will be a game changer. > Tim Economu > Whidbey Island > > On 10/3/2021 1:07 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: >> Send EV mailing list submissions to >> ev@lists.evdl.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ev-ow...@lists.evdl.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of EV digest..." >> >> >> Also, please be careful not to append the entire digest to your reply. >> Many mail systems do this by default. Trim or delete the digest text from >> the bottom of your message, and quote only the parts to which you're >> replying. >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Include in events: "EV to power your home" (Peter VanDerWal) >> 2. Re: Include in events: "EV to power your home" (Robert Bruninga) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 16:58:46 +0000 >> From: "Peter VanDerWal" <e...@vanderwal.us> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home" >> Message-ID: <d7c9d1af998aebb412369fd130dfa...@vanderwal.us> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >>> I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew >>> through. Not worth >>> investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years. >> I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source. >> However, most people buy EVs to drive. When deciding which EV to buy, one >> that has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation >> might just be a deciding factor for many people. >> >> FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new >> subpanel with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from >> my EVs during a power outage. >> Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house >> battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs >> could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long >> enough wait out the stormy weather. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:25:42 -0400 >> From: Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home" >> Message-ID: >> <CALdCfNJnKbk8DRQo=n_xg9wmdcdgmgc0fxhq54qombuyh2n...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I believe we have discussed this and that you do have some kinda >> justification for "going off grid", but for others, it makes no economic >> sense to me.If I generate all my power, I am still perfectly happy to >> pay $8 a month for keeping the grid accouint. Kinda like >> insurance.. >> >> The last thing I want to do in life is maintain batteries for the >> rest of my life. Out of the blue I took a life changing hit in my >> health and cannot possibly maintain all the special "features" >> I have built into the house for "fun" but now, impossible to >> maintain by my wife. I am an ardent DIY guy, but now am >> a CDIMA (Cant do it myself Anymore). - Bob >> >> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 12:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV >> <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>>> I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado >>>> blew through. Not worth >>>> investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years. >>> I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power >>> source. However, most people buy EVs to drive. When deciding which EV to >>> buy, one that has the capability of powering your house in an emergency >>> situation might just be a deciding factor for many people. >>> >>> FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new >>> subpanel with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads >>> from my EVs during a power outage. >>> Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house >>> battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my >>> EVs could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than >>> long enough wait out the stormy weather. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >>> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EV@lists.evdl.org >> For general EVDL support, see http://evdl.org/help/ >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 3 >> ********************************** > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20211004/d70635d5/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
