As explained to me by L&I, general contractors are responsible for their subcontractors, with respect to L&I, regardless of they have employees or not. Otherwise, assuming no employees, there is no responsibility to L&I.
Regardless, permits and code compliance have nothing to do with L&I. L&I is about worker safety, not work quality. Home owners are never subject to L&I unless they opt in. Construction inspectors, including electrical, are a whole different category. No one is exempt from them. Peri ________________________________ From: Roger Daisley <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2025 17:20 To: Peri Hartman Cc: evdl; [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dumped by two solar providers. Your beliefs are not correct, except "some forms to fill out." LOL In electrical work, everyone, including homeowners are subject to L&I overview. (Permits, inspections, code compliance, etc.) You can't just "pretend" to be training a person and not expect to get hammered. Those days are long gone. On Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 10:58 PM Peri Hartman <[email protected]> wrote: > > I believe, in Washington, volunteers are not subject to L&I. At least, this > was true a few years ago when i directly asked them. I used some volunteers > for demolition and minor construction. > > However, it is true that only a home owner or licensed electrician or people > working under direct supervision of someone licensed are allowed to do > electrical work. > > There is a nuance here: i think volunteers would be acceptable as long as the > journeyman is on site while they are working. I asked the inspector once > about me (owner) doing electrical under supervision of an electrician, and > that was acceptable. Not exactly the same as a volunteer, though. > > If that isn't true, another approach would be to register them as > in-training. I don't think you need any classroom work to get that started. > Probably some forms to to fill out though. And the hours would legitimately > count towards becoming journeymen. > > Peri > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Daisley via EV <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2025 01:05 > To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dumped by two solar providers. > > That would be a big code violation and likely a very big fine by L&I in > Washington State. In WA, your volunteers can not even mount racking, even > with a Journeyman electrician "supervising." (Racking is considered > "electrical equipment.") > If a volunteer even so much as touched a wire, L&I would probably go for the > Death Penalty ... After they drained their bank account! If a licensed > electrician was on-site and helped in any way, he/she would also likely get > their bank account substantially lowered. > -----Original Message----- > From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 7:11 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: Cor van de Water <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dumped by two solar providers. > Hi Lawrence, > The non-profit Sunwork.org specifically targets the solar installations for > people that have too small energy bills to be interesting for the big > installers. > Not sure if they will do installs in the city, most of their projects are > around the south bay area, but it can't hurt to ask them. > Their model is that you buy the system outright, they charge their cost while > their manhours are reduced by doing the install with volunteers, supervised > by one of their staff, who also does the design, permitting and signoff. > Full disclosure: I am a volunteer solar installer, trained by Sunwork and > participated in several of their local installations. > Cor. > On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > First Solarsesame backed out. Then Tesla did. The Tesla reason was we > > didn't have the room for 10 panels. Who can do a challenging installation > > for a good price using permits. I just got hit by State Farm just for > > having a messy yard and storing wood under a staircase. 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