Hmmmm... I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:
*As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the system should proceed?* Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene this dialogue? Thank you! John *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 [email protected] <[email protected]> On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Harrison, > On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote: > > My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with their > primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try to organize > them. > > Yes I agree > > I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be to watch > the system closely and be supportive of system changes/adaptations that are > emerging and are positive. This would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of > where and how the system should proceed. > > Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide "where and > how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial Intelligence are > blowing > > The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the wind. Good > sailors ride the winds that blow. > > Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial Intelligence > and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism literally means > human-centered, but in its most relevant philosophical form, it is *the > ethical belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." > Carol Sandford, The Modern Anthropocentrism, > https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism Today's > Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor. > > In Solidarity, > Tony > > > Harrison > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread. Of course, I >> agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as well. Yet how can social >> self-organizing do more? >> More Fun - Less Stuff, >> Tony >> >> Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate to OST. MY >> experience is that it has spread globally in the most effective way -- self >> organizing networks. And I am not at all sure what we might have done >> differently. Lazy, I guess, but when something spreads to all continents >> with millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship. sounds good >> to me. >> >> Harrison >> >> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change when it comes >>> to building emerging networks of 8,000,000 people. >>> >>> Social science research on networks suggests that current OST practices >>> are not effective in increasing the rate of OST usage. To improve the >>> uptake and utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a more >>> network-informed approach to delivering OST. You can learn more about this >>> by watching Damon Centola's talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8. >>> On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me via OSList wrote: >>> >>> Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you! >>> >>> Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal >>> >>> >>> Artur >>> >>> *----------------------------------------* >>> *De :* Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <[email protected]> >>> *À :* Budak, Tony <[email protected]>; OS LIST <[email protected]> >>> *Envoyé :* jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1 >>> *Objet :* [OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & >>> Behavior Change >>> >>> Dear Tony, >>> >>> ok, here is one OST worker with an answer: >>> >>> OST has nothing to do with "achieving change". >>> However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things >>> happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even >>> without an OST gathering. >>> The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on >>> the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of >>> selforganisation to unfold a bit more. >>> Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for >>> selforganistion to show up a bit more. >>> >>> Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all >>> issues can be addressed, worked on and if given enough time also can >>> lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise. >>> Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things >>> can happen that nobody ever dreamed of. >>> >>> Have a great day >>> Greetings from Berlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> -- >>> Click HERE to Contact Tony >>> <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> >>> >>> More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: >>> Until next time, Tony Budak, >>> on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: >>> >>> P.S. 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Become a Member top left and or >> Record your unpaid work time to get >> valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. >> <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > -- > Click HERE to Contact Tony > <https://pickatime.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php> > > More Fun, Less Stuff :joy: > Until next time, Tony Budak, > on behalf of our Learning Network :thinking: > > P.S. Become a Member top left and or > Record your unpaid work time to get > valuable - spendable Learning Time Credits. > <https://hourworld.org/bank/?hw=1968> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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