There is a reason many EV lists *forbid* the discussion of Hydrogen (fool cells) as those tend to attract the people reading the propaganda and riling up those who understand physics.
To give just a thought to the claim of a "hydrogen powered" vehicle that runs "only on water" - it is neither run on hydrogen, nor powered by water. What is physically possible and what is probably shining through the misunderstanding of either reporter or reader, is that you can make a vehicle that does not require to be filled with H2, but that can use onboard water, plug into an electrical outlet and use and also onboard electrolyser (potentially the fool cell in reverse) to generate Hydrogen gas, use more electricity to compress that gas into an onboard storage tank - instead of refueling - and when the vehicle needs to drive, use that H2 storage to power the fool cell to regain the electricity and recharge the onboard battery (which is always required to provide the peak draw while the fool cell generates a steady stream of electric energy) and for the rest - the H2 car is just an EV with a lot of extra bolted on to make it convert H2 to electricity. The grand effect of all this is that you now have an EV that charges from the wall outlet, but consumes at least 3x the amount of energy to drive a certain distance, because the diversion from electric to H2, compression and again conversion of H2 to electric power loses about 2/3 of the energy put in. So, if you want a 300 mile range with a regular EV that has an efficiency of 3mi/kWh then you need 100kWh from the wall. Doing the same thing with the above car, you need 300 kWh from the wall, so you are paying 3 times as much to get the same range as using a pure battery EV. The only difference is that the H2 car can have a smallish battery due to the onboard fool cell generator continuously recharging the small battery, instead of needing a 100kWh battery. Instead you have a complex system of electrolyser, high pressure H2 resistance vessels and pumps and a fool cell that requires regular replacement and is NOT cheap, in addition to triple fuel costs. In most of California, the residential electricity price is so high that despite the efficiency of an EV, it is on par or even slightly higher in fuel cost than driving a Prius and paying $5/gal for gas. With the H2 car that can "recharge" off a wall outlet as I outlined above, you will pay 3 times or more the fuel cost compared to a Prius. Where recharging an EV on a typical 6kW charging station takes you 17 hours for a complete charge of a 100kWh battery, the H2 car will take 50 hours of charging at the same L2 charger. Cor. On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 3:32 PM Evan Tuer via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here's a throwback. Stellantis patented "windmill on the hood" ! > https://youtu.be/fKpMDb1VLu0 > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 7:33 PM Lee Hart via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Gail Donaldson Lucas wrote: > > > David, I am laughing remembering the generator on the wheel > > > and the windmill on hood. There was a plan for running on water > > > too, wish I had saved all that valuable info. > > Ya hey sure ya betcha! > > > > Why, I remember a guy that put a generator on the wheel of his EV, and > > drove it all the way from Concocha to Paramonga in Peru (117 km or 72 > > miles), and arrived with *more* charge in his EV than when he left. > > ('Course, it was all downhill...) > > > > And there's this guy that built the Blackbird that is like, totally > > wind-powered. It can go *faster* than the wind is blowing, ya! (OK, so it's > > more like a sailboat on wheels; but it works...) > > > > Don't forget them solar raycers. They can go 60 mph powered by nothing but > > pure sunlight. (Course, they's more like bicycles than cars.) > > > > Then NASA has been using nickel-hydrogen batteries to power their > > spacecraft since the 1970's. When charged, they make hydrogen and oxygen. > > When discharged, they use the hydrogen and oxygen to make electricity. > > > > --If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called "research", would > > it? -- Albert Einstein > > -- > > Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to [email protected] > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20250616/f09bd870/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
