Dear Stathis, For an alternative approach to dualism see:
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/pratt95rational.html Kindest regards, Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: RE: dualism > On 17 January 2004 Doug Porpora wrote: > > *quote* > Norman and Bruno: I myself am not defending a dualist position (body + > soul, mind, whatever). I am prepared to say the body is the only substance > that exists. That does not mean its behavior is explainable in terms of > physics alone. > > Yes, I would say that whenever we think anything, our brains are doing > something. It may just be though -- and i think it is -- that our brains > give us the capacity to engage in linguistic behavior that is itself > non-physical. Whether an idea is logical or illogical, whether it is > relevant or off the point, whether or not an essay is disorganized -- these > are not physical properties. I cannot even fathom what it would mean to > say there is a physical state that is the irrelevance of a point. > *end quote* > > I don't see how anyone could seriously suggest that a physical description > of the brain is the "same thing" as the subjective experience arising from > that brain state, and I don't think that denying this alone makes one a > dualist. My idea of a dualist is someone who claims that there is a > mystical, non-physical something-or-other, distinct from the brain although > perhaps residing in it, which is responsible for some or all our (more > noble, usually) thoughts and feelings. This (implicit) belief appears to be > surprisingly widespread among laypeople, as I have occasion to discover in > my work talking to patients with severe psychotic illnesses, such as > schizophrenia. They refuse to take medication because, they argue, how can > chemical changes in the brain possibly have any bearing on their thoughts > and feelings? "I now know it was silly to believe that my family had been > replaced by aliens, doctor, because I have thought about it rationally - not > because of the medication they gave me in hospital. If the chemical > imbalance in my brain comes back, as you say, it won't make me believe those > things again because I know they aren't true. And anyway, if I did believe > something weird, I wouldn't stop believing it just because of some > medication". So they stop treatment, and are soon back in hospital with > exactly the same symptoms. I have sometimes wondered whether pre-existing > familiarity with the mind/body debate would make any difference to a > patient's prognosis: there's a novel use for philosophy! > > Stathis Papaioannou > Melbourne, Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > >