Dear John,
Perhaps if you could answer just this question of Brent's, neither a straw man nor personal abuse: "Do you consider all belief systems to be equal? If not what makes one better than another? Stathis Papaioannou ________________________________ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Evil ? > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:41:55 -0500 > > Dear Brent, > I value many of your posts higher than continue this exchange which starts to > turn strawmannishly ad personam. > I wanted to continue, but deleted my post before sending. > I do not promise NOT to reflect to your posts in other matters, but what this > developed into is - as it marks - "Evil". > With best regards your voodoo expert > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brent Meeker<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: Evil ? > John M wrote: > > Brent, > > sorry if I irritated you - that is felt in your response. > > ---------------------- > > You remarked: > > (>"> Upon your: > > > "...an unbiased sample, of the available evidence? " is showing. > > - Who is unbiased? )"< > > You don't have to decide who's unbiased. > > JM: > > My question meant: NOBODY is unbiased. Not you, not me, whoever 'thinks' > > has some position which is hard to overcome. > Why should everyone "overcome" their position. > > In the continuation I would appreciate to substitute your "opinion" word > > by "belief system" - scientific or religious. > > ----------------- > > " Is there no reason to prefer science to voodoo?" > > Ask a voodoo official. > I'm asking you. > >A friend was raised by nuns in Chile and asked > > "I was thinking..." whereupon the nun - educatrix shouted her down: "you > > should not "think" you should "believe". (Have you ever believed a > > science-book? Say: stories told by your college-professor? ) > No. And if you ask a scientist if he believes some theory you'll either get > a funny look or an exposition on the evidence for and against. > > You cannot exclude in reasonable discussions the religious vast majority > > of humanity, - talking about a handful of 'free thinking' > > fundamentalists (science-crazed people) is a vaste of time. > They are not "a vast majority" in most of Europe. So it is quite possible > for there to be non-religious societies. > >In our > > western 'culture' the science-belief system is comparable mutatis > > mutandis with the religious one - noting some differences WHAT > > conditions are set for accepting an evidence (=truth). > And is that difference unimportant? Do you consider all belief-systems to be > equal? If not, what makes one better than another? > > -------- > > Your: "???" - look in your text for "imply". > > -------------- > > Your par: "What's your evidence for that? ..." > > You can pick the religious old, I can pkick the others, and tjhose who > > changed (or abandoned at all) religions. I was referring to a "pristine > > faith" of the young. The official religion of a country is politics. I > > don't know about your statistical figures, but social (marital?) > > pressure keeps lots of people as churchgoers from the many millions that > > don't go. Even in countries of an 'official' state-religion. > > -------- > > Finally: > > "... in fact they all claim that they are immune from test. This is > > where they fail in their epistemological duty." > > > > You mean the epistemological duty YOU impose? They simply claim to be > > immune from YOUR test, they have their own 'test' and 'evidence'. > > That was my point. > I think humans valuing knowledge is as fundamental as their valuing food and > sex. So there is a recognized epistemological duty. Everyone, in every > culture, is contemptuous of the fool and a fool is someone who readily adopts > false beliefs. > Brent Meeker > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 > _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
